Why Do Progressives Feel They Are Entitled

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Red1966

Red1966

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OgreTheFat said:
Why are conservatives posting on here? I was under the impression you guys would rather catch a case of cirrhosis than smoke a bowl. Please go back to whatever GOP convention you managed to get lost from.
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Kind of proves you have no clue as to what conservatives are. Perhaps you should start questioning some of your other mistaken "impressions"?
 
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ScottNM

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Doer said:
All tax is not progressive. Most tax is not progressive. So, let us say, you are in a system with regressive tax structures. Fuel, Property Tax, almost all day to day items, clothes, materials, etc are not proportioned to what you earn. In fact, it sucks.

So, to have Honor as Americans, we give a progressive relief on Federal Income Tax. SO WHAT?
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The problem is you have people who live off the government or do not control there birth canal and qualify for no taxes, no work and no costs for medical insurance. So this poor dear person has little responsibility and they are happy living in a project house if it means free, free ,free money, taxes, medical. The reality is this is unsustainable. We have to hold EVERYONE accountable for carrying there weight, unless they are physically incapable.... alot of abuse there. You say "honor"? We are/have created a large group of capable people co dependant on the government. I do like Gary Johnson's consumption tax idea though.
 
Red1966

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Doer said:
It will never work. The beauty of the tax code is Credit Incentive for Technology and all kinds of other goodness. A flat tax kills investment.
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So you're arguing tax breaks for special interest groups is a good thing? How does a flat tax kill investment? Got any examples? Even one?
 
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Red1966 said:
Doesn't address my question. And you don't pay much. Less than none when we consider that you're on welfare.
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Don't you love how these "gov check" people think its coming out of there hide..... God forbid someones unemployment check gets taxed....we need to tax them sorry job creators so I can be more comfortable in my handout situation......LOL/ not really
 
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Red1966 said:
So you're arguing tax breaks for special interest groups is a good thing? How does a flat tax kill investment? Got any examples? Even one?
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Do you have a single example of a flat tax, in operation...even one? And I can give chapter and verse how this tax structure does incentives for investment.

So, unless you can give me an idea how you can accomplish that with flat tax, you cannot say anything about your little theory in practice. And I am quite sure it has never been practiced.

How do you provide incentive? How do you relieve the ones that cannot even pay the regressive, flat tax?

It is the same to me as Marxism.....a crock of bent dreams.
 
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ScottNM said:
The problem is you have people who live off the government or do not control there birth canal and qualify for no taxes, no work and no costs for medical insurance. So this poor dear person has little responsibility and they are happy living in a project house if it means free, free ,free money, taxes, medical. The reality is this is unsustainable. We have to hold EVERYONE accountable for carrying there weight, unless they are physically incapable.... alot of abuse there. You say "honor"? We are/have created a large group of capable people co dependant on the government. I do like Gary Johnson's consumption tax idea though.
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These are un-tried theories, that cannot work. You cannot even define physically capable. You cannot say how we induce business to try new things. You see some problems and say you have the solution.

Oh no you do not.
 
Doer

Doer

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We did not create that underclass on purpose. The City is a structure that IS socialism. The Cities were not planned. The Cities became abusive. The tax became regressive.

No one did this to us. This is our self rule and we thought at one time, hive structures and mentalities in Cities were good. They are not. But we have to live with what WE did to ourselves. WE have to try to fix it. Yet, by now it represents a powerful Voting Block of City interests in Self Rule.

But, most of YOU are not informed enough to do, even, the second order correlation of thought. You have no idea what self rule really means.

It means, at all cost, the well off population, does not end up as food for the hungry. The Mob-rule to take it all to burn it down, has the trump card here and all right thinkers understand this.
 
