12 years as a slave

Pinworm

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"The film received very positive reviews from critics and was nominated for five Academy Awards including Best Picture. Christoph Waltz received several accolades for his performance, and won the Golden Globe, the BAFTA and his second Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor. His first Oscar was for another Tarantino film, 2009's Inglourious Basterds; few actors have won more than once in this category.[SUP][7][/SUP] Tarantino won the Academy Award for Best Original Screenplay, his second Oscar in this category for which he first won in 1995 for co-writing Pulp Fiction, as well as the Golden Globe and the BAFTA. The film grossed over $425 million in theaters worldwide, making it Tarantino's highest grossing film to date." - wiki

An amazing film about the REAL struggle ...
 

UncleBuck

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i mean, we talk about the injustices of slavery in a sort of detached way in this forum and just in general. it's pretty shocking to see the experience recreated to witness all over again.
 

Rob Roy

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How slaves are treated is not the measure of IF somebody is enslaved.

Obviously many people have been horribly physically mistreated by slave masters but that is not what determines if they are a slave or not. What determines that is whether they can make choices about their body, their justly acquired possessions and their peaceful actions absent the use of force or threats of the use of force against them for disobeying.

I submit that there are varying levels of how slaves are treated, but if somebody else is making your decisions for you, you are enslaved.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 

echelon1k1

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Years_a_Slave_(film)

being the huge mudscuttle i am, i can't wait to see this movie.

i liked django unchained, but it was classic tarantino and way too spaghetti western (spaghetti southern?) for the content matter it dealt with.

should be out sometime this month, but they won't say when.
For the staunch anti-racist advocate you claim to be, you seem to ben enamoured with the big screen and the façade that Hollywood presents.

Have you read the book? http://www.amazon.com/12-Years-Slave-Solomon-Northup/dp/1493667106/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1385999229&sr=8-4&keywords=12+years+a+slave

Hollywood DOES NOT represent the true content of the novels it transforms into screenplays. It undermines and marginalises key points, enforcing societal misconceptions, ultimately making the piece easily digestible; in a two hour timeframe or thereabouts. This film will be no exception.
 

greenlikemoney

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Bucky doesn't have time to read, what with tending to his massive garden, cleaning up after his slobbering hound and preparing to take over the MJ trade in Colorado.
 

echelon1k1

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"The film received very positive reviews from critics and was nominated for five Academy Awards including Best Picture. Christoph Waltz received several accolades for his performance, and won the Golden Globe, the BAFTA and his second Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor. His first Oscar was for another Tarantino film, 2009's Inglourious Basterds; few actors have won more than once in this category.[SUP][7][/SUP] Tarantino won the Academy Award for Best Original Screenplay, his second Oscar in this category for which he first won in 1995 for co-writing Pulp Fiction, as well as the Golden Globe and the BAFTA. The film grossed over $425 million in theaters worldwide, making it Tarantino's highest grossing film to date." - wiki

An amazing film about the REAL struggle ...
i mean, we talk about the injustices of slavery in a sort of detached way in this forum and just in general. it's pretty shocking to see the experience recreated to witness all over again.
How about throwing in some fact and reality for good measure?

What’s even stranger than the movie, however, is how seriously some of our high-minded critics have taken it as a portrait of slavery.

Didn’t they notice that Tarantino throws in an “S.N.L.”-type skit about the Ku Klux Klan, who gather on their horses for a raid only to complain petulantly that they can’t see well out of their slitted white hoods?

Or that Samuel L. Jackson does a roaring, bug-eyed parody of an Uncle Tom house slave in the second half?

Or that the heroine of the movie, a female slave, is called Broomhilda von Shaft? Could Mel Brooks have done any better? (“Lili von Shtupp,” I suppose, is slightly better.)

Yes, we are told that Broomhilda’s German mistress gave her the name and taught her German, but Tarantino is never more improbable than when he supplies explanations for his most bizarre fancies.

Some of his characters spring from old genre movies, some spring full-blown from the master’s head. None have much basis in life, or in any social reality to speak of. (Remember the Jews who killed Nazis with baseball bats?)

Yes, of course, there were killers in the Old West and cruel slave masters in the South—central characters in the movie—but Tarantino juices everything into gaudy pop fantasy. I enjoyed parts of “Django Unchained” very much, but I’m surprised that anyone can take it as anything more than an enormous put-on.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2013/01/django-unchained-reviewed-tarantinos-crap-masterpiece.html
 

Rob Roy

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i mean, we talk about the injustices of slavery in a sort of detached way in this forum and just in general. it's pretty shocking to see the experience recreated to witness all over again.

I disagree. I talk about the existing slavery all the time. You refuse to go there, because you think the softer gentler slavery of today, where some people tell others what they must do or face punishment ISN'T a form of slavery. You have detached from reality and think because the slaves standard of living has increased, that somehow it changes everything.

What makes a slave a slave is SOMEBODY else determines what they can do and when / if they can do it. Those circumstances still exist, hence so does slavery.
 

Doer

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You could read the book called Two Years Before the Mast.

That is about privation of the Ordinary Seaman in the Age of Sail. Very much like slavery. Military conscription is a type of slavery.

Or, read, Black Like Me. This is about a white man in the 50s that dyed his skin with walnut juice. Something to see first hand, he found out, this racism from slavery fear.

The simple fact is that rebellion by a few slaves here and there, caused WE the people to over-react against insurrection. It is a fact that these slave codes began because of fear. And fear against fear is just more escalated fear. We saw that in the Cold War.

"These rebellions were not confined to the South. In fact, one of the earliest examples of a slave uprising was in 1712 in Manhattan. As African Americans in the colonies grew greater and greater in number, there was a justifiable paranoia on the part of the white settlers that a violent rebellion could occur in one's own neighborhood. It was this fear of rebellion that led each colony to pass a series of laws restricting slaves' behaviors. The laws were known as slave codes."
http://www.ushistory.org/us/6f.asp

It could be a good movie or just a bunch of sensationalized violence, like Martin Bashir's comment on Palin. Bashir just showed his true colors (pun) about how he relishes sadism.

If you have a good master, that is much different from having a bad one, any slave will tell you. But, you are still a slave. It has very little to do with the corner case horror of psychopaths with slaves. Even a good master's son can kill a slave on a whim. Not legal in most states, but not charged or ever punished.

It is abuse, no matter what way you look at it. It is warlord arbitrary, and outside the rule of law. I thought Dejango was a pretty good representation, minus the spaghetti and the hard rock sound tracks.
 

NoDrama

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It was directed by Steve McQueen. I said to myself WHAT? that fucker is dead, then I looked up the director. Different person from the actor.
 

NoDrama

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Or, read, Black Like Me. This is about a white man in the 50s that dyed his skin with walnut juice. Something to see first hand, he found out, this racism from slavery fear.
Reminds me of Soul Man

[video=youtube;CVtsvIpJFTw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVtsvIpJFTw[/video]
 

althor

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I find it funny how in America people are so quick to scream racism and throw up slavery in the past, yet NONE of these people are out fighting the good fight against slavery in the world today....

If they were so appalled by slavery, you would think they would actively do something about it?
 

beenthere

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I find it funny how in America people are so quick to scream racism and throw up slavery in the past, yet NONE of these people are out fighting the good fight against slavery in the world today....

If they were so appalled by slavery, you would think they would actively do something about it?
Well, Bucky's got 48,000 posts condemning it, he's a real fighter!
 
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