Stew's Breeding Project 2013

[budbro18]

It seems like that definition is more about making a land race strain. Or how to make a strain specifically suited for the environment. Like in Afghanistan where the kush grows wild. Its open pollinated but because there were only a few types of plants around years and years ago theyve almost bread themselves to be similar.

Versus sticking multiple fathers in a mother room and pollinating them all at once and not knowing what got where.

It should just be givin its real name, cluster fuck, instead of open pollination hahaha.

 

[MrEDuck]

If you're trying to come up with a strain that's acclimatized to your environment then maybe doing large open pollinations would work after several generations.
This is just saying we like to pollen chuck and take people's money for it!

 

[SxIstew]

After we talked about OP I looked into it some.

• Open-pollination is when pollination occurs by insect, bird, wind, humans, or other natural mechanisms. Because there are no restrictions on the flow of pollen between individuals, open-pollinated plants are more genetically diverse. This can cause a greater amount of variation within plant populations, which allows plants to slowly adapt to local growing conditions and climate year-to-year. As long as pollen is not shared between different varieties within the same species, then the seed produced will remain true-to-type year after year.
• Pretty self explanatory ,Still dont understand like you say Stew,the benefits of not knowing,which is WHICH!
• Beech

That is the same info I've read. They do say it has benefits. it still doesn't make too much sense as to how they can call it stable or market it as such... lol

 

[SxIstew]

It seems like that definition is more about making a land race strain. Or how to make a strain specifically suited for the environment. Like in Afghanistan where the kush grows wild. Its open pollinated but because there were only a few types of plants around years and years ago theyve almost bread themselves to be similar.

Versus sticking multiple fathers in a mother room and pollinating them all at once and not knowing what got where.

It should just be givin its real name, cluster fuck, instead of open pollination hahaha.

Nope. Clusterfuck is my strain. hahahahha

Since the original Clusterfuck wasn't made, #2 took the place of #1 lol.(Page 38 of this thread...)

 

[bigworm6969]

whatz up stew finally chopped old girl today pv got alot of seeds

 

[bigworm6969]

i know this sounds crazy but i swear some of the seeds r purple, ill take some pics later tonight

 

[SxIstew]

post em up when you get the pics bro

 

[homebrew420]

Nice. Stew this is a great deal of fun I'm sure. Interested to see more of the Spyder from BlackCreek. Ime I have found the intersex trait shown in males is generally lends itself to sightly high fem ratios in progeny. Purely anecdotal evidence currently. I will be testing this in coming months.
Your f5 assumtion to auto purp dream sounds lovely and on point.

Q about the spyder, f2 made? And did she/they go purple from onset of flower? It appears as such.
Lastly how does she smoke?
Peace

 

[homebrew420]

The question of open pollination is answered simple with, diversity. Ones uses this technique to ensure (hopefully) a group of similar plants for better? Selection in the progeny for future generations. I will use multiple males in my OP seed runs. Polyhybids may not be worth the same treatment. If your looking for some traits you want in parents. Hope that makes sense.

Peace

 

[SxIstew]

Nice. Stew this is a great deal of fun I'm sure. Interested to see more of the Spyder from BlackCreek. Ime I have found the intersex trait shown in males is generally lends itself to sightly high fem ratios in progeny. Purely anecdotal evidence currently. I will be testing this in coming months.
Your f5 assumtion to auto purp dream sounds lovely and on point.

Q about the spyder, f2 made? And did she/they go purple from onset of flower? It appears as such.
Lastly how does she smoke?
Peace

I have 5 seeds of the Spyder I may pop next time around(I made them from my first attempt at pollination.)

Dankster~420 has a couple Spyders going right now too.

Yes she is purple all the way beginning to end. ALL males herm(and have purple calyx).

According to the breeder Canned Abyss, the first male to pop is in most cases infertile. But all males that follow are potent and viable....


A very berry taste and smell to her.

Not a top 3 of mine but can be an easy top 10.

I should have done something a bit more with them. I tried to grow in solo cups which killed the overall yield of the strain. Next time I run them I will make sure to put them in MUCH larger pots.

 

[SxIstew]

The question of open pollination is answered simple with, diversity. Ones uses this technique to ensure (hopefully) a group of similar plants for better? Selection in the progeny for future generations. I will use multiple males in my OP seed runs. Polyhybids may not be worth the same treatment. If your looking for some traits you want in parents. Hope that makes sense.

