Yup "another" electric bill thread

[laundrybag]

hi everyone!
just thought i'd make my first post about electric bills
since i been lurking for about 2 weeks and have seen how you like them so much

anyway...
can a HID light be dimmed with a dimmer switch?

if yes is there some sort of electronic dimmer that can be set to increase
the voltage over, oh, maybe an hour

that way people won't have to be worried about the sudden spike associated
with the 12/12 light cycle?

or maybe the ballast has to put out full volts to start the lamp??????
if yes would said electronic dimmer be able to be set to
turn on at full volts to start the lamp then suddenly bring the volts down
then over the next hour bring the light to full power

is there even such a thing as "electronic dimmers"

HAHA did you guys come in here mad as hell about
another electric bill only to find i wasn't as bad as some of the others

 

[pppfemguy]

hi everyone!
just thought i'd make my first post about electric bills
since i been lurking for about 2 weeks and have seen how you like them so much

anyway...
can a HID light be dimmed with a dimmer switch?

if yes is there some sort of electronic dimmer that can be set to increase
the voltage over, oh, maybe an hour

that way people won't have to be worried about the sudden spike associated
with the 12/12 light cycle?

or maybe the ballast has to put out full volts to start the lamp??????
if yes would said electronic dimmer be able to be set to
turn on at full volts to start the lamp then suddenly bring the volts down
then over the next hour bring the light to full power

is there even such a thing as "electronic dimmers"

HAHA did you guys come in here mad as hell about
another electric bill only to find i wasn't as bad as some of the others

its pretty much the same thing every1 else asks dude sorry but i run 1000 watt ballast and i dont see much difference in my electric bill but when im not using some thing i will unplug it cuz even if something aint powered on but its plugged in it still uses power so thats one of the little things u can do to help with the electric bill when ur trying to grow with alot of lights

 

[laundrybag]

i'm not worried about my bill

i just thought if it might be possible to GRADUALLY get yer lights up to full power it would not create the "spike" in the bill

i mentioned the 12/12 cycle
maybe i should have been more specific

what i meant was for those that are freaked out about the new meters that
supposedly can show the "daily,hourly,minute" use of power

 

[hom36rown]

I wouldnt worry about it unless you have huge operation

 

[assrabbi]

If someone was looking at how and when I was using MY (I paid for it) electricity. I would be pissed, I know these new meters show that kind of info but its not for the purpose of, seeing if peoples energy spike on a 12/12 schedule. Probably more like a better way to BILL people for usuage, or to determine what to ration to what areas, depending on usage (how much and when). You get what I'm saying, theyre just to help save energy/save money. No one is watching anyones electric usuage, except for when they want to bill you. MAYBE in a federal case or outstanding circumstances those fat fed piggies could subpoena ones electric bill to use against them in court. But not on us underlings, just someone who would be runnin some major shit, or got on the wrong end of the DEA. anyway I'm pretty sure you cant dim a ballast, maybe on a digi with some majorly advanced electronic knowledge...any way... if you grow read this...Drug Enforcement Agency and Illegal Subpoenas...not just about hydro growers, but anyone who purchases LEGAL supplies from their hydro store.

 

[laundrybag]

comme on guys.....
these are our fellow tokers
it seems alot of them are stressed about this

i can see where some may get annoyed because i used to
be a moderator at a gaming forum for the hacking section
and there were alot of stupid questions
but this is real life with some very real consequences
it's just an idea i had to help relieve some of them of their paranoia

i think i would have to agree with some of you that say.....
"don't worry about it"

the part i don't agree with is......
in my opinion i would say "don't lose sleep over it but,
keep it in mind INCASE leo DOES turn their attention towords you"

i have seen it said....
"they ONLY get the records as one of the steps to obtaining a warrent"

now it seems to me that this falls into the catagory of advice such as
"don't throw grow supplies into yer household trash"

granted.... "adjusting" yer electrical useage with those new meters
would be alot harder then "adjusting" where you dispose of yer trash

all i'm saying is it's worth looking into or giving some thought

because anything we can do to make that warrent harder to get is worth it
am i wrong???????

also thanks for yer time reading sort-of long posts

 

[assrabbi]

