Minimum wage in mathematical terms

[Rob Roy]

My local Subway has two baboons and a lemur employed there.

Okay, so it's a gibbon that they employ primates, what's your point?

 

[kpmarine]

In California, prisoners get to go to the top of the transplant lists. Condemning innocent civilians to death. Great system, huh?

Legally, a person's incarceration cannot be used to give or remove priority on the transplant list. They may be at the top because of medical need; but being locked up isn't going to put you on the top.

 

[althor]

My take on it....

You aren't supposed to be still working minimum wage jobs after you quit school/finish school.
If your only option is minimum wage jobs, stay in school.
Minimum wage jobs are for school kids.

 

[UncleBuck]

My take on it....

You aren't supposed to be still working minimum wage jobs after you quit school/finish school.
If your only option is minimum wage jobs, stay in school.
Minimum wage jobs are for school kids.

that is an uncalled for attack on kynes.

 

[schuylaar]

they should make that the republican's motto for 2016!

destined to be a classic!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to UncleBuck again.

 

[schuylaar]

My local Subway has two baboons and a lemur employed there.

the respect you earned from me through the understanding of deaths of (both) your family(s) is diminished by this type of comment..we're all related, red hence the theological similarities..judaisim is muslim is christian..they all got a copy of the same set of rules..clans just migrated to different continents..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Daughters_of_Eve

 

[Canna Sylvan]

My take on it....

You aren't supposed to be still working minimum wage jobs after you quit school/finish school.
If your only option is minimum wage jobs, stay in school.
Minimum wage jobs are for school kids.

Don't attend school in the first place. Do self study. Download public domain text books. Disipline yourself. Design a curriculum. Down with Prussian mind control!

 

[canndo]

If you get a minimum wage job, don't call in, show up on time, don't steal from your employer, and stay awake while there while giving a little effort you will be given a raise within a few months.

After your raise, if you in crease your effort from a little to your best, you will likely be promoted so long as you keep doing the other things mentioned. After 1 to two years it is likely you will be given another raise and a promotion.

Keep all this up and after a few years odds are, depending on the company you work for, there is a good chance you will be one of the top, if not the top member of management at that store.

If you have done all this for 10 years, you will be rewarded.

If you take that job with an attitude of "minimum wage gets minimum effort" odds are you'll be kept at your starting salary, if not fired.

um...nope. Why should I pay you more as an employer? The next place you go pays the same so you won't leave. Beyond that, even, your scenario excludes the possibility of every employee doing the same thing, an impossible situation unless you are able to have everyone be managers.

 

[canndo]

no insurance is not free at that income level so i do not know where you got that information as i chose to take a 1% fine this year instead of the 50% of my medical fee which is all the employer our mine i should say since i cannot speak on others but my employer pays minimum wage and only pays a percentage of my health care which i am required to have or take a penalty every year.

for now the penalty is much lower then the cost of insurance....great system.

unless of course you get sick, then the cost of your premiums becomes trivial

 

[UncleBuck]

Don't attend school in the first place. Do self study. Download public domain text books. Disipline yourself. Design a curriculum. Down with Prussian mind control!

*discipline

 

[EpicNugTime]

politics in a pot forum.. face mask - rain gear on!

 

[spandy]

um...nope. Why should I pay you more as an employer? The next place you go pays the same so you won't leave. Beyond that, even, your scenario excludes the possibility of every employee doing the same thing, an impossible situation unless you are able to have everyone be managers.

That's just it though, the ones who are gonna make something of themselves will, and the ones who just want more pay will just keep asking for more pay. Not everyone is gonna put the effort in, so most wont get the opportunity.

Unless we are all special snowflakes who all deserve the same things for just showing up.


If I just asked my customers to pay me more, they'd laugh and shop somewhere else. But, we raise our prices all the time because we are constantly improving our customer service skills and our overall trade performance skills which gives incentive to the customer to continue shopping with us.

But an employee can ask for an increase in pay simply because they cant afford life? Who's fault is that? Why does the employer have to continually pay for a person lack of effort and drive?

So a person didn't want to do much in life so they work the fast food window, but for some reason they are entitled to a living wage just for showing up?




The problem could money. Maybe if we had to trade without the use of monies, and people saw the value of the things they created and how LITTLE people were willing to trade in return for this "skill" they think is deserving of a living wage, then maybe they would realize how little their job really is worth.

Takes a few days to teach someone who isn't very competent to smile and take money over a basic register, couple weeks for more advanced setups. Is that worth a living wage?

I wasn't making 15 bucks an hour until about my 4th year of business, and I owned the fucking place since day one. If in the beginning I knew the level of effort it would take to get to where I am now, I'd still be all over it. But so many would look at those long hours and all that hard work that it takes to get there and instead just say fuck it and ask for a raise, instead of looking for an opportunity to better themselves.

 

[kpmarine]

That's just it though, the ones who are gonna make something of themselves will, and the ones who just want more pay will just keep asking for more pay. Not everyone is gonna put the effort in, so most wont get the opportunity.

Unless we are all special snowflakes who all deserve the same things for just showing up.


If I just asked my customers to pay me more, they'd laugh and shop somewhere else. But, we raise our prices all the time because we are constantly improving our customer service skills and our overall trade performance skills which gives incentive to the customer to continue shopping with us.

