If you think homosexuality is an unnatural condition...

Greatest I am

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Why are you leaving out the bit where you slip "defective" in there?

Just not putting superfluous material in. I am a twofingered typist.

Sometime it is better to go slow and get past one concept ata time.

Did you think those reading this O P so short of memory thatthey would forget my position?

Tsk. Tsk.

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DL
 

Beefbisquit

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I should point out that by G.I.A.'s own twisted logic, anyone who doesn't have kids is also defective because they don't contribute to the continuation of the species. That is the qualifier he put on his definition of the term "defect".
 

Beefbisquit

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I should point out that by G.I.A.'s own twisted logic, anyone who doesn't have kids is also defective because they don't contribute to the continuation of the species. That is the qualifier he put on his definition of the term "defect".

You are right that it is all about intolerance but my answeris still the most honest.

Telling a member of a species that must reproduce to sustainitself that it is not a defect to not have the motivation or desire toreproduce with one from the opposite sex, is the truth and not a lie.

If all of us had that defect, the species would die out.

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise thanas they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they mustnecessarily be created for the best end.”

The best end for a human or any animal is to pass on hisgenes.

If not having the sexual drive that sustains life is not agenetic defect then what is it?

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DL
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Homosexuality in no form is a natural thing. It is by its own mean a genetic anomially caused by a genetic flaw. These basic facts by definition make homosexuality a non normal occurrence or happening. As far as choice it is and it isn't. The choice that is made comes from that persons feeling they are not attracted to the opposite sex but the same sex so they choose to follow that urge or feeling from the norm. They don't choose their feelings just which life style they will live with. They could choose to ignore their own feeling and follow a standard heterosexual life style which would make them unhappy so they choose which life style they will live but do not choose to be born with the genetic defect that makes then abnormal.
 

Beefbisquit

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Homosexuality in no form is a natural thing. It is by its own mean a genetic anomially caused by a genetic flaw. These basic facts by definition make homosexuality a non normal occurrence or happening. As far as choice it is and it isn't. The choice that is made comes from that persons feeling they are not attracted to the opposite sex but the same sex so they choose to follow that urge or feeling from the norm. They don't choose their feelings just which life style they will live with. They could choose to ignore their own feeling and follow a standard heterosexual life style which would make them unhappy so they choose which life style they will live but do not choose to be born with the genetic defect that makes then abnormal.

Yeah, we've already been over this....

There's evidence that suggests homosexuality not only isn't a defect, but that it plays specific roles in sustaining many, many mammalian species. Also, the amount of evidence supporting the idea that homosexuality stems from many factors far outweighs the 'strictly DNA' theory. How can you ignore so many scientific studies and maintain your patently incorrect view? It's so sad it's almost comical.....almost.

Also, if homosexuality isn't natural, why does it occur in nature?
 

Heisenberg

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Many homosexuals have both the desire and ability to not only procreate, but to produce healthy viable offspring. The only difference, the one defining variable, is in the enjoyment. We know this because homosexuals report it as so and we can see the numbers that seek to be parents. Unless they are all faking it, which is an idea on the level of conspiracy theory. So the position becomes "You do not enjoy the same sort of sex that others enjoy, so your basic existence is flawed." You reduce people to the arbitrary factor of what makes them feel good and decide that it means they are less than you. This may fit with your worldview and make you feel comfortable, but it is not a reflection of the reality that the rest of us experience. That makes you a bigot who dehumanizes people in order to make yourself feel like you have it figured out. Can you follow the logic trail on that?
 

Greatest I am

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I should point out that by G.I.A.'s own twisted logic, anyone who doesn't have kids is also defective because they don't contribute to the continuation of the species. That is the qualifier he put on his definition of the term "defect".

When arguments fail, fools turn to lies.

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DL
 

Beefbisquit

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When arguments fail, fools turn to lies.

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DL
Greatest I am said:
Telling a member of a species that must reproduce to sustainitself that it is not a defect to not have the motivation or desire toreproduce with one from the opposite sex, is the truth and not a lie.
Midst the double negatives, you state that not having the desire to reproduce with the opposite sex is a defect. Therefore, people who don't want kids are defective by your logic.



Who is lying now?

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BB
 

Greatest I am

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Midst the double negatives, you state that not having the desire to reproduce with the opposite sex is a defect. Therefore, people who don't want kids are defective by your logic.



Who is lying now?

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BB

Describe for us what the standard model is that you wouldchoose for a human being.

One that had the desire and ability to reproduce or onewithout these qualities?

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DL
 

Beefbisquit

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Describe for us what the standard model is that you wouldchoose for a human being.

One that had the desire and ability to reproduce or onewithout these qualities?

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DL
Don't avoid my statement like a coward.

