Mycorrhiza 101...

[cannawizard]

It didnt take long for the fungus to infest the roots of these seeds. The fungus will continue to propagate and infest as the root system develops.

Mycorrhizal application is easy and requires no special equipment. The goal is to create physical contact between the mycorrhizal inoculant and the plant root. Mycorrhizal inoculant can be sprinkled onto roots during transplanting, worked into seed beds, blended into potting soil, "watered in" via existing irrigation systems, applied as a root dip gel or probed into the root zone of existing plants. The type of application depends upon the conditions and needs of the applicator.

Mix it in at the roots and try to make direct root contact to make the infection earlier and stronger.

great pic good info too~

#cheer$

 

[bdonson]

Not trying to be a turd it just comes naturally to me but has anyone considered that the myco in the picture with the seedlings is mold? I mean mold grows well in that environment,, i'm just sayin Here is a link to a pdf file of a newsletter from UC Davis some of which concerns myco inoculation's and some of what they have learned. I found this link in this forum but I don't remember who posted it. Sorry to whom ever that may be anyway if you have read this far this newsletter should be a breeze and help make things clear as mud cheers http://ceventura.ucdavis.edu/newsletters/Topics_in_Subtropics39882.pdf

 

[Malevolence]

Same thang. How are the fungi being fed? Where are they getting their carbos necessary to sustain their growth.

molasses...

 

[cannawizard]

molasses...

the rhizo also exudes certain "sugars/carbs chains" that feed bennies (the plant can also pick which fungi it will foster,) --or so i've heard

table sugar / brown sugar also works in substitute for molasses~

#cheer$

 

[wyteboi]

This blew my mind. So you could theoretically apply this during germination to the tap root before planting it into it's first container?

no , not theoretically .... you can put them right on the roots anytime. as said before the benefits are up to the medium an the plant , but i would do everyone just incase!

Not trying to be a turd it just comes naturally to me but has anyone considered that the myco in the picture with the seedlings is mold? I mean mold grows well in that environment,, i'm just sayin Here is a link to a pdf file of a newsletter from UC Davis some of which concerns myco inoculation's and some of what they have learned. I found this link in this forum but I don't remember who posted it. Sorry to whom ever that may be anyway if you have read this far this newsletter should be a breeze and help make things clear as mud cheers http://ceventura.ucdavis.edu/newsletters/Topics_in_Subtropics39882.pdf

i will read the info you provided , but its very clear to see that the said pic is not mold , its roots growing extentions. there was no food on that table so thats when the myco really trys to help the roots reach out to find some..... on the other hand if those seeds were in good soil , the myco would not help near as much if at all.

the rhizo also exudes certain "sugars/carbs chains" that feed bennies (the plant can also pick which fungi it will foster,) --or so i've heard

table sugar / brown sugar also works in substitute for molasses~

#cheer$

thats the beauty of sybosis or whatever its called! the plants exudes sugars, the bennies eat them an they work together to grow your girls for you. i love organics!





soil

 

[Uncle Ben]

Not trying to be a turd it just comes naturally to me but has anyone considered that the myco in the picture with the seedlings is mold?

Yep, looks like mold to me. An old friend of mine who is literally a legend in a certain ag biz told me myco does not work in container environments.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I found this link in this forum but I don't remember who posted it.

Me. It should be required reading with a test required before you're allowed to post to Advanced.

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/479798-snake-oil-horticultural-myths-horticultural.html

 

[cannawizard]

Yep, looks like mold to me. An old friend of mine who is literally a legend in a certain ag biz told me myco does not work in container environments.

i was gonna type something explaining why, but i lost interest~ guess ppl can figure it out themselves

 

[bdonson]

ya I knew it was you but didn't want to say so in the hopes more people would read it you old shit stirrer you Cheers Ben. p.s. The reason tho I ask if it might be mold is the way whatever it is grows across the medium whether it attaches to a root structure or not. Maybe it is myco but it's also a great environment to grow mold..I'm just sayin... cheers

Me. It should be required reading with a test required before you're allowed to post to Advanced.

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/479798-snake-oil-horticultural-myths-horticultural.html

 

[Malevolence]

An old friend of mine who is literally a legend in a certain ag biz told me myco does not work in container environments.

why not?

asdfadsfasdf

 

[Uncle Ben]

ya I knew it was you but didn't want to say so in the hopes more people would read it you old shit stirrer you Cheers Ben. p.s. The reason tho I ask if it might be mold is the way whatever it is grows across the medium whether it attaches to a root structure or not. Maybe it is myco but it's also a great environment to grow mold..I'm just sayin... cheers

I've seen mold grow on wet cardboard.

 

[Uncle Ben]

why not?

asdfadsfasdf

Don't know. He did an experiment with perennials in pots. 25 got the myco treatment, 25 did not. After a couple of years there was no improvement in the treated plant material. All he told me was he read some article in a pro magazine which verified his failed results. I didn't ask him about the science of it all.

Read the link. It really goes into detail about the snake oil side of myco supplements, much better than I can.

 

[Malevolence]

I read pages 5 and 6, but saw no mention of container growing (unless it was on a page I did not read). What I took away from the article is the myco does not produce any noticeable benefits because most soil people use already has plenty of microbes, or the products they use are 'trash' more or less.

Mycorrhizae are not snake oil.

Many of the numerous scientific papers written on mycorrhizal fungi do not indicate that mycorrhizae are necessarily lacking from most soils, or that the products used to add them to soil are viable.

This does not address some soils might be lacking, hydroponics and inert media, or products that DO work... neither is it specific to container growing.

