Old school genetics, afghanis and indica

psychadelibud

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I am good on the roadkill terps, luckily we have the old KY RKS here. It is getting very scarce and it is not "all over the bluegrass state and North Eastern TN" like it once was. The same old commercial growers around today are mostly the same ones that were growing, back in the day. No one really fools with it much anymore due to newer hybrids and other flavors that folks around here are after, it is not seeked out when you actually have it locally as it is when ya don't. Yes, we are actually used to that flavor. But it started dying away from the commercial outdoor scene around 2012, most people honestly stopped growing it due to its extreme odor, it was/is a LEO magnet 100%... There is absolutely no carbon filter on the planet to contain the pungency it releases, completely. The last 2 weeks of flower, Jesus... it reeks like you would never believe!

Funny thing is lol.... Now that all the people got the newer, tasty, trendy hype type hybrids, guess what? I am hearing more and more people around here wishing it was abundant like it once was. But here's the thing... I personally know ONE old school commercial grower (not so much anymore though due to poor health), that still has the cuts and the beans... Those who chose to grow it indoors back in the day, knew right off the bat they were risking their freedom, it was like playing Russian roulette. You either won, or you lost and your chances were always low unless you had a very secluded, sophisticated setup. This old man never grew it indoors, he does house his cuttings and mothers indoors, he played it smart, but he supplied a lot of those who did run indoor ops with it. Point is, very few people still have it currently and the only time you will ever really see it is after outdoor harvest season (between November and Feburary). I was never one of those people that got tired of the Skunk, I had been enthused with it ever since started getting into growing as a teenager 18 years ago. Its absolutely my favorite strain and always will hold a special place in my heart. The stone is to die for, heavy punch right in the face and eyes, you can actually feel it crawl and tingle down the neck and into the back and chest... Very uplifting but chink eye punch, that will get your eyes redder than any other strain on the planet. The taste is like the smell, straight fleshy skunk spray that will sting your nose and burn the eyes...

It had always been more of an outdoor runner around here, it is suited perfectly for the outdoors, however it does not finish too early. I have actually ran it into the first week in October. Resistance to mold is excellent, insects do not care for it either. Hollow stems and stalks yet very hardy on the outside of the stems. Really tough plants that can take a damn beating...

One thing I would like to note, is that I see a lot of people on search of a roadkill pheno looking for skunk on a stem rub... Honestly the roadkill skunk we have does not have that skunk spray smell on a stem rub. So maybe so many people should not call a seed hunt off due to that. It actually has a kinda spicy, fruity, light skunky citric type stem run nose hit. But it's funny because there is absolutely ZERO citrus odor in the flower, no sweetness period. It's exactly what you would think roadkill skunk smells like. Actually it's more like just straight skunk spray... Exactly like you are driving down the backroads on a hot humid summer night and you drive through a skunk orgy. Lol. For real it's like getting sprayed right in the face by a skunk, don't ever doubt it.

I have heard a few people around here say they can sorta pick up a burning wire type smell in the background, but its roadkill 100%. I would love to continue explaining it but this is not a road kill thread and i most definitely do not want it to turn into one... There is thread started a while back by me called "The future holds bright light", that's where we can talk roadkill. Tells the story as well why my skunk project got all fucked up and I am having to restart with it. I have not even got the seeds back yet, hoping by the end of this month I'll have them again. But it will be soon.




Now, onto the old school strains and old afghanis...

Does anyone know where I can find the old school Four Way? That was a killer we ran around here back in late 90s/early 2ks. Amazing producer and killed it outdoors.

And what about this place linked through the Reeferman seeds site? Called "Old School Breeders Association " OSBA I believe is what it's called. Is reeferman legit? Don't know much about him but offers very nice landrace and crosses on his old school selections.
I have to edit this, and I do not see no option now to edit. But when I said I have ran it late outdoors, I didn't mean into the first week of October... I meant the first week of November. It will finish between October 28th and November 9th depending on growing conditions and location.
 

rollinfunk

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VA boy here. I have a pack of fourora borealis (95 fairfax, VA 4-way x NL#1) by Coastal Seeds. The mom is prob the same 4-way you had back in the day. My buddy used to get it back in the 90s when I lived in VA. Not sure if there are any left, but Mr. Bobhemphil still has the cut (pretty sure) and is making crosses with it.
 