Peace

Yes but the same pistils cannot be pollinated with numerous strains to make a polyhybrid. Only one pollen will produce the seed in a particular calyx..

So say X1 = Male 1(Strain has 3 phenotypes
X2 = male 2(Strain has 3 phenotypes)

Z1 = Female(Strain has 3 phenotypes that resemble some of those above)


So a Z1 x X1 AND X2 at the same time would NOT result in
ZX12
it would be
ZX1 AND ZX2 separate. but on the same plant.

So if the males do not show close to the same characteristics then the resulting progeny will have not only a single stain variance of phenotypes but multiple.
There would be such a variance in phenotype the strain(s) would not be stable.




This is what I have read and come to believe. You have been breeding for a bit and I have seen that. Your knowledge is far more extensive than mine sir. SO PLEASE PUT ME IN MY PLACE. LOL

 

[SxIstew]

Well looks like I have neglected you guys on the pics a little bit.


Been busy with a broken down car. 2 times in 2 weeks. HURRAY! lol.


Once I have my shit done in the AM and get cleaned up a bit I will take pics of the newly developing seeds on everything left in the tent.

I will also pull any seeds from the Cotton Candy that is hanging just before it's too dry. I don't want to crumble the weed when I get my seeds out. lol......

I can let them cure in the jar with the weed in my tubes. lol

Anyways. I will be back to update everything I have been working on, when it comes to breeding, tomorrow.

 

[MrEDuck]

Sorry to hear about your car troubles mate! Woke up to a flat tire that couldn't be patch. Had to call my MIL to get my daughter a ride to school.
Looking forward to your pics!

 

[SxIstew]

I will get the pics ASAP. I am hunting for a ride to the auto parts store right now so I can get a fuckin tool...

 

[MrEDuck]

Just one of those days. Hope it gets better for you!

 

[SxIstew]

Supreme Delight xGDP[male] pollen

Sour Blueberry xGDP[male] pollen

Blue Dream xGDP [male] pollen

Kerala Krush xGDP [male] pollen

Jack Herer xGDP [male] pollen

Blue Dream x Blue Dream [fem] pollen

Original Blueberry xGDP [male] pollen

Blueberry Yum Yum(Sativa pheno) x Blue Dream [fem] pollen

Blueberry Yum Yum(Sativa pheno) xGDP [male] pollen

White 88 G13/Hashplant xGDP [male] pollen

Trainwreck xGDP [male] pollen

Blue Thai xGDP [male] pollen

There you go guys.

I also pulled my Cotton Candy x Blue Dream F1 seeds out today.

Sadly this is ALL of them lol.... I only had a pinch like I said of the BD pollen and a majority went to a Blue Dream.

 

[SxIstew]

I am thinking about changing up the Circus Candy to help me out a bit.

Not sure but this is the newest Idea I have.

(Cotton Candy x Blue Dream F1[fem]) x (Cotton Candy x GDP F1[male])

Then I will inbreed the strongest pheno to F5 generation and hit it with the Cotton Candy x GDP F1[male] pollen


Or should I keep the original mother living and hit the F5 male to her?

This is the last part that I can never fully understand.
Or does it work either way?

 

[budbro18]

im pretty sure you just need one recurring parent but id assume its easier keeping mothers because they wont put off pollen out if you had to mother them and veg em real big. some males might come too mature and let some pollen off. So id go with a recurrent mother and and then work to an f5 and use a male from there. id love to breed if i didnt have to pay the bills with what i grow.

 

[SxIstew]

im pretty sure you just need one recurring parent but id assume its easier keeping mothers because they wont put off pollen out if you had to mother them and veg em real big. some males might come too mature and let some pollen off. So id go with a recurrent mother and and then work to an f5 and use a male from there. id love to breed if i didnt have to pay the bills with what i grow.

Well males would be an easier recurring parent for me if I store the original father's pollen....

That's what I was wondering.. Is it still BXing if you use the father instead of the mother.

The only difference is the cross made. So the original father is xGDP and the mother xBD.

I can always keep the mother growing and hit her in the end with the progeny.
But if I don't have to then the space can be used for a different mother

 

[budbro18]

I figured that cause you got your pollen storage on point, but will the pollen be able to last until the f5 generation?? thats at least 2-3 years if not longer. Especially if you get alot of seeds and grow out 25-50 depending on how hard youre trying to go. haha.

And maybe the mothers have a specific way of passing on traits or certain traits are only inheritable by the mother? Im not too sure.

Id ask subcool if he was still around. Even though he makes f1s hed know whats good.