message to first time growers

reddvega

Member
the most important info you need as a first time grower is get a log book...i swear it sounds silly but it will save you so much time.
secondly do not take the info you get off this forum or any other forum/youtube to serious,not to say its bad info...it might be great information
but wont apply to your situation.
most of the arguments on here are chemical/organic fresh air/co2 pull air/push air hps/led 600/1000w
and depending on what side you take you might get lucky and do good or completely eff up your grow.
what it comes down to is preference at the end of the day..
i suggest instead of wasting money on alot of unnecessary but a book on marijuana to know what the plant prefers vs a stranger on a forum.
most people go about growing with the wrong state of mind...the bigger is better attitude,but whats the point of a huge yield if its bullshit?
most nutrients you buy in grow shops are made for tomato's because they are similar,thats why they tell you to use half strength doses or less
they do have maybe 2 lines designed specifically for cannabis but even then...make sure that you're using them right,see if they say best in soil or coco...
b4 you decide to use coco or soil learn your grow environment to determine what would do better in the setup you have...same with the strains you plant,
training the plant is used to open the canopy not fit 6 foot plants into a 4 foot spaces.

next you need to get it out of your head growing 1lb plants indoor on a first grow...the guys you see doing that are experienced as hell.
are you growing for medical reasons?personal use?make ends meet?
if you need it for meds only or personal use most of this info you read is over-kill for what you want to accomplish.

the whole point is to recreate what nature would do indoors,if you're outdoors its just maintenance and water...

chemical vs organic
its really no debate here they both work
with chemical you have to flush regularly,and 2 weeks before harvest...not flushed properly you get a harsh taste and quick burning meds
with organic you dont have to flush,you can if you would like right before harvest (my preference is using a finisher exp. molasses)
both will give a good result but i suggest either one you use aim for something made for the cannabis plant and not tomato's

fresh air vs co2
i always grew outside...this year i tried my first grow indoors and heat was a problem...grow shop suggested i use co2 to make up for the heat
i didnt think it mattered much since i had a source of fresh air...not room air fresh air,he told me co2 was better :roll:
we as people have a tendency of getting good at something and think we're "the best" but nature creates itself much better than we ever can.
depending on your situation co2 might be a must but if you got your temps under control and a source of fresh air its a complete waste of money

pushing vs pulling air
try em both see which works better in your system...i would think a fan would work longer the less moist hot air that runs thru it

led/hps
leds if you're on a budget...hps if not
the basic argument here is lummens psf(per square foot),heat,wattage result right?
i'll try to simplify it with a test...if you can.. turn on your lighting system with the sun shining thru a window into your grow area and watch which light they chose...the sun is always going to be the best but that brings me to my next topic

600w vs 1000w
however good you did on 600w you would have done that much better on 1000w...most people say 1000w in a 4x4 space is overkill but if you do that calculations you'll see its almost exactly what you need far as heat and lumen and is powerful enough to get light into the canopy (unlike leds)...if you dont have the wattage or cant afford to run 1000ws(like 50 bucks a month in michigan during flower including fans)then a 600w will work

i could go on all day but the point is read...they tell you how to supercrop but not how important it is to ph your water or how important it is to have an accurate ph meter...good dirt,clean water,proper ph will get you the best quality..instead of buying nutrients read the ingredients and add them into your watering cycle as needed,the girls will tell you what they need...
but thats my 2 cents hope it helps because i see the advice on here is setting up first timers for failure...they teach you how to get higher yields but get through a couple grows check your logs,decide what you like and dont like and change it...trail and error because like i said before whats the point in growing lbs of bullshit?
 

dannyboy602

Well-Known Member
words of wisdom I'm sure. its just too much to read. I know there was a question in there somewhere and my standard answer is "about a pound"
 

reddvega

Member
i no its long but a first time grower searching for knowledge needs alot of help and it covers alot..people just give good advice in a bad way on this site...
its like me saying a 3 week veg is more than enough...average forum noob sees that and only does a 3 week veg from seed and wonders why it came out with 7gm vs the 7oz that came off mine...by me not telling them 3 weeks veg is plenty if you are using clones on a 22/4 light cycle,after 2 weeks inside of the bubbler with root solution a-b..going into organic soil,using 0 water in a climate controlled well ventilated area,using a medi-one kit and or customized mixes of nutes for foliar feeding with no clipping...its good advice but good advice explained wrong can lead to terrible results and alot of wasted$
 

supchaka

Well-Known Member
At least fix the formatting if you're gonna cut and paste. Not that it mattered, I didnt get past the first sentence.
 

tip top toker

Well-Known Member
I'd say this is a post stating your opinion on matters, not what is actually required for newbies to grow.

I was about to stop reading when i saw that the first most important thing for anew grower is a log book, lol, but i thought i'd give the benefit of the doubt and try another sentence, this one about flushing with non-organic nutes being a must. I didn't bother reading anything more.

I just find it odd that you go out of your way to state that a lot of these things are all preference, yet then proceed to tell people how they must grow.
 