Red1966

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Do you have a single example of a flat tax, in operation...even one? And I can give chapter and verse how this tax structure does incentives for investment. So, unless you can give me an idea how you can accomplish that with flat tax, you cannot say anything about your little theory in practice. And I am quite sure it has never been practiced. How do you provide incentive? How do you relieve the ones that cannot even pay the regressive, flat tax? It is the same to me as Marxism.....a crock of bent dreams.
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So, no, you can't. Your "incentives for investment" are everybody else's tax breaks for the rich. So you're promoting a regressive tax. The profit motive is a damn good incentive for investment. A flat tax is still progressive. As your income goes up, so does your taxes. "the ones that cannot even pay the regressive, flat tax" will still pay less. Or are you advocating that millions be allowed to pay nothing at all, while they demand that others pay more?
 
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Red1966 said:
So, no, you can't. Your "incentives for investment" are everybody else's tax breaks for the rich. So you're promoting a regressive tax. The profit motive is a damn good incentive for investment. A flat tax is still progressive. As your income goes up, so does your taxes. "the ones that cannot even pay the regressive, flat tax" will still pay less. Or are you advocating that millions be allowed to pay nothing at all, while they demand that others pay more?
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I'm not avocating. I am pointing to reality. It has never been done. A tax break to set up a juice stand in a neighborhood, is hardly a tax break for the rich.

And the more you talk about it the less you show, but your own Envy. You simply have no idea. So, you may as well be a Marxist to me.













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desert dude

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ChesusRice said:
They put a democrat as Govenor in California and look what happened to their debt

California Analyst Sees Annual Surpluses of $10 Billion


By James Nash - Nov 21, 2013 2:00 AM CT
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Moonbeam raised taxes to create that surplus. Now the legislature is frothing at the mouth in anticipation of spending that surplus. Give us a few years and we will be right back in the hole, deeper than ever.
 
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beenthere said:
When it comes to work they think they're always under paid.
They have a terrible work ethic.
Feel they no it all.
And are the first ones to file for unemployment, workers compensation and lawsuits.

If they feel so taken advantage of, why don't they ever start their own business?
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They do. And they quickly become Republicans.
 
Doer

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Yep, even my blind brother admits it is his circumstance only that drives his entitlement mentality. And I admitted it was that tax bill every year that makes me jaundiced about the waste. And entitlement is a good fat target.

But, IT is NOT the WASTE. Far from it.

And who would not want to Get Some. It is the reality of tribe. These needy, have done no wrong, as much as some attribute of tribe or another, has screwed them OVER. To ignore that is Doom for the tribe. We know this.

The Big Casino Tribe, USA has to have compassion or WE are done. Nashian Economic Game Theory is the only one that works and is naturally practiced. It is what WE do. WE compete in the tribe to make it better for ALL.

And since we dearly want the mob to be fed, least we become mob food and worse, WE Give,. so that others can Get Some.

It is the same as Religion to me. They Give so that others can Get Some. And in end, for most, in their hearts, that is all it is. As old as humanoid spit; the joy of living and giving, and surrounded by Ritual.

How can that be bad? If you studied the scope of History, you would understand. It is not a fine choice or the best choice, at all.

It is the only choice.
 
cannabineer

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justanotherbozo said:
this is the liberal lie, that all conservatives are evil selfish bastards willing to throw grandma over the cliff, ...this is an example of the emotional hotbutton talking points i was referring to earlier.

and the progressive liberal's who are actually at the top of the food chain, like Obama, Clinton, Durbin, Reid, Pelosi, all of them, they all depend on the population believing that they are being oppressed in some way and that they, the righteous Democrat's, will go to Washington and fight for you, they will fight against the evil, selfish capitalist's so you will no longer be oppressed.

what history proves though is that, more often than not, it's the 'liberal' Democrat's who are the oppressor's, search 'Jim Crow laws' for an example, but they are very good at pointing fingers of blame, ...like the guy in the checkout line who farts and then looks disgustedly at you so everyone else in the line believes the lie that it was you who just shit your pants.

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How is this any different from the other team? They too will tell you with utter sincerity that they are picking up sword and shield to go forth and bleed in defense of truth, justice and the American way. This is S̶p̶a̶r̶t̶a̶ Politics!
 
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