New York diesel - young leaves droopy

[Hazey One]

Hey everyone-still new around here but not new to growin-just been a while so I am getting refreshers of old info constantly now

I have two plants, SSH and NYD and they are in 3rd week of flower after a 30 day veg from clone-now about 4 foot and flowering nicely-however: NYD is showing some droop on the upper young leaves only. SSH is looking stellar. I'm in super soil with minimum blood and bone meal added prior to transplanting clones early on-no nutes added at all-just 7.0 water, filtered with a carbon filter. Plants are each in 5gal buckets under a 400w cooltube with a 6" can fan max making temps very nice now. 12/12 for just in 3 weeks now. My runoff is also 7.0 - so I am not sure what caused the younger top leaves at the flowers of the NYD to droop and curl under-over watering, under watering, nutrient lock-so I figure over watering is easier to come back from so I watered (a day late of twice a week) with 1gal water that was ph adjusted this morning. As I said the water in was 7 and the water out has been consistently 7 so I changed the water today to 6.5 to see if there is a good change in the next few days. Anyone experienced this? Ill post an example later to make it more clear- (please feel free to check my journal and comment freely) it's only on one plant and only a few top flowers leaves (young ones). I had a temperature issue that is under control now but it was up to just about a week and a half ago 86-87 by end of day so I'm thinking it might be heat stress too. My lights are kept at a good height from the tops-close to 10" or so. Any input would be appreciated-I have scoured all the sites (here and grow weed easy) and still can't tell. All organic and haven't been adding anything other than carbon filtered water. Temps since I got the fan are now around 74-79 all day (as low as 68 at night) It may be nothing and me over reacting to a few droopy leaves but I let the soil go light weight and then water. Thank you in advance for anything you have to offer here or in my journal! They look awesome otherwise. Again, comments in my journal are welcome.

 

[Hazey One]

Again it is only on the younger leaves under the flowers-I'm thinking heat stress since it is only on the upper, newer (delicate?) growth. What do you all think? Zoom in for clarity-over all the plant seems mostly healthy

 

[TheTimeKeeper]

I've had extreme heat at some point on all my grows and never had any 'heat stress' like your explaining, so for me, I'd rule that out. 5 Gal buckets are huge IMO (but i grow coco), so my first thought is over-watering. Personally, I'd let the pots dry out to the point the leaves are drooping from under-watering, then hit them with a moderate feed, in soil the evaporation rate is very slow, and overwatering is easy IMO, an underwatering or two won't hurt, some claim this can actually boost performance... Personally, I'd not be looking for runoff on daily feeds (in coco, yes, not soil, also i'd not be watering every day in soil, maybe every 2-4 depending on heat etc, maybe it would help to get a soil moisture meter?

 

[TheTimeKeeper]

Doesn't look to bad to me, I'd not be worrying, be still take into considerwation the possibility / ease of overwatering

 

[Hazey One]

I've had extreme heat at some point on all my grows and never had any 'heat stress' like your explaining, so for me, I'd rule that out. 5 Gal buckets are huge IMO (but i grow coco), so my first thought is over-watering. Personally, I'd let the pots dry out to the point the leaves are drooping from under-watering, then hit them with a moderate feed, in soil the evaporation rate is very slow, and overwatering is easy IMO, an underwatering or two won't hurt, some claim this can actually boost performance... Personally, I'd not be looking for runoff on daily feeds (in coco, yes, not soil, also i'd not be watering every day in soil, maybe every 2-4 depending on heat etc, maybe it would help to get a soil moisture meter?

Doesn't look to bad to me, I'd not be worrying, be still take into considerwation the possibility / ease of overwatering

You are awesome! Thank you for responding! I've even watering twice a week (Sunday and Wednesday). I'll let them dry a but more and get a decent moisture meter - got every other tool so always a good reason to buy a new one thank you again! It's always good to get other input- I've been babying these
Two for some time so when I noticed it early in the week I freaked!

 

[TheTimeKeeper]

np, I'm no soil pro but like I said, overwatering is easy, and 5gal pots are huge, you may see dry soil on top but in the midle still might be wet as, might be a good idea to add more perlite if going soil with such large pots? My suggestion is to not baby them, I now set-and-forget with my grows (still check them often but don't change anything, it's all automated), find they do better being treated like a weed! Good luck, and be sure to post up the results if you find an improvement for whatever reason, that way people using the forum for research are getting answers, not unconfirmed opinions!