psychadelibud

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VA boy here. I have a pack of fourora borealis (95 fairfax, VA 4-way x NL#1) by Coastal Seeds. The mom is prob the same 4-way you had back in the day. My buddy used to get it back in the 90s when I lived in VA. Not sure if there are any left, but Mr. Bobhemphil still has the cut (pretty sure) and is making crosses with it.
Awesome man, I consider you very lucky to have got those beans! I did check Bob's seeds, you're right. He is sold out. Hopefully he will get more in soon, that fourway is one I will never forget... The commercial potential outdoors with 4 way is insane, ginormous yields of super potent skunky bud with pretty damn good resistance to the harsh outdoor environment.

I will check coastal's stuff but lately I have seen almost everything they offer as being sold out as well. The old Puck Yeah would be another nice one to add to my collection. If I had known what I know now, way back in the day when we had all these old school elite sensi, sacred and sssc keepers, I would most definitely been trying to preserve them. At least I have the old RKS still around and can still get some good old school Northern Light cuts around here too.
 

psychadelibud

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There is one old timer around here that grows himself and sales. I have no idea what strain he has, he has had this same cut for the last 12 to 15 years it seems and it is some fire. The buds are lime mint green, like very bright green, a little orange hair and yellowish calyxes. Dense yet fluffy spongy type nuggets... You would look at an 8th of it in a bag and think you had a quarter. I have a friend that goes and sees him quiet often, may try and get him to do some questioning on what strain it is... Never seen anything that even closely resembles it.

It has to be some pungent shit during flower because the odor is what I love best about it. It's a sour type smell, not dieselish sour but earthy sour, with a cat piss smell and a bit of baby poo mixed in with it. The high is intense, hits you right in the head followed by a tingly body high that can leave you floating for a good 2 hours...


The closest I have seen in description by doing online research, is it kinda sounds like what Atomic Northern Lights is described as. I have never grown Dr. Atomics NL but I have heard good things about it, and I would bet that his NL has been around since way back when.

Does anyone have any experience with Atomic NL? Does it sound anything like what I described? Might grab a pack of it someday and try it out.

I will say this.... I think I have found an elite clone, that may have potential to get into the spot light. I'm not completely sure yet, but I finally crawled back into the rear end of my flower room to check things out and one of the seeds I popped after my last harvest of Crumbled Lime by Karma has turned into something I never imagined she would. I am one lucky SOB, this girl REEKS of a mixture of sour fuels... No sweetness, just straight fresh fuel, from diesel, to jet fuel, to high octane race gasoline, with a sickening chemical background, as well. I am gonna have to get some pictures of this gal, she is frosty out the ass and kinda resembles Rez's old sour diesel in looks. Long ass heavy drenched in resin lime mint green arm buds mixed with some very dark hues of green. I'm telling y'all this one is a keeper... I can only imagine the high she will pack, wish there was a way I could get her tested.

I have grown Corey stardawg, ecsd, sour diesel, chem 4, chem d, the chem 91 jb cut, a plant known as mystery chem, lots of OG's and several other chem and diesel based strains and I put it on the good book that none of them compared to the stench this girl has... But you wouldn't think it would come out of the crumbled lime... I looked back into the genetics of crumbled lime and a few generations back, rez's sour diesel ibl is in it. Maybe she evolved from this, idk but I could not be any happier with it so far!
 
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psychadelibud

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VA boy here. I have a pack of fourora borealis (95 fairfax, VA 4-way x NL#1) by Coastal Seeds. The mom is prob the same 4-way you had back in the day. My buddy used to get it back in the 90s when I lived in VA. Not sure if there are any left, but Mr. Bobhemphil still has the cut (pretty sure) and is making crosses with it.
Did you ever grow our that Fourora Borealis yet? If so, how'd it turn out for you? Any Fairfax leaners? I just got 3 packs straight from Kagyu in a trade.
 

conor c

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Id give afghaan 90s a whirl from kwikseeds/realseedcompany or any of there ghanis tbh if its older type afghanis u after on a other note id look at bodhi seeds for many crosses too as well as for sensi there afghani 1 aint great there hindus still good as is there sensi skunk and maple leaf indica those ones still worth doing from them
 

rollinfunk

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Did you ever grow our that Fourora Borealis yet? If so, how'd it turn out for you? Any Fairfax leaners? I just got 3 packs straight from Kagyu in a trade.
Not yet, they are still in the fridge. I've been going through freebies as it took me a long time to get rid of gnats (over a year) and I may be moving soon.
 

jimihendrix1

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AKBeanBrains. Hes also got pure NL1, N5, and Black Domina crosses. And others.