As for the Biological control section, I have proven to myself, multiple times, using bennies for biological control does indeed work, and anyone that grows in DWC can verify this. Because of where I live and my local microbial environment, my DWC buckets get slime very quickly over the course of 48 hours if I do not use bennies. All I have to do is add Aquashield (liquid chicken shit) twice a week and I have no pythium issues, even at upper 70* which is unheard of for DWC without bennies. Not only do the bennies prevent slime, they allow you to run higher temps and they can suppress algae blooms from light leaks.

I have also proven to myself in my garden, my tap water WILL make both Aquashield and Heisenberg Tea ineffective, because I get immediately slimed as if I used no bennies at all. But treating my water with aquarium tap water conditioner neutralizes the chloramine with sodium thiosulfate, and the bennies do their job and roots remain slime-free.

The biological control is accomplished by having such a diverse population of microbes (many guilds of species as the article would say) so that no one species (pythium) can become dominant. All that said, I cannot figure out if the paragraph is talking about fungi specifically... but a combination of fungi, bacteria, and nematodes are used in Heisenberg Tea and it is very effective at biological control.

https://www.rollitup.org/dwc-bubbleponics/361430-dwc-root-slime-cure-aka.html

Due to the tremendous number of variables in "brewing" compost teas (ph, fermentation time, water source and content, temperature, added nutrients, feedstocks and aerated vs. not) the results are hard to replicate and quite variable; this makes studies hard to publish.

I also have an issue with the Compost Teas section, because they can be brewed at home using consistent variables and a consistent recipe with ingredients that many people from the community agree are effective because they can actually see the roots recover.

Now, this might all be a moot point because the article seems to specifically talk about soil growing, but I do think it is important to make the distinction between mediums and grow methods when talking about bennies. All I am trying to do is find out why someone would say bennies don't work in container grows because I've never heard that before, and also say bennies do work to control root rot in hydroponics, and most likely soil too honestly. The principal of a diverse population of species preventing any one from dominating should apply regardless of media.

Thanks for the read.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Malevolence, good luck on your quest. Being a soil grower and a KISS mofo, I don't have the issues you hydro guys do.

 

[tooteefrootee]

yeah, its a real shame, but there is some good info if you can get past the fact that i told off Jesus himself, lol.

hey jberry I myself would like to thank you for the work you do and the extensive time you take to share your learning experience with others who are trying to learn..like myself there is another user on riu, name homebrewer. my god, that guy seeks out advanced nutrient users just to fn hate on them and sell his dyna gro crap. I hate those on riu that only have a purpose to seek out certain growers just to f*@k with them. they need to get a life or go jerk off in a closet or something lol. but anyway, im really torn on this trichoderma thing ive seen bits and details on. great white has trichoderma while xtremes mykos is a single bacteria according to the label. im catching some details that trichoderma eat and overtake some of the glomus intradices and other beneficials before they can even propogate. my grow consists of a 60 port aeroflo and soil plants. I do both. right now I have xtreme azos,calcarb,mykos, and I have orca,jellyfish,and great white. spending is not an issue for me and for my organic soil plants I do an aact at least once a week. can u recommend an incoculation and maintenance regimen for me that would be most beneficial for my situation? I have a great room with co2 and environment control. so far, ive brewed teas and used myan microzyme from Humboldt to start my tea brew and after 48 hours I add azos and mykos wp just before feeding to my plants. I know u know your shit when it comes to beneficials and I would love and appreciate very much if you could recommend a regimen for me. thank u sir, I appreciate it

 

[cottee]

Hi

I read pages 5 and 6, but saw no mention of container growing (unless it was on a page I did not read). What I took away from the article is the myco does not produce any noticeable benefits because most soil people use already has plenty of microbes, or the products they use are 'trash' more or less.





This does not address some soils might be lacking, hydroponics and inert media, or products that DO work... neither is it specific to container growing.

As for the Biological control section, I have proven to myself, multiple times, using bennies for biological control does indeed work, and anyone that grows in DWC can verify this. Because of where I live and my local microbial environment, my DWC buckets get slime very quickly over the course of 48 hours if I do not use bennies. All I have to do is add Aquashield (liquid chicken shit) twice a week and I have no pythium issues, even at upper 70* which is unheard of for DWC without bennies. Not only do the bennies prevent slime, they allow you to run higher temps and they can suppress algae blooms from light leaks.

I have also proven to myself in my garden, my tap water WILL make both Aquashield and Heisenberg Tea ineffective, because I get immediately slimed as if I used no bennies at all. But treating my water with aquarium tap water conditioner neutralizes the chloramine with sodium thiosulfate, and the bennies do their job and roots remain slime-free.

The biological control is accomplished by having such a diverse population of microbes (many guilds of species as the article would say) so that no one species (pythium) can become dominant. All that said, I cannot figure out if the paragraph is talking about fungi specifically... but a combination of fungi, bacteria, and nematodes are used in Heisenberg Tea and it is very effective at biological control.

https://www.rollitup.org/dwc-bubbleponics/361430-dwc-root-slime-cure-aka.html



I also have an issue with the Compost Teas section, because they can be brewed at home using consistent variables and a consistent recipe with ingredients that many people from the community agree are effective because they can actually see the roots recover.

Now, this might all be a moot point because the article seems to specifically talk about soil growing, but I do think it is important to make the distinction between mediums and grow methods when talking about bennies. All I am trying to do is find out why someone would say bennies don't work in container grows because I've never heard that before, and also say bennies do work to control root rot in hydroponics, and most likely soil too honestly. The principal of a diverse population of species preventing any one from dominating should apply regardless of media.

Thanks for the read.

Hi dude what product do u use to condition ur water