obama's DOE has better rate of success than bain capital

[Dr Kynes]

that is 100%, absolute, unadulterated horse shit. and you know it. you purposely chose the smallest deficit bush ever had.

$1539.22 Billion Deficit

versus

$759 Billion Deficit

do you want to do the math here, or shall i?

ohh so he gets to run up massive deficits because he couldnt get a budget passed, then claim his fiscal genius allows him to cut that artificially inflated deficit in HALF (to a number 3x higher than the top deficit of his predecessor) and then do the Ickie Shuffle in the imaginary endzone he has drawn on his living room rug.

brilliant.

imma beat 14 children to death on monday, then the next day only strangle 7 and claim that's 7 kids i "saved or created" with my awesome skill at childrearing.

im like mother fucking theresa up in this daycare center.

 

[UncleBuck]

ohh so he gets to run up massive deficits because he couldnt get a budget passed, then claim his fiscal genius allows him to cut that artificially inflated deficit in HALF (to a number 3x higher than the top deficit of his predecessor) and then do the Ickie Shuffle in the imaginary endzone he has drawn on his living room rug.

brilliant.

imma beat 14 children to death on monday, then the next day only strangle 7 and claim that's 7 kids i "saved or created" with my awesome skill at childrearing.

im like mother fucking theresa up in this daycare center.

you're confusing your talking points now.

ya see, under obama's leadership the deficit has been cut more than in half. you can admit it. even fox news has by now.

don't cry.

the "amount X saved or created" has to do with the stimulus that obama signed into law. the one that gave you many tax breaks and put millions back to work, and kept untold millions in a job.

ya see, that $250k per job that you guys like to cite to scare people not only includes two years pay for a skilled construction worker, it also includes all the materials that person uses building a bridge or expanding a highway. they buy those materials from other businesses, and this type of aggregate demand leads to more jobs.

it's one of the easiest, best value added investments.

the greatest thing about it is that people don't sit in traffic as much, idling their engines and wasting gas. that saves everyone money over time, and lowers pressure on foreign oil. not to mention how goods and services that move along the highway don't sit in traffic either. ya think the company is gonna eat that wasted gas? nope. they pass it onto the consumer.

so decide whether you want to attack obama for cutting the deficit in half, cutting your taxes, saving millions of jobs, etc...but keep the talking points separate.

 

[echelon1k1]

ya see, that $250k per job that you guys like to cite to scare people not only includes two years pay for a skilled construction worker, it also includes all the materials that person uses building a bridge or expanding a highway. they buy those materials from other businesses, and this type of aggregate demand leads to more jobs.

you may be confusing "tools" with "materials"...

 

[Dr Kynes]

you're confusing your talking points now.

ya see, under obama's leadership the deficit has been cut more than in half. you can admit it. even fox news has by now.

don't cry.

the "amount X saved or created" has to do with the stimulus that obama signed into law. the one that gave you many tax breaks and put millions back to work, and kept untold millions in a job.

ya see, that $250k per job that you guys like to cite to scare people not only includes two years pay for a skilled construction worker, it also includes all the materials that person uses building a bridge or expanding a highway. they buy those materials from other businesses, and this type of aggregate demand leads to more jobs.

it's one of the easiest, best value added investments.

the greatest thing about it is that people don't sit in traffic as much, idling their engines and wasting gas. that saves everyone money over time, and lowers pressure on foreign oil. not to mention how goods and services that move along the highway don't sit in traffic either. ya think the company is gonna eat that wasted gas? nope. they pass it onto the consumer.

so decide whether you want to attack obama for cutting the deficit in half, cutting your taxes, saving millions of jobs, etc...but keep the talking points separate.

and the fact remains, the O-man's lowest deficit is 3x higher than booosh's worst.

you can squirt all the piss you like and cry about "aggregate demand" but the facts dont change. keynesian economics is still idiotic, has NEVER worked, and simply shuffles money from one pocket to the other while claiming imaginary profit.

the PEOPLE have less money now, MORE of them are unemployed than ever before, our deficits are still outrageous and the debt is climbing ever higher.

obama has FAILED by every measure except his popularity with the press and his catamites, like you.

 

[UncleBuck]

you may be confusing "tools" with "materials"...

how about tools and materials?

most of the "funded by ARRA" signs i saw while driving all over the western united states during 2009-2010 (oregon, washington, california, colorado, idaho, utah, wyoming, new mexico, texas, arizona. sorry, nevada) were highway widening projects, especially approaching major cities and between cities.

they put 3 or 4 lanes between tucson and phoenix when it used to be a two lane death trap/permanent traffic jam. they put more lanes in between el paso and las cruces. they did some repairs they were gonna anyway, such as improving the two lanes between boise and the I-15.

all of these things involved lot of tools and materials, the purchase of which from suppliers either kept people in work or led to more people working.

my favorite ARRA project was the expansion to 3 lanes on the 26 west of portland. i used to always sit in traffic when it bottled up through beaverton, but no more. save me time and money almost every time.

