Minimum wage in mathematical terms

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Padawanbater2

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NoDrama said:
How come the article doesn't include all the Taxpayer footed subsidies? What happened to Housing, SNAP, Possible welfare and other state funded programs too numerous to count? Things like electrical, heating assistance, food pantries, etc etc Don't they have some value?
How come the article doesn't assume you live with your family or with another job holding person, or maybe a few roommates whose combined income can alleviate some of the high expense items like rent?
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This is demonstrating the ability for a single person earning the national minimum wage to support themselves. It's showing that one can't without using taxpayer footed subsidies and expect to survive with simple basic needs.

BigNBushy said:
If you get a minimum wage job, don't call in, show up on time, don't steal from your employer, and stay awake while there while giving a little effort you will be given a raise within a few months.
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$0.12 was my first raise, from $8.50-$8.62

I haven't missed a day in 8 months (since I started), never been late, never stolen, never slept on the job, always enthusiastic. "A few months"... 8 months, OK, I'll still give you the benefit of the doubt, lets see where this goes..

BigNBushy said:
After your raise, if you in crease your effort from a little to your best, you will likely be promoted so long as you keep doing the other things mentioned. After 1 to two years it is likely you will be given another raise and a promotion.
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Since I haven't been at this job that long, I'll refer back to my previous job, which I kept for 4 years. It was retail, I started out at $8.00/hour, worked from 30-40 hours/week. The only way to get promoted was if someone else left, I feel like this idea that if you just work hard and stay committed is demonstrably unfounded, and comes from people who either work above entry level positions or have never worked a retail job in their life. There can only be so many managers/supervisors.. A spot only opens up when someone either leaves, gets fired or the company expands. An entry level worker can be the best at his job since the company started, if there's not a job opening for him to fill, he will stay where he's at until there is or until he decides to leave. This is how it works in the real world.

BigNBushy said:
Keep all this up and after a few years odds are, depending on the company you work for, there is a good chance you will be one of the top, if not the top member of management at that store.
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Exactly, only the vast majority of companies don't operate under this fictional 1950's'esque business model, where economic growth just always happens and the middle class soak it up.. late 1970's legislation made sure of that..

BigNBushy said:
If you have done all this for 10 years, you will be rewarded.
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Or you won't be, and you'll be sitting there wondering why the vast majority of the wealth gained since the 1970's went to the top 10% of the country, then the right wing/conservative response will be "you didn't work hard enough/earn enough education/the right kind of education"...

BigNBushy said:
If you take that job with an attitude of "minimum wage gets minimum effort" odds are you'll be kept at your starting salary, if not fired.
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That's the only legitimate response, I mean, people are just lazy fucks, don't bother looking at the actual numbers.. Lazy entitled fucks, that's all they are..
 
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Wilksey

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So what you're saying is that everything should be priced high enough to provide the teenaged barista with a "living wage" regardless of where they live right?

Surely that'll fix all of our economic woes.
 
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schuylaar

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urban1026835 said:
if your a single male with no children these exceptions seem to be few and far between guess electric gas food and rent are cheaper somehow this way....well ok food and the bills should be somewhat cheaper.
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i'm a single female no children and in the same boat as you..
 
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BigNBushy

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One does not have to stay at the same company. Suppose you start as a cook at burger king. If after some time they aren't meeting your needs, apply for another job. A meek person Ming apply to Wendys, someone with ambition, who now has a year of cooking experience might seek work at applebees or something similar. Now your being paid close to $10 per hour.

I just left subway. Was making 8.50, and it sucked. I'm one of those who works above entry level thanks to my education and work experience. But after 7 months or so of unemployment, and 2 years prior to that of having multiple jobs, I wasn't getting the decent jobs I was applying for. Jobs like subway are opportunities to show that you can be somewhere on time and follow instructions. Don't expect to make too much if you keep working at a place such as this, a trained monkey can do the job.
 
Red1966

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Sounds like the guy set out to prove a preconceived notion just from the title. So he probably omitted anything that would disprove his contention. Sloppy or biased research isn't research at all, it's propaganda. The Nazi's were able to "prove" Aryan supremacy, too.
 
Red1966

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BigNBushy said:
One does not have to stay at the same company. Suppose you start as a cook at burger king. If after some time they aren't meeting your needs, apply for another job. A meek person Ming apply to Wendys, someone with ambition, who now has a year of cooking experience might seek work at applebees or something similar. Now your being paid close to $10 per hour. I just left subway. Was making 8.50, and it sucked. I'm one of those who works above entry level thanks to my education and work experience. But after 7 months or so of unemployment, and 2 years prior to that of having multiple jobs, I wasn't getting the decent jobs I was applying for. Jobs like subway are opportunities to show that you can be somewhere on time and follow instructions. Don't expect to make too much if you keep working at a place such as this, a trained monkey can do the job.
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My local Subway has two baboons and a lemur employed there.
 
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NoDrama said:
Well I think your points are getting across a bit better now, you seem to be more willing to defend your viewpoints. That happens as we age, until we stop up the brain and close it off to any influence.
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I dislike being spoken to as though I am a philosophical junior. My experiences command respect beyond my 32 years. From war, to travel, to women, I'm not going to be addressed as a child.

If you think you have had views like mine and that I will therefore grow into views like yours, you're incorrect. You have not experienced what I have. If I was going to be cynical I would have after my battle buddies offed themselves. My posts here are cynical because the site is under siege by imbeciles.
 
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schuylaar said:
it's a proven fact that this is not true..brand new 2013 independent paper:

Why Does the Minimum Wage Have No Discernible Effect on Employment?

http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/min-wage-2013-02.pdf
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We can do this all day.....

Here's a link that says the opposite: http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/PA701.pdf


It doesn't take a "think tank" to realize that a subway sandwich shop has to base wages on COSTS, and not on the "needs" of the employees. Something's got to give, be it the business itself folding, fewer employee's, more part time employees working fewer hours, or higher prices.

Some of y'all need to try to start and run a g'damn business before you start bitching about the wages a cashier makes for their "skilled" labor.
 
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