message to first time growers

a mongo frog

Well-Known Member
I read the whole thing. The thing I hated the most was your take on co2. You've never used so you r definitely not aloud to comment on the use of co2 enrichment. The fact that u did, is considered bad advice. In the way that u put it. The part where u stated about not taking advice from this site was completely wrong. Where else can u follow all these grows and grow rooms from around the world with detail info about how one is growing. It's completely the best tool around if u open your mind and do some thinking.
The only true statement u said was obtain a grow book, but that's completely obvious. I've read tons of grow bibles and still run into things from time to time. Not cool to bash this site dude. Especially when a good 70 percent of the people have 10x more experience than u do.
 

Dannoo93

Well-Known Member
the most important info you need as a first time grower is get a log book...i swear it sounds silly but it will save you so much time.
secondly do not take the info you get off this forum or any other forum/youtube to serious,not to say its bad info...it might be great information
but wont apply to your situation.
most of the arguments on here are chemical/organic fresh air/co2 pull air/push air hps/led 600/1000w
and depending on what side you take you might get lucky and do good or completely eff up your grow.
what it comes down to is preference at the end of the day..
i suggest instead of wasting money on alot of unnecessary but a book on marijuana to know what the plant prefers vs a stranger on a forum.
most people go about growing with the wrong state of mind...the bigger is better attitude,but whats the point of a huge yield if its bullshit?
most nutrients you buy in grow shops are made for tomato's because they are similar,thats why they tell you to use half strength doses or less
they do have maybe 2 lines designed specifically for cannabis but even then...make sure that you're using them right,see if they say best in soil or coco...
b4 you decide to use coco or soil learn your grow environment to determine what would do better in the setup you have...same with the strains you plant,
training the plant is used to open the canopy not fit 6 foot plants into a 4 foot spaces.

next you need to get it out of your head growing 1lb plants indoor on a first grow...the guys you see doing that are experienced as hell.
are you growing for medical reasons?personal use?make ends meet?
if you need it for meds only or personal use most of this info you read is over-kill for what you want to accomplish.

the whole point is to recreate what nature would do indoors,if you're outdoors its just maintenance and water...

chemical vs organic
its really no debate here they both work
with chemical you have to flush regularly,and 2 weeks before harvest...not flushed properly you get a harsh taste and quick burning meds
with organic you dont have to flush,you can if you would like right before harvest (my preference is using a finisher exp. molasses)
both will give a good result but i suggest either one you use aim for something made for the cannabis plant and not tomato's

fresh air vs co2
i always grew outside...this year i tried my first grow indoors and heat was a problem...grow shop suggested i use co2 to make up for the heat
i didnt think it mattered much since i had a source of fresh air...not room air fresh air,he told me co2 was better :roll:
we as people have a tendency of getting good at something and think we're "the best" but nature creates itself much better than we ever can.
depending on your situation co2 might be a must but if you got your temps under control and a source of fresh air its a complete waste of money

pushing vs pulling air
try em both see which works better in your system...i would think a fan would work longer the less moist hot air that runs thru it

led/hps
leds if you're on a budget...hps if not
the basic argument here is lummens psf(per square foot),heat,wattage result right?
i'll try to simplify it with a test...if you can.. turn on your lighting system with the sun shining thru a window into your grow area and watch which light they chose...the sun is always going to be the best but that brings me to my next topic

600w vs 1000w
however good you did on 600w you would have done that much better on 1000w...most people say 1000w in a 4x4 space is overkill but if you do that calculations you'll see its almost exactly what you need far as heat and lumen and is powerful enough to get light into the canopy (unlike leds)...if you dont have the wattage or cant afford to run 1000ws(like 50 bucks a month in michigan during flower including fans)then a 600w will work

i could go on all day but the point is read...they tell you how to supercrop but not how important it is to ph your water or how important it is to have an accurate ph meter...good dirt,clean water,proper ph will get you the best quality..instead of buying nutrients read the ingredients and add them into your watering cycle as needed,the girls will tell you what they need...
but thats my 2 cents hope it helps because i see the advice on here is setting up first timers for failure...they teach you how to get higher yields but get through a couple grows check your logs,decide what you like and dont like and change it...trail and error because like i said before whats the point in growing lbs of bullshit?