 

[UncleBuck]

and the fact remains, the O-man's lowest deficit is 3x higher than booosh's worst.

you can squirt all the piss you like and cry about "aggregate demand" but the facts dont change. keynesian economics is still idiotic, has NEVER worked, and simply shuffles money from one pocket to the other while claiming imaginary profit.

the PEOPLE have less money now, MORE of them are unemployed than ever before, our deficits are still outrageous and the debt is climbing ever higher.

obama has FAILED by every measure except his popularity with the press and his catamites, like you.

not a single thing you said is true, save the bolded part.

it is not my fault that you refuse to accept definitions and facts that even FOX news uses.

even FOX news knows the deficit bush left to obama was in the trillions, not $250 billion as you claim.

even FOX news knows that the stimulus did add jobs, and that the unemployment rate has dropped from its previous highs.

reality fucking hates you tonight.

 

[echelon1k1]

how about tools and materials?

most of the "funded by ARRA" signs i saw while driving all over the western united states during 2009-2010 (oregon, washington, california, colorado, idaho, utah, wyoming, new mexico, texas, arizona. sorry, nevada) were highway widening projects, especially approaching major cities and between cities.

they put 3 or 4 lanes between tucson and phoenix when it used to be a two lane death trap/permanent traffic jam. they put more lanes in between el paso and las cruces. they did some repairs they were gonna anyway, such as improving the two lanes between boise and the I-15.

all of these things involved lot of tools and materials, the purchase of which from suppliers either kept people in work or led to more people working.

my favorite ARRA project was the expansion to 3 lanes on the 26 west of portland. i used to always sit in traffic when it bottled up through beaverton, but no more. save me time and money almost every time.

you're a funny one... I can tell you've never been involved with the tender process in an upcoming construction/renovation because it just doesn't work the way you claim. keep the clown shoes coming bucky beaver

 

[UncleBuck]

you're a funny one... I can tell you've never been involved with the tender process in an upcoming construction/renovation because it just doesn't work the way you claim. keep the clown shoes coming bucky beaver

do enlighten me.

i know that they use a lot of different "tools" to break ground, level stuff and prepare for laying of new asphalt.

i know that they necessarily use "materials" out of which they create new road surface, and they also use "tools" to shape these "materials" into a flat, smooth driving surface.

did you have something different in mind? this is just what i see when i drive by road construction. am i hallucinating these things?

 

[Dr Kynes]

not a single thing you said is true, save the bolded part.

it is not my fault that you refuse to accept definitions and facts that even FOX news uses.

even FOX news knows the deficit bush left to obama was in the trillions, not $250 billion as you claim.

even FOX news knows that the stimulus did add jobs, and that the unemployment rate has dropped from its previous highs.

reality fucking hates you tonight.

BOOSH left no trillion dollar deficits, since as YOU have asserted, the O-man was immaculated in 2009, but the 2008 deficit was 258 billion, NOT trillions

to get TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS you must look to Bwana Obama's record, and his inability to ge this own party to pass a budget for 6 years.

he spent 6 years riding on boosh's coat tails, while claiming it was all booosh's fault. this is not a leader, this is a BUFFOON.

the fact that you love The One, and really want to ride his jock is a sad commentary on you, and your priorities.

 

[echelon1k1]

do enlighten me.

i know that they use a lot of different "tools" to break ground, level stuff and prepare for laying of new asphalt.

i know that they necessarily use "materials" out of which they create new road surface, and they also use "tools" to shape these "materials" into a flat, smooth driving surface.

did you have something different in mind? this is just what i see when i drive by road construction. am i hallucinating these things?

Dropping a lie between two truths may work for some, not all.

ya see, that $250k per job that you guys like to cite to scare people not only includes two years pay for a skilled construction worker, it also includes all the materials that person uses building a bridge or expanding a highway. they buy those materials from other businesses, and this type of aggregate demand leads to more jobs.

Do tell me how mom & pop operations benefit from multimillion dollar contracts? Hell, just cite you're $250K claim and Ill retract mine.

 

[UncleBuck]

Do tell me how mom & pop operations benefit from multimillion dollar contracts?

do only mom & pop operations hire people?

did i ever even make any claims about mom & pop operations?

are you retarded?

