Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize
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hyroot
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the water that seeds soak in. That inhibits growth. Its all explained early in the rols thread. You want to rinse off all that water. Hence the resting and rinsing and soaking twiceSoaking some organic quinoa seed.
I have soaked them for a couple of days and thought about using the water in my waterings?
Not trying to shortcut barley soaking, but could this be an alternative, thoughts?
https://www.rollitup.org/organics/636057-recycled-organic-living-soil-rols-104.html
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yes you guys very much did attack me.
perhaps i worded it wrong, ive only ever made my own nutes and soils ive never bought a bottle before in my life.
yes im concerned first and foremost that something is vegan before its organic, because i wont buy consume or use animal products. thats the way i live. that doesnt mean ill use a product and that doesnt mean the product is horrible.
IE: ive bought pasta that was vegan but not organic
and i wont believe everything i read on the internet for every 1 post of hyroot i have 2 people message me in inbox saying he was full of shit.
so ive decided to email the company and we will see. and ill make my own decision from after a little more research
Just because YOU GUYS think that it wasnt attacking because you two were on THAT side doesnt mean to the other user it wasnt.
perhaps i worded it wrong, ive only ever made my own nutes and soils ive never bought a bottle before in my life.
yes im concerned first and foremost that something is vegan before its organic, because i wont buy consume or use animal products. thats the way i live. that doesnt mean ill use a product and that doesnt mean the product is horrible.
IE: ive bought pasta that was vegan but not organic
and i wont believe everything i read on the internet for every 1 post of hyroot i have 2 people message me in inbox saying he was full of shit.
so ive decided to email the company and we will see. and ill make my own decision from after a little more research
Just because YOU GUYS think that it wasnt attacking because you two were on THAT side doesnt mean to the other user it wasnt.
Nullis
Moderator
You are misinterpreting those web pages. I have tried to tell you this in the past, because I remember you have posted similar things in the past.
First of all, all fertilizers contain some trace amount of heavy metals like those you mention (greensand, rock phosphate, kelp meal, etc. too). That is in parts per million, and values of < (less than) 10, <5, <0.2, 5, <5 aren't really significant... compare them to others. Random example Maxicrop Soluble Seaweed power - http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_met...oduct_id=16782 with 36 ppm Arsenic, this Espoma rock phosphate - http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_met...oduct_id=21812 with 42 ppm Cadmium and 70 ppm Nickel!
Also you are reading the Non Plant Food Ingredients table incorrectly. The fields that you reference, Indole3 Butyric Acid, Phosphorous Acid, Naphthaleneacetic Acid, etc. are EMPTY... there is no value there because those substances are not in the product (you will notice that table displayed on many of the liquid products). What is in the product for NPF-ingredients, according to the table is 0.2% Humic acid, 2% Kelp and for Other Ingredients 1.5% Cane Sugar and 0.5% Glacial Rock Powder.
And for someone to say something like "every synthetic nutrient on the market is vegan by definition", is more than a stretch. If you want to get down to it most of the synthetics are petrochemicals- obtained from fossil fuels.
Products like the General Organics line are plant based (alfalfa, kelp, plant protein hydrolysate) with mined minerals.
st0wandgrow
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Oh please. You're going to trace the product back millions of years to connect your dots?? Using that logic sunni wouldn't be able to drive a car, ride a bike, or wear a pair of shoes because they're all bi-products of dinosaurs (not vegan). Smh
i dont drive actually. and i wear certified vegan shoes
nevyn
Member
Sorry this caught my eye. You get vegan shoe's? WTF?? Really? If this was joke and I missed it then apologies, but we live in a strange world, so anything is possible. Not trying offend Sunni if you really do get vegan shoes.
yes i get vegan shoes because i am vegan. i dont wear anything from an animal product or by product i also dont buy anything made in sweatshops or try not to at least anymore. i dont shop at walmart or any other big named store.
i make my own laundry soap, tooth paste, deodorant, soaps, ect
vegan shoes dont really look any different heres my combat boots i bought for like 40$
nevyn
Member
Wow, I really never knew that, that is freaky, nice one Sunni. Not a vegan myself but I also only use a homoeopathic (can't think of a better way to put it) toothpaste. But shoes wow, wow. A close friend of mine is the same as you, she also makes her own stuff, like soap and whatnot. She will be very interested in these shoes I can tell you that. Can't wait to tell her, for once I will know something she doesn't, lol.
haha most shoes are pretty vegan friendly now as synthetic materials are cheaper to produce than leather fur ect.
