flushing question

[Sand4x105]

When all competing manufacturers (AN, GH, Dynagro, whoever) of the same product (hydro fert) collectively agree on the same single issue (discontinuing nutes in the final week), they have a reason. They arent dumb. Thats all I wanted to say

And, all you are saying is: they do not flush, or advocate flushing, they advise a discontinue of their product in the end... This has nothing to do with a classic flush... which some here on RIU get confused about....using only water the last week of a grow is not flushing your plant... That is not flushing....
Anyway, I do not think, I would ever buy a product that would tell me not to use it.... that my friend is a poke to your common sense receptor .... danger-danger-danger

 

[Jbone77]

And, all you are saying is: they do not flush, or advocate flushing, they advise a discontinue of their product in the end... This has nothing to do with a classic flush... which some here on RIU get confused about....using only water the last week of a grow is not flushing your plant... That is not flushing....
Anyway, I do not think, I would ever buy a product that would tell me not to use it.... that my friend is a poke to your common sense receptor .... danger-danger-danger

A flush to fix a problem is dumping 5x the volume of water thru a pot, a final flush is discontinuing nutes in the final week, iv said it many times now. Just wanted to clear that up. Enjoy flushing or not

 

[chuck estevez]

A flush to fix a problem is dumping 5x the volume of water thru a pot, a final flush is discontinuing nutes in the final week, iv said it many times now. Just wanted to clear that up. Enjoy flushing or not

I will at least give you the credit of NOT claiming that you do this for white ash or better taste, or to remove nutes from the buds. Using just water the last week to use up whatever is left in the soil sounds reasonable if your pumping high ppms.

 

[Trousers]

A flush to fix a problem is dumping 5x the volume of water thru a pot, a final flush is discontinuing nutes in the final week, iv said it many times now. Just wanted to clear that up. Enjoy flushing or not

I have been operating under the assumption that a final flush is running a large amount of water through a pot to wash away stuff. I have posted as much and you kept after me.

Watering with plain water normally is not flushing.

 

[Trousers]

Exactly.

If it were available here in UK I would get an analysis done and scan the reports to show conclusive proof of whether anything had changed for better or worse from flushing vs not.


Everything I've ever read about rootzone, rhizosphere, osmotic pressure, uptake availability etc leads me to the conclusion that flushing isn't necessary.

Yep. I can't find any evidence that flushing is beneficial.

I was reading another thread last night about senescence. That flushing enduces the premature senescence in a plant which happens naturally anyway.

Then there was an article about tomatoes in an edition of URBAN GARDEN MAGAZINE whereby flushing causes the osmotic pressure in the roots to kind of explode allowing a massive uptake of just water which causes split tomatoes. Now obviously this is tomatoes and not MJ.

We got 6 inches of rain in a few days and my tomatoes exploded like nobody's business.

I just wish someone would do a side by side test and post the analysed results for all to see.


All I know is that since I stopped flushing I'm getting bigger harvests with healthier plants with more flavour and aroma.




J

Me too. Testing is expensive, maybe I'll call someone who can test and ask them some questions.

 

[Jbone77]

Read my previous posts to you, I clearly stated several times a final flush is discontinuing nutes and watering til normal run off

 

[Trousers]

That is not t he definition I and most people have been operating on.
A flush is running a bunch of water through your pots.

Watering with no run off is what I do all the time, except for an occasional tea added.

Read the links about roots and uptake and consider stop using those expensive, bottled, synthetic nutes and make your own.

 

[harris hawk]

You DO NOT want to feed your plant with nutrients when you flush, other wise it will be a waste of time, you fflush to "clean" the plant

 

[harris hawk]

You DO NOT want to feed your plant with nutrients when you flush, other wise it will be a waste of time, you flush to "clean" the plant

 

[Jaxtaz]

I don't think it matters either way. I think fertilizers are made up more then they really are. nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K). These are all common compounds. Other then that is microbes to help form a covalent bond to help feed the roots to maximize intake. Flush or feed to the end, who gives a fu*k!
Stony thought here but, you grow a whole plant cycle (3-4 months) in fertilized soil, you add more NPK values using concentrate. You think one flushing is gonna make a difference? Did you think that FFOF soil that you just flushed has no more NPK, microbes and left over salts in the soil?