 

[UncleBuck]

BOOSH left no trillion dollar deficits, since as YOU have asserted, the O-man was immaculated in 2009, but the 2008 deficit was 258 billion, NOT trillions

where do you even get $258 billion from?

bush's deficit in 2008 was $498 billion. that comes from the same source that aped the numbers you came up with for 2007 and 2012.

so clearly, you are very confused right now. that is first of all.

second of all, even FOX news disagrees with you. everyone disagrees with you, except for dimwitted idiots like you.

obama inherited a $1.539 trillion dollar deficit from bush. this is not a matter of opinion, it is fact.

go retire to your room now, and don't masturbate too loud or your mother/cousin/brother/uncle/drifter may hear you.

 

[echelon1k1]

do only mom & pop operations hire people?

did i ever even make any claims about mom & pop operations?

are you retarded?

I'm asking to explain the following claim you made;

ya see, that $250k per job that you guys like to cite to scare people not only includes two years pay for a skilled construction worker, it also includes all the materials that person uses building a bridge or expanding a highway. they buy those materials from other businesses, and this type of aggregate demand leads to more jobs.

$250K,two years remuneration including materials? Citation please

 

[UncleBuck]

I'm asking to explain the following claim you made;



$250K,two years remuneration including materials? Citation please

http://nation.foxnews.com/stimulus/2011/07/05/obama-s-economists-stimulus-has-cost-278000-job

the whitehouse disputed this fox news reporting, but i'll take fox news on their word and trust them at $278k or so per job.

the stimulus lasted for at least two years, some places more.

not only do we get two years of employment and increased aggregate demand, we also get bridges and wider highways and whatnot.

really is a win win that republicans used to love, before obama. because obama. yeah.

 

[echelon1k1]

http://nation.foxnews.com/stimulus/2011/07/05/obama-s-economists-stimulus-has-cost-278000-job

the whitehouse disputed this fox news reporting, but i'll take fox news on their word and trust them at $278k or so per job.

the stimulus lasted for at least two years, some places more.

not only do we get two years of employment and increased aggregate demand, we also get bridges and wider highways and whatnot.

really is a win win that republicans used to love, before obama. because obama. yeah.

No where does it mention or even allude to your claim that it includes two years pay for a skilled construction worker, it also includes all the materials that person uses building a bridge or expanding a highway

 

[UncleBuck]

No where does it mention or even allude to your claim that it includes two years pay for a skilled construction worker, it also includes all the materials that person uses building a bridge or expanding a highway

so if the stimulus didn't pay for the worker or the materials, how did the highways get expanded? did all those workers show up for free, and did the materials used to widen those highways show up out of thin air?

i think FOX news would have reported on that kind of thing. don't you?

the funny thing about that $278k per job number is that not only does it underestimate employment by only counting jobs created, it also ignores that most of the stimulus was actually tax breaks to ordinary folks like dr kynes and chesusrice and red1966 and doer.

so that $278k per job is grossly misleading, but it still entails hiring the construction folks and supplying them the tools and materials to widen a highway or build a bridge.

 

[echelon1k1]

so if the stimulus didn't pay for the worker or the materials, how did the highways get expanded? did all those workers show up for free, and did the materials used to widen those highways show up out of thin air?

Don't over complicate supply and demand, the stimulus got those project off the ground but in no way reflects or contributes to your claim that;

$250K includes two years pay for a skilled construction worker, it also includes all the materials that person uses building a bridge or expanding a highway

so that $278k per job is grossly misleading, but it still entails hiring the construction folks and supplying them the tools and materials to widen a highway or build a bridge.

Grossly misleading is your claim the stimulus bought tools for all the construction workers but thank you for acknowledging your mistake.

 

[UncleBuck]

Grossly misleading is your claim the stimulus bought tools for all the construction workers but thank you for acknowledging your mistake.

so they brought their own road rollers and bulldozers? that sounds unlikely.

 

[UncleBuck]

Don't over complicate supply and demand

who's doing that?

i'm saying that the fed gov invested half a trillion or so into workers and materials and tools to widen highways and build bridges and the like.

you are the idiot saying they brought their own bulldozers and asphalt.

my bitter little amigo, give it a fucking rest already.

 

[echelon1k1]

so they brought their own road rollers and bulldozers? that sounds unlikely.

Are you claiming not one piece of plant and/or machinery belonged to taxpayers - it was all hired in?

who's doing that?

i'm saying that the fed gov invested half a trillion or so into workers and materials and tools to widen highways and build bridges and the like.

you are the idiot saying they brought their own bulldozers and asphalt.

my bitter little amigo, give it a fucking rest already.

You couldn't reply with one post? You are drunk today little man - it's good to let the hate flow through you