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BaroqueObammer

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ChesusRice said:
Yes I am sure OJ was "Innocent" of killing two white people with the not guilty verdict he got
And I am sure those 3 white cops were "Innocent" not beating Rodney King with the original not guilty verdict they got
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I'm happy they beat rodney kings crackhead ass.. what kind of a tard thinks that running from the cops will lead to them nicely asking you to go to jail. He deserved it.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Dr Kynes said:
no it is not.
the 380 acp is unrelated to the european 9mm family of cartridges, it was designed from the ground up by john browing specifically for his line of semi automatic pistols in 1907.
in europe the .380acp is called the 9mm Browning, 9mm corto, 9mm kurz, etc.

the 9mm most commonly used is the Parabellum, often called the 9mm Luger or the 9x19 mm designed in 1908, and thats what zimmerman used.

the two rounds are NOT compatible.

there is also a .357 sig, 38 special, 357 magnum, 28 super auto, 38 S&W, the 38 Colt New police, 357 maximum, 35 remington, 9mm makarov, a 9mm largo, and a few other obsolete or rarely used cartridges which also use a .380/9mm bore.
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Slight disambiguation.
The 9mm autoloader family uses a .355" bullet diameter (bore diameter typically .346")
The .38/.357 wheelgun cartridges favor a bullet diameter of .357 to .358 inches with a bore diameter of .350'.
The 9mm Makarov is actually a .366" (bullet diameter) round, a diameter it shares with such older European cartridges such as the 9.3x74R, a heavy rifle round for break-open actions.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Harrekin said:
Meh, it's a shorter 9mm cartridge...

Everything else is semantics that only Americans care about.
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The one thing that is not semantic is design pressure.
The .380 aka 9mm Kurz uses a low 18000 cup (approx. psi, as per Speer manual #8. Wiki states 21500 psi) pressure, as suitable for guns that operate by simple blowback like most petticoat pistols.
The 9mm Parabellum uses a different and slightly tapered case design suited to high pressures (between 35000 and 40000+ cup, depending on source) and guns that either delay their blowback (pistols) or fire from a heavier open bolt (subguns). Cartridge case and bullet designs are not interchangeable between the two, with few and subpar exceptions.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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cannabineer said:
The one thing that is not semantic is design pressure.
The .380 aka 9mm Kurz uses a low 18000 cup (approx. psi, as per Speer manual #8. Wiki states 21500 psi) pressure, as suitable for guns that operate by simple blowback like most petticoat pistols.
The 9mm Parabellum uses a different and slightly tapered case design suited to high pressures (between 35000 and 40000+ cup, depending on source) and guns that either delay their blowback (pistols) or fire from a heavier open bolt (subguns). Cartridge case and bullet designs are not interchangeable between the two, with few and subpar exceptions.
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When we had handguns here, 9mm was just "9mm" and there were no variants except "cheap" and "expensive", but it still just seems silly arguing over such small details on something with so little relevance to everyday life.
 
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BossHoggins

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cannabineer said:
The one thing that is not semantic is design pressure.
The .380 aka 9mm Kurz uses a low 18000 cup (approx. psi, as per Speer manual #8. Wiki states 21500 psi) pressure, as suitable for guns that operate by simple blowback like most petticoat pistols.
The 9mm Parabellum uses a different and slightly tapered case design suited to high pressures (between 35000 and 40000+ cup, depending on source) and guns that either delay their blowback (pistols) or fire from a heavier open bolt (subguns). Cartridge case and bullet designs are not interchangeable between the two, with few and subpar exceptions.
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oo, nice point. However if I remember correctly most reload dies use a carbide ring for sizing the 9mm, (no need to rely on memory, I checked. Yes they do) making it a straight walled die. Having such a slight taper really doesn't do anything for it, otherwise they wouldn't straight wall it with the dies. The 10mm operates at similar high pressures (37,500 SAAMI) and is straight walled from the factory, and I'm sure there are many more examples. I get at least 3 reloads using Starline brass without cracks, usually 5.

While cases are not interchangeable (2mm difference), the projectiles could be. Projectiles between 9mm and .380 are the exact same diameter, .355. A typical 9mm fires a 115 grain bullet, and a .380 maxes out at 115 grains, but is typically in the 90s. Technically.. you could load the same projectile in either round if you found the data for it, but most people don't because the ballistics would suffer. I would expect that firing a 95 grain projectile in a 9mm would likely tumble pretty easily under a standard powder charge, and a 115 in a .380 would be slow if you could even find room for the powder. But.. a .355 is a .355. The only difference is the weight. You can get both in TMJ, FMJ, JHP, etc..

Gotta love reloading! My new, unfired brass pistol rounds typically cost 35 cents each, lowering to 12 cents each after that for reloads, all including the cost of primers and powder. Sure beats a buck a round off the shelf. *hugs his Dillion press*
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
No, you're not. It's like morphine, you will be back cause you're racist, cause everybody around here is racist except for the enlightened ones.
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no, just the people that say things like "obama is an affirmative action president!" based on zero evidence whatsoever, or who follow statements like that up with gems about how blacks hate being educated or "speaking properly".

there are many conservatives who i vehemently disagree with politcally (doer, muyloco, trousers, et al) and have never called racist because they don't say racist things.

take your smug indignance and self-righteousness to a venue that will more readily embrace your views, like stormfront.

but i bet even on stormfront, they hate rats like you that wish federal prison time on people if they dare vote for the wrong candidate.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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UncleBuck said:
no, just the people that say things like "obama is an affirmative action president!" based on zero evidence whatsoever, or who follow statements like that up with gems about how blacks hate being educated or "speaking properly".

there are many conservatives who i vehemently disagree with politcally (doer, muyloco, trousers, et al) and have never called racist because they don't say racist things.

take your smug indignance and self-righteousness to a venue that will more readily embrace your views, like stormfront.

but i bet even on stormfront, they hate rats like you that wish federal prison time on people if they dare vote for the wrong candidate.
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The mudscuttle has foam around his mouth.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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UncleBuck said:
no, perfectly calm.

i bet it pisses you off that even conservatives like trousers recognize you for what you are.
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I am not all that familiar with Trousers, but he certainly does not seem to be a conservative.

I know perfectly well what I am, and I am content. You don't get to define me in any way, but you are cute when you try.
 
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spandy

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UncleBuck said:
no, perfectly calm.

i bet it pisses you off that even conservatives like trousers recognize you for what you are.
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If I was on a dope growing forum and someone in the political section called me names and didn't agree with my opinion, it would really, really hurt my feelings.
 
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