I think u should read more...half ur shit is inaccurate...1000 will do better 4x4 not overkill thats what they are rated for usually...leds cheaper then hps ya right leds are expensive as shit co2 is not always best it can fixk a grow that isnt tuned in ...so ya my 2¢

Dannoo93
 

yktind

Well-Known Member
My Best advice for new growers...

Read, Read some More, and then Keep Reading.

I for one cannot ever learn enough about our awesome plants.
 

thecannacove

Well-Known Member
im leaving to tend to my girls(plants)and i made this to help people not argue with people on their 10th year growing telling me what they dont agree on...
i didnt tell people what to do i suggested getting a log book and reading books to perfect your craft...
Actually you "suggested"plenty more than that, and nobody TELLS people what to do here. They make suggestions just like you, 'cept they don't say to discount everyone else's advice but theirs.



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Follow along with me on my first grow - https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/752460-1st-grow-custom-room-pineapple.html
 

Sand4x105

Well-Known Member
The one thing I'd like to tell to Newbies--> Get some experience...
The only way to do that is by growing, and you will make some mistakes along the way, and seriously, one size or method does not fit all,
So Newbies, damn it, get some experience....
 

Sand4x105

Well-Known Member
And, if you read a thread, where some one, anyone, comes on here and calls "US" growers "All Idiots" just skip the thread, and any thing this OP has to say...
There may be some idiots here... But all of us, come on, there are a few non idiotic peeps here....some of the peeps here are well, down right smart....
 

reddvega

Member
the most important info you need as a first time grower is get a log book...i swear it sounds silly but it will save you so much time.
secondly do not take the info you get off this forum or any other forum/youtube to serious,not to say its bad info...it might be great information but wont apply to your situation.

Most retarded opening statement EVER.

whats retarded?saying dont take growing information you get off a computer to seriously because it might not apply to your situation or the taking notes part that all the pot heads with short term memory loss have a problem with since they never for get anything.
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most of the arguments on here are chemical/organic fresh air/co2 pull air/push air hps/led 600/1000w
and depending on what side you take you might get lucky and do good or completely eff up your grow.
what it comes down to is preference at the end of the day..

Preference whether or not to fuck up your grow? How do I CHOOSE???? I'm so confused!!!

following the first statement ....back to the advice you take from this forum...its 50/50 depending on your environment...exp(telling you the ph and nutes of a dro system when you use soil...suggesting nutes when your soil has nutes in it i have no clue about and you get nute burn)without knowing the plant you dont know why youre doing what the person told you to do,....just hoping it works. and reading a book you would know what and why you did everything
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i suggest instead of wasting money on alot of unnecessary but a book on marijuana to know what the plant prefers vs a stranger on a forum.

Will the book provide light and nutes for my plant? Has this book been written by a close friend of mine?
the book will provide you knowledge of the cannabis plant and what it needs and the best way to maximize the life and production of the plant,what nutes it needs,not the concentrated already mixed shit in grow shops...and no a close friend of yours probaly didnt write it...usually scientist write these books...but hey maybe your pothead friend is smarter than a scientist
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most people go about growing with the wrong state of mind...the bigger is better attitude,but whats the point of a huge yield if its bullshit?
most nutrients you buy in grow shops are made for tomato's because they are similar,thats why they tell you to use half strength doses or less

???
ask the grow shop thats local are the nutes made for tomatos or cannabis...you'll be shocked
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they do have maybe 2 lines designed specifically for cannabis but even then...make sure that you're using them right,see if they say best in soil or coco...

Which hydro store is that?

any of them in michigan...green planet has a line and the company they just split from does also...but if you read the book you could mix exactly what you need
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b4 you decide to use coco or soil learn your grow environment to determine what would do better in the setup you have...same with the strains you plant, training the plant is used to open the canopy not fit 6 foot plants into a 4 foot spaces.