Thats the point, there is no point to this. It is way off base, it's a paranoid dillusion on the level of, 'how can we protect ourselves from cops driving around with IR cameras'. But worse, its not 'don't worry about it', It's kind of on the level of manufacturing things that could possibly get the cops on your ass. If its of that much interest to you laundry, be sure that you are shielded from IR scans, but for real make sure you got carbon scrubbers. The biggest enemies to anyones grow IMO are, cfls, loud mouth friends, and smell. I'm sure there are others but those are probably the big three that can bring down a grow.peaces.

btw, I said cfls cause I just got my 600w digi hps/mh suckass. w00t

and they would be WAYYY overstepping their bounds to use ELECTRICITY USAGE in court (even though I did mention it being used) I guess its possible, but so many holes could be poked in it. So many excuses, and since when is it illegal to use electricity. First they would need a warrant for that info, and once they had it I'm sure it would do little good.

REALITY-CHECK OUT HOW THE DEA IS REALLY RAPING HARDWORKING AMERICANS> http://www.apfn.org/thewinds/1997/11/hydroponics.html

 

[laundrybag]

manufacturing things that could possibly get the cops on your ass.

i have no idea what you mean there ---- some of the people worring about the new meters is going to somehow magically put the cops on their ass?????

If its of that much interest to you laundry, be sure that you are shielded from IR scans,

i'll be sure to get right on that, just let me go get my "aluminum foil hat" first

but for real make sure you got carbon scrubbers. The biggest enemies to anyones grow IMO are, cfls, loud mouth friends, and smell. I'm sure there are others but those are probably the big three that can bring down a grow.

i agree about the scrubbers, that should be a concern for every grow
highly disagree about "loud mouth friends"
i'm sure you meant "loud mouth growers" that brag about or allow others to see their grow
ok ok.....
i'll let you throw in the CFL
cuz i've read that they are not good for flowering
so we'll call that an "enemy" to a grow

Thats the point, there is no point to this.

i don't think you are grasping what i'm saying, so how can you say there is no point
---i'm not trying to cut you down by that statement---

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i'll try one more time

-----everyone wants the best yield they can get-----
they tweak their grow
this is done by lights, nutes, strain.....
the list goes on until you get to the end where you find CO2
atleast thats what i've read on some FAQ's....
"tweak all yer tweaks the best you can before entering CO2 into yer equation"


-----everyone wants the best security for their grow-----
they tweak their actions and the PLACE where the grow is
this is done by keeping their mouth shut, IR / FLIR protection, odor control.....
why can't this list go on until you get "protection" from the new meters at the end
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i don't really feel like going on about this
i never intended for it to be streched out like this
it was just a quick idea i had that i wasn't even sure was possible

can we leave this open now so that maybe someone with some
Technical / Electrical knowledge can happen along and hopefully we can get an answer to my question
which was would it be somehow possible to "ramp up" a HID light to full power over a certain amount of time, like maybe an hour

Thank you

 

[assrabbi]

wow, why do you need protection from the new meters? all theyre there for are to make the electric company more cost effective and efficent, not to monitor the energy consumption habits of their customers. HID lights take a few minutes to power up anyway. What would doing it over an hour do. You would still be pulling the same amount of power, it would just take longer to get there, the fact that you had an extra 1000w or more coming on daily is all they need if theyre going to look at your electric, flipping 1000w on is the same as something going up to 1000w over an hour. Just cause its slow doesn't mean its sneaky...no one is going to answer this question, because no one needs to have a dimmer on their ballast, there's no point in slowly ramping it up over an hour, it probably uses more power than just turning it on. not trying to be a bummer this just doesn't make any sense to me. peace.

Think of a dimmer light, does slowly turning the dimmer up all the way up over an hour make the light at its brightest any less obvious? answer please.

 

[ganjagoddess]

no you cant dim HID lighting, and B I have an electric meter and a 4000 watt grow, Im not worried yet.

Dont sweat the small stuff.

If they want in to my house, they dont even need a warrant with the patriot act.