 

[Jbone77]

I don't think it matters either way. I think fertilizers are made up more then they really are. nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K). These are all common compounds. Other then that is microbes to help form a covalent bond to help feed the roots to maximize intake. Flush or feed to the end, who gives a fu*k!
Stony thought here but, you grow a whole plant cycle (3-4 months) in fertilized soil, you add more NPK values using concentrate. You think one flushing is gonna make a difference? Did you think that FFOF soil that you just flushed has no more NPK, microbes and left over salts in the soil?

I normally dont debate soil growers methodology but il try, when you spend all that money on fox farm soil, why would you add synthetic nutes and not make teas?

 

[Jaxtaz]

I normally dont debate soil growers methodology but il try, when you spend all that money on fox farm soil, why would you add synthetic nutes and not make teas?

That's my point , there's no difference. NPK is NPK. With it coming from bat shit or a lab. Theirs a million different ways to make common compounds, these people make money off it.
Organic or synthetic, isn't it a bit redundant to try to flush away what makes a plant a plant?

 

[Jbone77]

Im done with the flushing part of it, I grow in hempy buckets with synthetic nutes, my question was why use high dollar organic soil and add synthetic nutes? If you want to use synthetics nutes go soilless or hydro.

 

[Jaxtaz]

Im done with the flushing part of it, I grow in hempy buckets with synthetic nutes, my question was why use high dollar organic soil and add synthetic nutes? If you want to use synthetics nutes go soilless or hydro.

I'm perplexed why you find this unorthodox.

 

[Jbone77]

Organic soil is alive, teas and organic top dressing feeds organic soil.

 

[Thecouchlock]

*There are a lot of asshole remarks floating around this thread*

On that note, anyone who is saying "the nutrient manufacturers say to stop feeding the last week or two." That is not a flush, I don't understand what you don't get about the instructions to stop feeding having nothing to do with flushing. So please stop fighting a losing battle people and lets all go toke another bowl.

Btw I have done flushing in both hydro and soil, what I prefer for my very own smoke is to just use water in my last week of feeding... guess what my shit turns out beautiful.

 

[Jbone77]

Go to the GH, AN, Dynagro website, look at what week 8 says, now email or call them and ask them what they mean by that week 8 word, then tell me what they say

 

[RandySkunk]

My 10 yr opinion is anything that has not been flushed with Florakleen is an inferior product no If's And's or But's about it. Giving ur plant 3x's the normal water is drowning it and spreading the watering out over time is just that, watering. You will always have some sort of build up from the growing process, organic or not. All food even food made from other plants will over time and process have a build up of some level of mineral at the very least and there is a noticeable difference if u dont use this product. It makes ur buds have their natural taste and that nice clean crisp snap to the taste. I have tested this many many times and not just with my own garden but others who feel theirs is awesome. It is not unless you use this product.

 

[Cobnobuler]

My 10 yr opinion is anything that has not been flushed with Florakleen is an inferior product no If's And's or But's about it. .

.....Meaning then about 98 % of the growers here turn out an inferior product. ?

 

[Jack Harer]

These flushing threads are SUCH great entertainment. I know, i don't flush and don't have a dog in the fight, but back when I was into my first couple of grows, I had a P and a CalMag issue my first 2 grows. I was told it was "nute burn" and since I was (GASP!) using chemical salt nutes, I was told to flush a ton of water thru my soil in an effort to "flush" that shit otta there. It made total sense to me at the time, so I did. I don't believe I stressed the plants out, and I'm sure it was a better move to try and remove the water soluable crap, but I have since learned. I also quit the chemicals too. Organics will not rinse out like salts, hence it would be a wasted effort for me, even if I believed in it. A lot of the more experienced growers explained to me that they usually "flushed" (I like the term "Rinsed") once after veg, and once in flower just before harvest, as a precaution against a salt build up in the soil. (Small pots, 4 or more months of putting salts in the soil) And they believed it worked. It also makes a good deal of sense if you grow from seed using chem ferts.
It doesn't stress the plants to run that amount thru the root system, and if it gives you a warm fuzzy, It's all good. It will not IMHO remove anything stored up in the plant tissues (IF there is anything stored at all Im starting to think) I can see where there would be some rational support for rinsing out an OD of chem nutes, but no supporting evidence that one can flush out the tissue of a plant even if one ran Lake Michigan thru the root system. If you like the practice, God bless you! IMHO you do a whole lot of extra work for nothing, but hey, you go Boi!! I'll not bash you for it. But please do not bash me or my Bud by inferring that it is somehow inferior. My money goes on good, organically grown unflushed bud over bud grown in chemical salts and flushed everytime!! No comparison.