I thought the book was supposed to take care of all that?

the book will tell you the specs...you still gotta use trial and error to learn "your" system...use common sense
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next you need to get it out of your head growing 1lb plants indoor on a first grow...the guys you see doing that are experienced as hell.
are you growing for medical reasons?personal use?make ends meet?
if you need it for meds only or personal use most of this info you read is over-kill for what you want to accomplish.

the whole point is to recreate what nature would do indoors,if you're outdoors its just maintenance and water...

???
are you growing to get high....cure pain,anxiety ect...sale?depending on why you grow will determine how you grow
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chemical vs organic
its really no debate here they both work
with chemical you have to flush regularly,and 2 weeks before harvest...not flushed properly you get a harsh taste and quick burning meds

How often do you flush? Why does my bud burn evenly and to white ash if don't flush?
because you never smoked good bud and dont know the difference i guess...i dont flush period because i dont put anything in my plant i would need to flush out...most first time growers use fox farm nutes and you need to flush them a lot
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with organic you dont have to flush,you can if you would like right before harvest (my preference is using a finisher exp. molasses)
both will give a good result but i suggest either one you use aim for something made for the cannabis plant and not tomato's

What is the difference between tomato and cannabis nutes?

tomato nute are made for tomato's and cannabis nutes are made for cannabis
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fresh air vs co2
i always grew outside...this year i tried my first grow indoors and heat was a problem...grow shop suggested i use co2 to make up for the heat
i didnt think it mattered much since i had a source of fresh air...not room air fresh air,he told me co2 was better :roll:
we as people have a tendency of getting good at something and think we're "the best" but nature creates itself much better than we ever can.
depending on your situation co2 might be a must but if you got your temps under control and a source of fresh air its a complete waste of money

pushing vs pulling air
try em both see which works better in your system...i would think a fan would work longer the less moist hot air that runs thru it

Have you tried pushing air through a carbon filter? Also would inline fans work? How hot and moist is your air?
i dont use carbon filters ...depending on your set up its what works for you
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led/hps
leds if you're on a budget...hps if not
the basic argument here is lummens psf(per square foot),heat,wattage result right?
i'll try to simplify it with a test...if you can.. turn on your lighting system with the sun shining thru a window into your grow area and watch which light they chose...the sun is always going to be the best but that brings me to my next topic

Budget LEDS? Are they .2 watts?
no i wasnt talkin price of lights i was talking the price to run the lights
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600w vs 1000w
however good you did on 600w you would have done that much better on 1000w...most people say 1000w in a 4x4 space is overkill but if you do that calculations you'll see its almost exactly what you need far as heat and lumen and is powerful enough to get light into the canopy (unlike leds)...if you dont have the wattage or cant afford to run 1000ws(like 50 bucks a month in michigan during flower including fans)then a 600w will work

i could go on all day but the point is read...they tell you how to supercrop but not how important it is to ph your water or how important it is to have an accurate ph meter...good dirt,clean water,proper ph will get you the best quality..instead of buying nutrients read the ingredients and add them into your watering cycle as needed,the girls will tell you what they need...
but thats my 2 cents hope it helps because i see the advice on here is setting up first timers for failure...they teach you how to get higher yields but get through a couple grows check your logs,decide what you like and dont like and change it...trail and error because like i said before whats the point in growing lbs of bullshit?
any more questions
 