Bob Hemphill/aka Cricketts, and Cicada Seeds is getting ready to make a drop of Puck Hashplant crosses. Puck is aka Skelly Hashplant. The original genetics are PNW Hashplant x NL1 x PNWHP/NL1 Male backcross into the mother PNWHP. Nevil made the original cross, and Bob has further refined the breeding to make the cross 92%-93% Puck HP. Called Puck HP BC2
The original Puck cut clone only is from 1989 from Nevils Hashplant seeds.

He will have
Puck HP BC2
Sensi Star Puck HP BC1,
Nepali x Puck HP,
Red Lebanese x Puck HP.
If you want powerful Indica, dont let these slip by.
You can follow him on Instagram, and he will soon announce the drop.
Follow these 2 links to keep up.

Crickets And Cicada Seeds

@hannahboldt and @mrbobhemphill



The drop has not happened yet. We are working as fast as we can. When they do drop they will be available only through our trusted vendors.
@jbcseedbank
@labyrinthseeds
@regenerativeseedco
#SeedsHereNow
@speakeasyseedbank
@theseedsource1.2
 

Coldnasty

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AKBeanBrains. Hes also got pure NL1, N5, and Black Domina crosses. And others.

Bob Hemphill/aka Cricketts, and Cicada Seeds is getting ready to make a drop of Puck Hashplant crosses. Puck is aka Skelly Hashplant. The original genetics are PNW Hashplant x NL1 x PNWHP/NL1 Male backcross into the mother PNWHP. Nevil made the original cross, and Bob has further refined the breeding to make the cross 92%-93% Puck HP. Called Puck HP BC2
The original Puck cut clone only is from 1989 from Nevils Hashplant seeds.

He will have
Puck HP BC2
Sensi Star Puck HP BC1,
Nepali x Puck HP,
Red Lebanese x Puck HP.
If you want powerful Indica, dont let these slip by.
You can follow him on Instagram, and he will soon announce the drop.
Follow these 2 links to keep up.

Crickets And Cicada Seeds

@hannahboldt and @mrbobhemphill



The drop has not happened yet. We are working as fast as we can. When they do drop they will be available only through our trusted vendors.
@jbcseedbank
@labyrinthseeds
@regenerativeseedco
#SeedsHereNow
@speakeasyseedbank
@theseedsource1.2
Ohhhhhh man. That sensi star Puck HP bc got my mouth watering……..
 

bodhipop

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Crickets and Cicadas will also release PNW Hashplant x Puck HP along w/ what @jimihendrix1 listed - he said this one will put you to sleep.
Hemphill recently said the Puck HP BC2 and Sensi Star x Puck cross are the "strongest". One nepalese pheno smelled of old school dank herb w/ some grapes, another smelled of a strong chemical industrial solvent. Red Lebanese Puck cross pheno smelled complex - Grapes, tootsie rolls, rose.
 

Learning1234

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Trying not to buy seeds, but that PNW Hashplant x Puck HP has me super interested. Darn. Look forward to some reports on this release regardless. I need/want the most couch lock put you to sleep seeds I can get my hands on. This seems spot on to what I’m looking for.
 

MichaelColeman

New Member
There is one old timer around here that grows himself and sales. I have no idea what strain he has, he has had this same cut for the last 12 to 15 years it seems and it is some fire. The buds are lime mint green, like very bright green, a little orange hair and yellowish calyxes. Dense yet fluffy spongy type nuggets... You would look at an 8th of it in a bag and think you had a quarter. I have a friend that goes and sees him quiet often, may try and get him to do some questioning on what strain it is... Never seen anything that even closely resembles it.

It has to be some pungent shit during flower because the odor is what I love best about it. It's a sour type smell, not dieselish sour but earthy sour, with a cat piss smell and a bit of baby poo mixed in with it. The high is intense, hits you right in the head followed by a tingly body high that can leave you floating for a good 2 hours...


The closest I have seen in description by doing online research, is it kinda sounds like what Atomic Northern Lights is described as. I have never grown Dr. Atomics NL but I have heard good things about it, and I would bet that his NL has been around since way back when.