 

[ThaDiggidy]

I agree with the over watering statement. I would not let them dry out to the point of wilt, due to the fact that they are already undergoing some form of stress. Normally waiting to water until the point just before leaf wilt is the perfect time.

Just do the weight test. One time let the pot moisture content get to the point of leaf wilt...lift the pot and make a mental note of the weight of the pot. Then fully saturate and do the weight test...again making a mental note of the weight of the pot. Then the very next time you water do so when the weight of the pot is just before the wilting point weight from before. This will take some time to get the hang of this...but not that much time.

Also using a cheap hygrometer/moisture meter can help dramatically...always check the moisture level at three points to ensure you are not over or under watering based on the overall moisture content of the pot.

 

[Hazey One]

I've had extreme heat at some point on all my grows and never had any 'heat stress' like your explaining, so for me, I'd rule that out. 5 Gal buckets are huge IMO (but i grow coco), so my first thought is over-watering. Personally, I'd let the pots dry out to the point the leaves are drooping from under-watering, then hit them with a moderate feed, in soil the evaporation rate is very slow, and overwatering is easy IMO, an underwatering or two won't hurt, some claim this can actually boost performance... Personally, I'd not be looking for runoff on daily feeds (in coco, yes, not soil, also i'd not be watering every day in soil, maybe every 2-4 depending on heat etc, maybe it would help to get a soil moisture meter?

Doesn't look to bad to me, I'd not be worrying, be still take into considerwation the possibility / ease of overwatering

Very good advice! Most appreciated! I think my drainage is ok, I mixed 50% perlite and like two tablespoons of bone and blood meals in the beginning going off my 1998 memory info now I hear 20%perlite is common but they seem happy-yeah I always forget it really is simply a weed and not a Overly difficult plant. I see so much over fertilization happening with other growers/ new bees-I still consider myself a newbie even now-glad that isn't a prob for me currently-it could be much worse for me! I managed a commercial garden years ago (roses, veggies, bulbs etc) so I retained a little experience knowledge but RIU (thank you) is full of experienced weed growers which is ultra helpful! Thank you again! I couldn't have felt better today thanks to your experienced opinions!

 

[TheTimeKeeper]

np h-o, good luck, don't forget to report back with conclusions whenever they may be!

 

[Hazey One]

I've had extreme heat at some point on all my grows and never had any 'heat stress' like your explaining, so for me, I'd rule that out. 5 Gal buckets are huge IMO (but i grow coco), so my first thought is over-watering. Personally, I'd let the pots dry out to the point the leaves are drooping from under-watering, then hit them with a moderate feed, in soil the evaporation rate is very slow, and overwatering is easy IMO, an underwatering or two won't hurt, some claim this can actually boost performance... Personally, I'd not be looking for runoff on daily feeds (in coco, yes, not soil, also i'd not be watering every day in soil, maybe every 2-4 depending on heat etc, maybe it would help to get a soil moisture meter?

Doesn't look to bad to me, I'd not be worrying, be still take into considerwation the possibility / ease of overwatering

Will do! I am getting some time away for a few days so I will see in a few days how she looks! Maybe I won't obsess so much for the next few days...tempted to set up a webcam (accessible from anywhere there is wifi) now for my room hahaha I guess that is gaining popularity!

 

[TheTimeKeeper]

I had a ipcam setup for a grow @ another location, great idea just make sure it's secure (decent password), even run it on a diff port (i.e. 21 as ftp runs on 21), either way don't obsess - it's a weed, don't forget it! As long as as it's watered and you don't have any bug issues you'll be right!! It's much more enjoyable seeing your babies after a few days away anyway, you notice the difference much more! Hope you have a good time away, good luck! TTK

 

[Hazey One]

They are doing well, I have decided from current growth that everything is fine now. The main cola has shown noticeable healthy growth (and some fattening up) and the droopy leaves are growing resin now...

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Thank you again "TheTimeKeeper" good advice!

 

[qroox]

Best of luck with your grow.i am going to flower mine as sooon as i get my new light bulbs. One month
vegging them. Newbies united..!!

 

[Hazey One]

Nice! I flowered at 24" (30 day veg of a clone) and she is 46" now in her 4th week of flower-she will spring up so be prepared! Very thick foliage too with mine at least-really, really fat leaves so I might try to defoliate next grow session