reddvega

Member
I read the whole thing. The thing I hated the most was your take on co2. You've never used so you r definitely not aloud to comment on the use of co2 enrichment. The fact that u did, is considered bad advice. In the way that u put it. The part where u stated about not taking advice from this site was completely wrong. Where else can u follow all these grows and grow rooms from around the world with detail info about how one is growing. It's completely the best tool around if u open your mind and do some thinking.
The only true statement u said was obtain a grow book, but that's completely obvious. I've read tons of grow bibles and still run into things from time to time. Not cool to bash this site dude. Especially when a good 70 percent of the people have 10x more experience than u do.
in the first line i clearly say not that its bad advice it just might not apply to your situation...for me co2 is a waste of money if you have proper venting and a source of fresh air...again this advice isnt directed at someone on their 110000th grow...its for first time growers and i stand by what i said if you are a first time grower with fresh air thats sufficient...co2 has its pro's and cons...i never said dont take advice from here i said dont take it to serious...you can learn something from anyone,i wasnt bashing or tryna to make myself look like the ultimate gardener...my point was to do your own research but thru 8 pages of bullshit arguing that got lost....my whole point is learn the plant learn your system take notes and apply...does that mean i think you grow garbage?no

we all grow bud we got that in common,we all wanna grow good bud right?if the things i tell first timers dont help you just move on...i didnt tell them soil over hydro
or what light to use...to pull or push air...or what nutes to use...i explained that people on here make these things a major issue but not to focus on that first time around...focus on finding out which medium you like...if you like to push or pull...if you go organic or chemical...if you vent with air or use co2...i already know what i do and why because i know what makes the best wax...until you grow and figure out what you like all the advice in the world is just gonna have you growing the weed i like if that makes more sense
 

reddvega

Member
I think u should read more...half ur shit is inaccurate...1000 will do better 4x4 not overkill thats what they are rated for usually...leds cheaper then hps ya right leds are expensive as shit co2 is not always best it can fixk a grow that isnt tuned in ...so ya my 2¢

Dannoo93
i said 1000w is what you need for a 4x4 space...most people say its overkill but its just right...leds are cheaper to run than hps imo not to purchase if thats what you meant...and co2 can help or hurt just depends on the environment...but fresh air will do just fine,its how they grew b4 we had co2 regulators on the market...glad we agree on things
 

tip top toker

Well-Known Member
in the first line i clearly say not that its bad advice it just might not apply to your situation...for me co2 is a waste of money if you have proper venting and a source of fresh air...again this advice isnt directed at someone on their 110000th grow...its for first time growers and i stand by what i said if you are a first time grower with fresh air thats sufficient...co2 has its pro's and cons...i never said dont take advice from here i said dont take it to serious...you can learn something from anyone,i wasnt bashing or tryna to make myself look like the ultimate gardener...my point was to do your own research but thru 8 pages of bullshit arguing that got lost....my whole point is learn the plant learn your system take notes and apply...does that mean i think you grow garbage?no

we all grow bud we got that in common,we all wanna grow good bud right?if the things i tell first timers dont help you just move on...i didnt tell them soil over hydro
or what light to use...to pull or push air...or what nutes to use...i explained that people on here make these things a major issue but not to focus on that first time around...focus on finding out which medium you like...if you like to push or pull...if you go organic or chemical...if you vent with air or use co2...i already know what i do and why because i know what makes the best wax...until you grow and figure out what you like all the advice in the world is just gonna have you growing the weed i like if that makes more sense
I've never used c02 so i do not know how to go about things, but what is the difference between the recommended ppm of co2 supplementation, compared to the ppm of c02 in fresh air?

You say you have fresh air so have no need for c02 supplementation, so it would be very logical to assume that you know exactly what ppm plants prefer.
 

reddvega

Member
I've never used c02 so i do not know how to go about things, but what is the difference between the recommended ppm of co2 supplementation, compared to the ppm of c02 in fresh air?

You say you have fresh air so have no need for c02 supplementation, so it would be very logical to assume that you know exactly what ppm plants prefer.
using co2 most say 1500 in a sealed room but to me thats entirely to high...i would say anywhere from 900-1100 and at night 400 at max
with fresh air... its hard to say depends on rooms size amount of fresh air and air exchange...co2 was mainly used for grow rooms with poor ventilation
 

reddvega

Member
Your opinion is absolutely and completely meaningless without a point or scale of reference. 600w is 600w whether it is from an LED or an HPS.
so 10 100w bulbs burns the same amount of electric as a 1000w hps?
the reason people pay for leds is they are cheaper to run less heat and imo more effective
 
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