 

[laundrybag]

no you cant dim HID lighting,

see... that wasn't hard

thank you very much for a simple answer to a simple question

wow, my post count sure got high with this thread from 0 to 6 just like that
assrabbi... what else gets under yer skin so i can ask about that too
i'll have a bad ass post count in no time
LOL just kiddin

 

[DR. VonDankenstine]

FYI-there is a interface for your lights called "HID SMART"---you can run anywhere from 1 to 12 lights on the HIDS6, 1 to 20 lights on the HID10, and 1 to 40 lights on the HID20.(the prices are 800/1200/1400)---The cool features-----There are two great features that stand out-----1. The units uses a digital switch with a million combinations at start-up---each light will come on in as little as 2 sec or as much as 2mins but never the same pattern(NO FOOTPRINT) for each light(the electrical on and off time's, usage, and pattern would never be the same at the meter!!!). The second great feature is that you can run a two rooms in flowering off one unit and you will only need half the ballasts as you have lights----12 day flowering/12 night flowering---example-----2 lights in each room(4 lights ran to the HIDSMART-----HIDS connects to 2 ballasts and switches between rooms without a footprint------No footprint at start up/no footprint at shutdown. Hope the info helps you out.

 

[bonz]

you should look at new vancouver bc laws. it gives our electric company the right to report any unusual usage or spikes they see ( and they do see) they can report it to the police now and that is enough evidence for a warrant based on meter mans findings. the house i now live in had it happen to him ( previous tenant, i`m legal) and i was told ( not sure on truth ) that once that residence was busted they dont need a warrent anymore to do random inspections.

 

[ganjagoddess]

you should look at new vancouver bc laws. it gives our electric company the right to report any unusual usage or spikes they see ( and they do see) they can report it to the police now and that is enough evidence for a warrant based on meter mans findings. the house i now live in had it happen to him ( previous tenant, i`m legal) and i was told ( not sure on truth ) that once that residence was busted they dont need a warrent anymore to do random inspections.

Jeese lou Weezy, that blows.

I heard they are really cracking down on cannabis cultivation in canada.

Like 1 plant = JAIL TIME.

 

[bonz]

the sentences are still leniant. no jail for 1 plant. i`m not 100 % sure but i think first offence you need i believe 10 to 12 plants. anything under is probation or house arrest. but that all depends on the judge. iw as charged with dealing a few years back and every body was on board with the deal we cut with crown and i was suposed to get a conditional sentence to continue my job helping others in a recovery center and when it came sentencing day i ended up getting 1.5 years in prison and 18 months probation after. took that one dry. ouch!!!! and i did the whole sentence ( no good time) and no credit for spending 4 months in pretrial going through my court case.


and now i`m sick and have a liscence to gro. SO I SAY LIGHT EM UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[assrabbi]

laundry I told you three times it doesn't work, I guess you can't just READ. AND ONCE AGAIN GG, your cirumstances are different. As you said to me "I'm growing for 180 patients legally". what do you really have to worry about?

 

[assrabbi]

MOST OF US HAVE TO HIDE OUR MEDICINE. BUY OUR MEDICINE LIKE WE WERE COKE FIENDS. A BRAVE FEW CHOOSE TO GROW THEIR MEDICINE. AND WE FEW WILL GO TO JAIL FOR OUR MEDICINE. fuck the police. I hope all of you in legal states enjoy your comfy cushy LEGAL grows. PEACE

 

[dcx]

MOST OF US HAVE TO HIDE OUR MEDICINE. BUY OUR MEDICINE LIKE WE WERE COKE FIENDS. A BRAVE FEW CHOOSE TO GROW THEIR MEDICINE. AND WE FEW WILL GO TO JAIL FOR OUR MEDICINE. fuck the police. I hope all of you in legal states enjoy your comfy cushy LEGAL grows. PEACE

After a year of lurking and learning quite alot from this site I'll come out and say RIGHT The FUCK ON BRO first post only rep so far

 

[ganjagoddess]

laundry I told you three times it doesn't work, I guess you can't just READ. AND ONCE AGAIN GG, your cirumstances are different. As you said to me "I'm growing for 180 patients legally". what do you really have to worry about?

What are you tripping about? All I said was I heard??? WTF is with this sudden vendetta against me???

I added to this conversation is a positive way, why are you fogging it with negativity??

 

[pig420]

If someone is really worried about a electric bill they would use a generator.
imagine that. that would be a real pain in the butt