Nullis

Moderator
No it isn't all "good information"...

He opens by instructing newbies to not take any info on the forum seriously, proclaiming that it wont apply to the new growers situation. Goes off rambling quite a bit on various topics and proceeds to give generalized advice that may or may not apply for anybody growing.

Apparently didn't do do the research when setting up the indoor grow or really couldn't find any reliable info about the heat produced by HIDs and venting it? Yeah, high-wattage HID lamps create a lot of heat.
You can go with an air-cooled reflector to make cooling the lamps easier, and/or seal off the lamp ventilation from the grow room in order to use CO2.
Pushing the air is terribly inefficient... there really shouldn't be any argument here. Ideally the fan should be as close to the end of the ducting as possible, pulling cooler air in thru the entire system.
 

reddvega

Member
if you didnt read what i posted and formulated an opinion you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer...i didnt cut and paste anything i sat here and took 30 minutes out my day to help first time growers...yea on your first grow you need a log book to note changes so you can look back and see where or what you did wrong...far as flushing non organic nutes if you like slow growth and harsh bud from the built up salts they leave more power to you,dont flush even though the bottle recommends flushing on it :-|...far as a picture goes,take a picture of what?the example i used ?

if my advice bothers you leave them some better advice but if you here to bash me for helping people because you think you're a "forum pot god" kick rocks..i dont grow for the flower,i grow for oil and i dont wanna smoke or eat chemicals...you can take mexican dirt soak it in mr clean or any other chemical let it dry and have an "amazing high" which is basically what giving a plant chemicals without flushing is...like i said in my op the key is to recreate nature to the best of your ability,some people dont mind ingesting chemicals long as the flower is big with a bunch of crystals...end of the day its up to the grower and anybody here who says take their advice instead of telling you to read a cannabis book is more than likely full of shit...i never told anyone how to grow i just informed them the listed arguments are preference and people who tell you otherwise are full of shit...like the guy who doesnt flush non organic chemicals out his plant
 

LetsGetCritical

Well-Known Member
I did skip through it and it wasn't 'bad' information, I did leave some negative comments prior to removing them and posting "good information" but now I might sit here and argue every single point for the next 6 hours, you know cus im not too sharp
 

tip top toker

Well-Known Member
yea on your first grow you need a log book to note changes so you can look back and see where or what you did wrong...far as flushing non organic nutes if you like slow growth and harsh bud from the built up salts they leave more power to you,dont flush even though the bottle recommends flushing on it
1. need = requirement. There is ZERO requirement for a log book. Your statement is FALSE

2. a. How does not flushing slow down growth? b. And my buds grown from the same mom run side by side flushing and non flushing were identical.. c. what bottle? There are millions of bottles, mine certainly didn't tell me to bother flushing.

Not the sharpest knives? I say you're the idiot, not us. Because that is what you are saying, you are calling us idiots because we don't agree with your highly accurate "advice".

A log book is a requirement for growing.... fucking brilliant! :lol:

You say that this isn't solid advice, based on everyone having preferences, yet you are acting like a bitch because people are giving alternative, and in their mind and preference, better advice.

You keep harping your bullshit about new growers needing log books though :lol: Next you'll be saying you cannot grow using hydroponics unless you buy an EC/PPM/TDS meter.
 

LetsGetCritical

Well-Known Member
so we shouldn't listen to our fellow growers but we should listen to you right after your first indoor self proclaimed fail of a grow?
 

reddvega

Member
No it isn't all "good information"...

He opens by instructing newbies to not take any info on the forum seriously, proclaiming that it wont apply to the new growers situation. Goes off rambling quite a bit on various topics and proceeds to give generalized advice that may or may not apply for anybody growing.

Apparently didn't do do the research when setting up the indoor grow or really couldn't find any reliable info about the heat produced by HIDs and venting it? Yeah, high-wattage HID lamps create a lot of heat.
You can go with an air-cooled reflector to make cooling the lamps easier, and/or seal off the lamp ventilation from the grow room in order to use CO2.
Pushing the air is terribly inefficient... there really shouldn't be any argument here. Ideally the fan should be as close to the end of the ducting as possible, pulling cooler air in thru the entire system.
thats true for your setup not mine...which is the point of this thread,people like you who take information and pass it off like its industry standard...some people have fans the push or pull with the touch of a button and in my setup pushing or pulling doesnt matter temp stays 72...when i set up my tent i came here and got bad advice,ended up buying an extra fan for nothing,so im speaking from experience
 

reddvega

Member
are you on your first grow critical???
if you logged dated and changes on your first grow would it have helped?
researching lights growth medium and strains is bad advice?
telling people proper ways to care for their plants is bad advice?
telling them to use trail and error vs fellow growers who got their info from somebody who got it from somebody who got it from youtube?
you can argue with me all you like im licensed in michigan and dont need any help growing...i can care less you opinions about anything which is why im not on any of your threads making a comment
 
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