But an employee can ask for an increase in pay simply because they cant afford life? Who's fault is that? Why does the employer have to continually pay for a person lack of effort and drive?

So a person didn't want to do much in life so they work the fast food window, but for some reason they are entitled to a living wage just for showing up?




The problem could money. Maybe if we had to trade without the use of monies, and people saw the value of the things they created and how LITTLE people were willing to trade in return for this "skill" they think is deserving of a living wage, then maybe they would realize how little their job really is worth.

Takes a few days to teach someone who isn't very competent to smile and take money over a basic register, couple weeks for more advanced setups. Is that worth a living wage?

I wasn't making 15 bucks an hour until about my 4th year of business, and I owned the fucking place since day one. If in the beginning I knew the level of effort it would take to get to where I am now, I'd still be all over it. But so many would look at those long hours and all that hard work that it takes to get there and instead just say fuck it and ask for a raise, instead of looking for an opportunity to better themselves.

You heard it here first folks, just grab your bootstraps. There's no issues with our current cost of living situation in many parts of the country. If you can't make enough to live then it's really just all your fault. There's enough jobs paying a living wage for everyone! If there's no jobs that pay over minimum wage, that's your fault!

 

[spandy]

You heard it here first folks, just grab your bootstraps. There's no issues with our current cost of living situation in many parts of the country. If you can't make enough to live then it's really just all your fault. There's enough jobs paying a living wage for everyone! If there's no jobs that pay over minimum wage, that's your fault!

Why do you assume people are incapable of creating their own jobs?

 

[Padawanbater2]

That's just it though, the ones who are gonna make something of themselves will, and the ones who just want more pay will just keep asking for more pay. Not everyone is gonna put the effort in, so most wont get the opportunity.

Unless we are all special snowflakes who all deserve the same things for just showing up.


If I just asked my customers to pay me more, they'd laugh and shop somewhere else. But, we raise our prices all the time because we are constantly improving our customer service skills and our overall trade performance skills which gives incentive to the customer to continue shopping with us.

But an employee can ask for an increase in pay simply because they cant afford life? Who's fault is that? Why does the employer have to continually pay for a person lack of effort and drive?

So a person didn't want to do much in life so they work the fast food window, but for some reason they are entitled to a living wage just for showing up?




The problem could money. Maybe if we had to trade without the use of monies, and people saw the value of the things they created and how LITTLE people were willing to trade in return for this "skill" they think is deserving of a living wage, then maybe they would realize how little their job really is worth.

Takes a few days to teach someone who isn't very competent to smile and take money over a basic register, couple weeks for more advanced setups. Is that worth a living wage?

I wasn't making 15 bucks an hour until about my 4th year of business, and I owned the fucking place since day one. If in the beginning I knew the level of effort it would take to get to where I am now, I'd still be all over it. But so many would look at those long hours and all that hard work that it takes to get there and instead just say fuck it and ask for a raise, instead of looking for an opportunity to better themselves.

IMO, if the national minimum wage won't support a single person living on his own, the fault lies with the government and the economic policies put in place long before that person ever became an able bodied worker. Think about it, a single person could support himself (bills, insurance, car payment, higher education) in the 1970's in America, that same single person can't today. What happened? The economic growth went to the upper class while wages stagnated. Over 200% to the top 10% from 1974-2003, while middle class and poor wages rose only 6% during that same time. This is clear inequality, the middle/poor class in America are simply asking to be paid fair wages that match economic growth. Estimates actually show that figure is much higher than what is currently being requested by members of the fast food industry ($22/hour as opposed to $15) I don't see what is so "entitled" about that. The system was consciously rigged in the late 1970's in favor of the upper class. People like to talk about "wealth redistribution" when it comes to the lower classes, but what exactly do you call that? Shifting the growth from the lower classes to the upper classes?

 

[Padawanbater2]

You heard it here first folks, just grab your bootstraps. There's no issues with our current cost of living situation in many parts of the country. If you can't make enough to live then it's really just all your fault. There's enough jobs paying a living wage for everyone! If there's no jobs that pay over minimum wage, that's your fault!

How do you figure this when every measurable statistic says otherwise?

Do you really think poor people are just lazy?

 

[spandy]

So if we have a job, no matter what that job we are supposed to be able to only work 35-40 hours a week and with that small effort, be provided with a living wage? So home, transportation, healthcare, food, clothing, and everything else, for flipping burgers 35-40 hours a week, or it's the governments fault?

Because apparently, we can't possibly be held accountable for our own choices in life.

 

[UncleBuck]

Why do you assume people are incapable of creating their own jobs?

i once tried to open up a bootstrap factory.

 

[UncleBuck]

So if we have a job, no matter what that job we are supposed to be able to only work 35-40 hours a week and with that small effort, be provided with a living wage?

that's the idea of it.

i know some people prefer a race to the bottom with bangladeshi kids better, but i am not one of those people.

since when is a 40 hour week just a "small effort", by the way?

 

[Padawanbater2]

So if we have a job, no matter what that job we are supposed to be able to only work 35-40 hours a week and with that small effort, be provided with a living wage? So home, transportation, healthcare, food, clothing, and everything else, for flipping burgers 35-40 hours a week, or it's the governments fault?

Because apparently, we can't possibly be held accountable for our own choices in life.

What would be the point of taking a full time job if you don't make enough money to support basic needs, like food, clothes, rent?