azomite tea?

[powerslide]

I didnt put any azomite in my soil(FFOR) and i want to stay ahead of the game, does anyone make azomite teas to get all those trace minerals? I have some espoma plant tone and some guano thats like 1-12-1 or something like that. These are moms and i think they are getting a MG def, i hit them w/ 1tsp per gallon of molasses and 1 tbsp per gallon of epsom, tonight. Trying to get a plan for next feeding. Only other thing they have been fed is 1tbsp per gal of fish(now i cant remember if its meal or bone or what) Its a 5-1-1 though. They are about 50 days old, i am not going to flower them just need to have them for clones to do a sog. Does anyone have a tea recipe w/ the above listed items or are they a waste of time? Can Azomite even be made into a tea?

 

[socaljoe]

Do you have powdered azomite? If so, it's kind of soluble in water.

You're probably better of just scratching the azomite into the soil and before you water, just sprinkle it around and be done with it.

 

[tikitoker]

you can add micronized azomite to any tea, its a catylist and they love it, microbes I mean. But IMHO its best served as a granular in the soil. Some soils have a tendancy to exhaust on nutrients as the plant gets bigger, hence the reason to top dress. Azomite is safe and non-burning. In granular it takes longer to dissolve and the rate at which it does, kinda really depends on the microbe population. So when you find yourself falling short on soil nutrients and a dressing is needed theres always a question of wether or not the microbe pop is still high, with the soil being close to depleted an all. The azomite granular is still there and that's gonna be a home or a reason for them to continue to colonize, it food.

 

[tikitoker]

using what you have-------- 5 handfuls of FFOF/ 5gallons mineral water, or/de-chlorinated add in 1 tblsp/5gallon molasses 3tblsp azomite (crushed is best or powdered) if using mineral water reduce to 2 tblsp. 1cup of plain uncooked rolled oats. no need to add Epsom salts as the water source should already have that catalyst along with calcium. also add the fish emulsion for fungal about 5 tblsp/5 gallon Dilution is 1:5 as all are safe and non burning Cannabis benefits most from bacterial dominant teas but I still like to balance them, makes me feel like I have covered both grounds adequately. Tea is ready after fishy smells goes away. Tea will smell mostly earthy but with a hiny of sour and that's slight remnance of the fish but also the bact. Fish tank smell is the way I would describe it.

 

[powerslide]

That is awesome man appreciate it!! Does it matter the temp at which i bubble it? Option is 75-78ish grow room or a shop that ranges from 65-50 looks like this week.

 

[powerslide]

When you say rolled oats is that like oatmeal from the big can? I think that is the case as i just looked at the back of the oatmeal can and it says 100% rolled oats. Do i need all the "solids" dirt and oats in a mesh bag to keep it contained? Or just let it fly?

using what you have-------- 5 handfuls of FFOF/ 5gallons mineral water, or/de-chlorinated add in 1 tblsp/5gallon molasses 3tblsp azomite (crushed is best or powdered) if using mineral water reduce to 2 tblsp. 1cup of plain uncooked rolled oats. no need to add Epsom salts as the water source should already have that catalyst along with calcium. also add the fish emulsion for fungal about 5 tblsp/5 gallon Dilution is 1:5 as all are safe and non burning Cannabis benefits most from bacterial dominant teas but I still like to balance them, makes me feel like I have covered both grounds adequately. Tea is ready after fishy smells goes away. Tea will smell mostly earthy but with a hiny of sour and that's slight remnance of the fish but also the bact. Fish tank smell is the way I would describe it.

 

[tikitoker]

That is awesome man appreciate it!! Does it matter the temp at which i bubble it? Option is 75-78ish grow room or a shop that ranges from 65-50 looks like this week.

I have brewed at 80 before, and it was ready in 12 hours but I was bacterial dominant. Warmer temps will allow bacteria to flourish, its a good temp to quickly awaken the fungal spores but nowhere's near as quick as bacteria. Fungal teas take a tad bit longer and the temps can vary, but like I said before you want a balanced tea, so 60F-70F would be best and let that go for 24-48hrs. It also really depends whats in the tea. Check it out---- hers what I would do. 5 gallons water with 5 handfuls of ffof and 1 handful of oats with azomite. Brew that shit at 75-80 for 2 days. use your sniffer and check every day, smell for an earthy scent. This 2 day at warm temp will jackup the colonization of fungal spores so they will be dominant. Then for the last 12hrs (day 3) add molasses and the fish emulsion for bacteria/fungal. at those temps the bacteria will explode and the finished product will be balanced. use within 12hrs. some like to re bubble any unused tea stock. I disagree with that. you are gonna take the chance that contamination sets in and e. coli is very possible even if you feed the existing populations you brewed, its still not "fresh". some will disagree with me but realistically fuck it, what does it cost to make a new fresh batch? 3 days and $1.50 of materials.-lol my way gives you almost complete control of the microbe dominance and freshness. the more air the better when making tea. I like to use my General Hydroponics Dual Diaphragm air pump 320 gph (20 l/min) the brew really should be a rolling boil. and I use micropore ceramic airstones.

 

[tikitoker]

When you say rolled oats is that like oatmeal from the big can? I think that is the case as i just looked at the back of the oatmeal can and it says 100% rolled oats. Do i need all the "solids" dirt and oats in a mesh bag to keep it contained? Or just let it fly?

either or is fine. a mesh bag works well as it can be placed directly above the airstone and the bubbles knock off the microbes. I brew either way, but if your using oats I wouldn't put those in the bag, the dirt can still go in. I feel the floating/swirling oats gives the fungi something to perch on and colonize. Plus after three days in water those oats are kinda mushy and tend to act like a binder to the soil making it harder imho to knock out/off microbes. Extraction material goes in bag....food is in brew. Then filter everything through before you dilute. I bought a 200 mesh and a 150 hash bags just for compost tea filtering...........and buffering coco. works well to press out the water of coco so your can PH stabilize the coco with nutrients. It is what is holds.