Does anyone have any experience with Atomic NL? Does it sound anything like what I described? Might grab a pack of it someday and try it out.

I will say this.... I think I have found an elite clone, that may have potential to get into the spot light. I'm not completely sure yet, but I finally crawled back into the rear end of my flower room to check things out and one of the seeds I popped after my last harvest of Crumbled Lime by Karma has turned into something I never imagined she would. I am one lucky SOB, this girl REEKS of a mixture of sour fuels... No sweetness, just straight fresh fuel, from diesel, to jet fuel, to high octane race gasoline, with a sickening chemical background, as well. I am gonna have to get some pictures of this gal, she is frosty out the ass and kinda resembles Rez's old sour diesel in looks. Long ass heavy drenched in resin lime mint green arm buds mixed with some very dark hues of green. I read about a similar thing in an article https://artscolumbia.org/free-essays/sociological-imagination/ about sociological imagination on a resource with free essay samples. I'm telling y'all this one is a keeper... I can only imagine the high she will pack, wish there was a way I could get her tested.

I have grown Corey stardawg, ecsd, sour diesel, chem 4, chem d, the chem 91 jb cut, a plant known as mystery chem, lots of OG's and several other chem and diesel based strains and I put it on the good book that none of them compared to the stench this girl has... But you wouldn't think it would come out of the crumbled lime... I looked back into the genetics of crumbled lime and a few generations back, rez's sour diesel ibl is in it. Maybe she evolved from this, idk but I could not be any happier with it so far!
Buddy, that's a very interesting story, thanks for sharing.
 

conor c

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Idk about shiva shanti 1 now but the garlic pheno was pretty nice years ago i know not all there strains are the same but i can vouch for there hindu still being good anyone on here ran shiva recently?
 

Giggsy70

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I am running Strayfox's pre 98 Bubba kush/Alien rift x purple Kandahar. Will be flipping to 11:13 Nov 1st. There's one that if it's a He I might let him do his thing and make f2's to hunt through.
 

conor c

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Regarding heirlooms afghanis included another reliable sites seedheaven in Denmark they got the likes of derg corra collective bald man etc plenty of heirlooms and stuff they got a helmand thats decent as well as crosses plus a good old Afghan strain viking as well thats a good one especially for outdoors tho it can be done inside as well thats got solid purple phenos in it as well case thats yer thing too

 

Garlic Bud expert

Active Member
Who is producing the best old school strains, specifically afghani crosses with some old school stench. Already have a few orders from Dominion, I know Duke focuses on old school genetics quiet often.

I am looking for those fast outdoor squat stanky garlic, onion, sweet dirty feet, skunk, hash earth indicas. Back in the day, actually in the early 2ks, a few of us went in together and had great luck with a large sensi seed order, they have tons of afghani and skunk crosses. How are they today? Still producing the good stuff they did back in the day? Also, thinking about trying out that shiva shanti again, we seen tons of garlic bud phenos come out of that one.

I wanna go old school in my guerilla run this year, need all the info I can possibly get. Yes I have been doing my own research as well but i want your opinions too..

Go..
I've got Garlic Bud seeds. I've added some great strains to it the past 4 years.

A skunky male Heirloom Afghani
MOB Acapulco Gold x Bandaid Haze 3.0
Tirah Valley Kush.
Hawaiian Sativa

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I'm doing a F2 from a Garlic bud clone and a male Gold Haze

I have seeds of both. If this turns out great then F1s will be made again from both seeds this time.

The Garlic bud clone was a RKS in cure only. Never tasted skunk. It's an old cut saved by me. The comment above is right. Many skunks do release its scent at the last weeks of flowering.

Just had one on a Washington Skunk.
Smelled like crap all season. It's name was crap smell. The buds were round, it was a runt. But the last weeks, a 21 year old got skunked. Snapped their neck back and said what's that
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Skunk is still alive and I'm creating new skunks as well. Garghani just gave me a skunk phenotype.

D always told me you cross a Skunk to Garlic bud you'll get a skunk. He was right. The male skunky Afghani proved to be valuable in creating Skunk genetics again.

I'm also growing Washington Skunk x Uncle Festers Skunk 18 plants for F2 seeds. 20240316_144141.jpg
 
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