Nullis
Moderator
It doesn't matter how I want to trace it back, different strokes for different folks.
If someone doesn't want to buy synthetic nutrients because they don't want to support that aspect of the petrochemical/fertilizer industry, why should anyone have a problem with that? Furthermore you should know better than to say that such fertilizers are "practically vegan". They do absolutely nothing for the soil food web and you know that. - Obviously they didn't come from plants.
If someone doesn't want to buy synthetic nutrients because they don't want to support that aspect of the petrochemical/fertilizer industry, why should anyone have a problem with that? Furthermore you should know better than to say that such fertilizers are "practically vegan". They do absolutely nothing for the soil food web and you know that. - Obviously they didn't come from plants.
st0wandgrow
Well-Known Member
Nullis
Moderator
st0wandgrow logic.
No ya know what I don't care right now. You're a moron. You jump to conclusions when that wasn't my 'logic' at all.
says its made from a mix of wood and airseal which i suppose is rubberWhat about the soles of the shoes though?
Rubber=dinosaurs=not vegan (nullis logic).
st0wandgrow
Well-Known Member
Where did I say that? I didn't. She said that she didn't care if it was organic, to which I responded that she may as well buy synthetics then.
Give your head a shake you know it all.
its not that i dont care if its organic but my priority list is
vegan
organic
so vegan would be first priority over organic
foreverflyhi
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I see alot of words like vegan and organics, what anout sustainabity?
They are all connected in their true meaning.
SUSTAINABILITY is VEGAN and SUSTAINABILITY is ORGANICS
Imo yall are getting off track with yall non sense
They are all connected in their true meaning.
SUSTAINABILITY is VEGAN and SUSTAINABILITY is ORGANICS
Imo yall are getting off track with yall non sense
Nullis
Moderator
Oh, I am the know it all? I suppose I do try. But...
Knock knock, at the door. Who's it for? There's nobody in here. Look in the mirror my friend.
I am just a bit sick of folks around here jumping on others posts with such vehemence, pretty must just over their choice of words. I mean, if my logic is so screwed up but your battery acid = veganic logic isn't... well fuck me. Granted that perhaps this is all just a matter of perspective anyways. "Vegan" sort of implies organic if you ask me.
However, hyroot going around repeatedly slandering certain products he probably hasn't even used over information he is quite clearly misconstruing is another matter. I have absolutely no problem being corrected when there is clear, concise, credible information presented to me or somebody explains to me convincingly enough why I am wrong.
I don't understand at best. I cannot speak for all the rest.
Morning's rise a lifetime's past me by.
hyroot
Well-Known Member
you have to argue every little thing then quote the first thing you find in a google search without doing any real research or trial and error
vegan is anything not from an animal. veganic is organic vegan. so all chems are vegan
Nullis
Moderator
Again that's a matter of perspective. The way I see it "vegan" in terms of growing plants, etc. = vegetatively derived. Therefore no refined substance is "vegan", unless it was refined from a vegetable source. Example: Vegetable derived gel caps.
And BTW the more I think about it, what I said before really isn't so illogical. Fossil fuels are pretty well directly derived from animals, irrespective of the amount of time it took to convert from "animal" to fossil fuel. Still, they are called fossil fuels for a reason.
This is why it is a matter of perspective, and I never said it was necessarily my perspective but it is one nonetheless.
And, if so, is this worse than slandering products because I misinterpreted the info in the State of Oregon's fertilizer registration database and thought it included all of the ingredients in the product?
And BTW the more I think about it, what I said before really isn't so illogical. Fossil fuels are pretty well directly derived from animals, irrespective of the amount of time it took to convert from "animal" to fossil fuel. Still, they are called fossil fuels for a reason.
This is why it is a matter of perspective, and I never said it was necessarily my perspective but it is one nonetheless.
Now is that really what I do?
And, if so, is this worse than slandering products because I misinterpreted the info in the State of Oregon's fertilizer registration database and thought it included all of the ingredients in the product?