 

[tikitoker]

or go to your local pet supplier and pick up whole oat groats. they are sometimes sold as bird food, and you can crush them at home. but yeah big can is just as good. also a little humic and fulvic acid is the bomb in teas. its like giving crack to them, they explode in growth and you futhur chelated your tea. bonds to ionic metals making them more accesable at a wider PH. calcium is one of those ions

 

[powerslide]

Thanks man, i need to water tomorrow so i'm just going to put it all in tonight and let is cook over night about 75degrees. 5 HF FFOF, 1 cup oats, 3tb sp azomite, 1tb sp molasses, 5 tbsp fish to 5 gallon of water. I only have to use this on 3 3 gallon pots and a couple 1 galloner's so i will be wasting a little but oh well like you said most of it is pretty cheap. How often should i use azo in tea? Once or twice a grow if i didnt get it into the soil? Is it that important to strain it?

Does anyone know if these brews put off any CO2?

 

[tikitoker]

Thanks man, i need to water tomorrow so i'm just going to put it all in tonight and let is cook over night about 75degrees. 5 HF FFOF, 1 cup oats, 3tb sp azomite, 1tb sp molasses, 5 tbsp fish to 5 gallon of water. I only have to use this on 3 3 gallon pots and a couple 1 galloner's so i will be wasting a little but oh well like you said most of it is pretty cheap. How often should i use azo in tea? Once or twice a grow if i didnt get it into the soil? Is it that important to strain it?

Does anyone know if these brews put off any CO2?

azomite is not going to burn, it does however contains trace amounts of heavy metals so use discretion as these can accumulate if your overdoing it. I would figure you can use it (based on an 8week veg and an 8week bloom) 8 times since your gonna crush/powder it and its 75-90% available when you feed/water. as far as the co2. I am very well versed in mycology and microbiology and grow my own shrooms, and yes they do put off c02, but in the tea I would say its not enough to make any impact on your plants metabolism. if you want c02 enrichment buy a 5# tank from your local beer brewing supply. tank and a regulator about 75 dollars

 

[tikitoker]

straining it is just my personal preference as I like to foliar a lot. this is mine 12 hours in PH is high but mycorhizal fungi wont awaken if phosphoric levels are high, so I add citric acid to PH down when the brew is finished. I use azomite, purple cow activated compost, my own personal compost with amino acids, humic and fulvic acid concentrate powder, calcium nitrate and magnesium sulfate, vitamin B complex, agavi necter, kelp extract and rolled oats. also I add fungal and bacterial inoculation.

 

[Wetdog]

Not getting it into the soil is sorta defeating the whole purpose of using it.

No matter how much you wish it, it really doesn't dissolve, just sorta goes into suspension. It's ground up rock, not sugar. Well, a clay actually, but still.

Top dress with some to be sure, then have at it with the teas and experiment.

Wet

 

[powerslide]

I let it cook 24hrs and just left the bubbler going while I dipped out the sauce. If it was floating it got dumped in. I'm sure majority sank to the bottom of the bucket but hopefully some of it made it in. How much top dress should I give 3gallon moms if I decide to do it? Since I hit them a couple days ago w/ molasses and Epsom I feel like they aren't yellowing/Browning the large leaaves anymore. I will water straight water a couple times see how it looks

 

[SpicySativa]

Azomite goes in your soil, not in your tea... Just mix some into your soil next round. Use kelp for trace minerals this round, and you will be fine.

Like Wetdog said, azomite is not soluble... Neither are "soluble" microbial products. Salts dissolve, rocks and living organisms don't.

 

[SpicySativa]

straining it is just my personal preference as I like to foliar a lot. this is mine 12 hours in PH is high but mycorhizal fungi wont awaken if phosphoric levels are high, so I add citric acid to PH down when the brew is finished. I use azomite, purple cow activated compost, my own personal compost with amino acids, humic and fulvic acid concentrate powder, calcium nitrate and magnesium sulfate, vitamin B complex, agavi necter, kelp extract and rolled oats. also I add fungal and bacterial inoculation.

I apologize if this sounds harsh, but I gotta set a couple things straight here:

*Adjusting pH of tea is a bad idea. The bacteria and fungi produce substances that bring the pH to the level where they want it, and our job as organic gardener is to keep them happy. Any pH between 5 and 8 is just fine for a compost tea.

*Mycorrhizal fungi need LIVING ROOTS to germinate and grow. Adding them to tea is just a waste. They will not inoculate your plants. The only effective way to use mycorrhizal products is to apply them DIRECTLY TO YOUR ROOTS when you transplant.

*Calcium nitrate and magnesium sulfate have no place in organic teas. Calcium nitrate is not even approved for organic production. It's a synthetic chemical fertilizer salt (BAD). Magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt) can be used to fix a magnesium deficiency, but just adding it for the sake of adding it is a bad idea.

Hope that clears things up a little. :/

 

[Wetdog]

For 3 gallon moms? 1 or 2 tbl of Azomite on the surface should do ya. Scratch it in a bit if you can, but the regular waterings will work it in.

Wet

 

[powerslide]

I scratched in the azomite at the lower end of the spectrum. I think the mums were just getting hungry. Ever since i hit them w/ the epsom and fish they stopped dropping yellowing so many bottom leaves. I was buying some more FFOF today to transplant a couple more clones into 3 gallon pots and found some kelp so i bought it. Going to look and see what kind of kelp recipes i can find around here. Thanks guys