canndo
Well-Known Member
I have recently encountered a new (to me anyway) scam, or... partial scam. They are knock off Watsons and now, knock off lortab and percoset.
I don't know who is making them, I suspect I know where they are coming from but I have experience with knock off or counterfit pills.
Now, I am making up the definitions here - a knock off being akin to the real thing in formulation, that is, a knock off watson will have about the same amount of APAP and the same amount of hydro. A counterfit may not have any of the standard drug in it at all. I have seen some of these pills of late that I suspect are heroin based and probably have no hydro in them at all.
Some know I have had extensive experience with pills and I learned to detect counterfits after 1987, the year that Quaaludes were outlawed. the bevels on these pills were not clean, when aligned, the score was either off center or not random as they are in authentic quaaludes. Most pills are polished, or finished to a high gloss, these are not. Most pills are within a few mg of being the same weight, these vary by as much as 50 mg. The color of the pills have subtle variations and some, that are supposed to be talc white are off white or even brownish.
Bio-analysis has me suspect that some of them are simply slightly less potent but it could be that the binders are not of the same quality and alter bioavailabilty - I'm not sure. And I have encountered some that simply don't do anything at all.
Finally, and this just occurred to me, there are more and more counterfit OC 40's and 80's around as well. I have not seen these in 80's form that work at all. The 40's come in variations of colors and coatings from metalic gold to dull yellow. They are not in any way time release and the bevels are usually crude. Interestingly, the ones from any single batch do not vary much in weight.
I don't know what to think of these things but I am curious if anyone else has encountered them. I am sure they are black market only, are sold loose in every case (though legitimate ones can be as well). Anyone?
I don't know who is making them, I suspect I know where they are coming from but I have experience with knock off or counterfit pills.
Now, I am making up the definitions here - a knock off being akin to the real thing in formulation, that is, a knock off watson will have about the same amount of APAP and the same amount of hydro. A counterfit may not have any of the standard drug in it at all. I have seen some of these pills of late that I suspect are heroin based and probably have no hydro in them at all.
Some know I have had extensive experience with pills and I learned to detect counterfits after 1987, the year that Quaaludes were outlawed. the bevels on these pills were not clean, when aligned, the score was either off center or not random as they are in authentic quaaludes. Most pills are polished, or finished to a high gloss, these are not. Most pills are within a few mg of being the same weight, these vary by as much as 50 mg. The color of the pills have subtle variations and some, that are supposed to be talc white are off white or even brownish.
Bio-analysis has me suspect that some of them are simply slightly less potent but it could be that the binders are not of the same quality and alter bioavailabilty - I'm not sure. And I have encountered some that simply don't do anything at all.
Finally, and this just occurred to me, there are more and more counterfit OC 40's and 80's around as well. I have not seen these in 80's form that work at all. The 40's come in variations of colors and coatings from metalic gold to dull yellow. They are not in any way time release and the bevels are usually crude. Interestingly, the ones from any single batch do not vary much in weight.
I don't know what to think of these things but I am curious if anyone else has encountered them. I am sure they are black market only, are sold loose in every case (though legitimate ones can be as well). Anyone?