You said:

Telling a member of a species that must reproduce to sustainitself that it is not a defect to not have the motivation or desire toreproduce with one from the opposite sex, is the truth and not a lie.

So by your own ridiculous logic, people who don't want to have kids are defective as well. Don't pass over this like it doesn't matter, either stand by your comments or retract them.
 

burgertime2010

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I think the answer lies quite ahead in how "natural" it is. I am looking at an overpopulation problem, I am looking at chemicals only, I am thinking Darwinian adaptation, and reproduction. The condition is natural.....no doubt, it boils down to feelings, not simple sex. The idea that population is an issue and that homosexuals will prevent adequate procreation is popular. I remember the Gaia hypothesis that was an idea that there is a pervasive consciousness that infuses all earthbound life....even the earth itself. This is not a god-concept, more or less a validation of the miraculous causes and effects that we endure as Earthlings in relationship to the sun. I like the idea that the Earth is getting full and biology and culture are shifting toward a solution, in part. Procreation is a major problem!!! I am on a limb here, please forgive but as evolution comes into play what advantages do straight vs homo people have right now? Given that, the choice for a "family" exists for anybody and gays can reproduce through multiple ways. Perhaps, the absence of the traditional family, better health, and disposable income may become survival mechanisms. Too many of us will destroy us all. Science makes traditional procreation a non-issue, regardless of sexuality, you may become a mother or father. The Idea that this is un-natural is where I begin to understand however, I feel somehow it is advantageous.
 

Thundercat

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I'm not even gonna get into the debate with GIA, its silly and he is close minded. I'm with the rest of you guys on this, and since we are dropping quotes how about:

"Live and Let Live"

I do want to simply say that burgertime points to a very important fact on this planet. Human beings are consuming too much, and taking up too much space. We NEED to stop reproducing SO FAST. I can't believe the way the media, and commercial aspects of American specifically still push this idea of everyone should be reproducing. They need to be pushing the idea of limiting reproduction as a conscious decision. Rather then glamorizing teen moms, and 19 kids and counting encourage people to think about the future. Jobs are only getting more scarce as all these kids are getting out of college and wanting to find work. Anyway just my opinion peace.
 

Greatest I am

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Don't avoid my statement like a coward.

You said:

So by your own ridiculous logic, people who don't want to have kids are defective as well. Don't pass over this like it doesn't matter, either stand by your comments or retract them.
Debate includes reciprocity. You refuse to reciprocate. See ya.
 

Greatest I am

Active Member
I think the answer lies quite ahead in how "natural" it is. I am looking at an overpopulation problem, I am looking at chemicals only, I am thinking Darwinian adaptation, and reproduction. The condition is natural.....no doubt, it boils down to feelings, not simple sex. The idea that population is an issue and that homosexuals will prevent adequate procreation is popular. I remember the Gaia hypothesis that was an idea that there is a pervasive consciousness that infuses all earthbound life....even the earth itself. This is not a god-concept, more or less a validation of the miraculous causes and effects that we endure as Earthlings in relationship to the sun. I like the idea that the Earth is getting full and biology and culture are shifting toward a solution, in part. Procreation is a major problem!!! I am on a limb here, please forgive but as evolution comes into play what advantages do straight vs homo people have right now? Given that, the choice for a "family" exists for anybody and gays can reproduce through multiple ways. Perhaps, the absence of the traditional family, better health, and disposable income may become survival mechanisms. Too many of us will destroy us all. Science makes traditional procreation a non-issue, regardless of sexuality, you may become a mother or father. The Idea that this is un-natural is where I begin to understand however, I feel somehow it is advantageous.
The 2 or 3 % of the population of gays has no significantimpact on populations or population demographics.

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DL
 

Greatest I am

Active Member
"Live and Let Live"

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I agree with this with this but would add, ---- if no harmis being done by those you let live.

I am often asked why I go after right wing Christians and whyI hate the genocidal son murdering God they follow
And why I do not just live and let live.

That is when I give them my view of that term. It goes likethis.

It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt allof us who are moral religionists as well as those who do not believe. They allhurt their parent religions and everyone else who has a belief or not. Theymake us all into laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is aGodhead but not the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution.Beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic are evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHaClUCw4&feature=PlayList&p=5123864A5243470E&index=0&playnext=1

They also do much harm to their own.

African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=related

Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493

Death to Gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related

For evil to grow my friends, all good people need do isnothing.
Fight them when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.


As it pertains to gays, if things are between consentingadults, live and let live for sure.
My gay friends agree.

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DL
 

Beefbisquit

Well-Known Member
Debate includes reciprocity. You refuse to reciprocate. See ya.
How is avoiding my question reciprocating? You have got to be the biggest hypocrite I've had the displeasure of debating on here in a while. You literally refused to reciprocate the conversation by ignoring my question, and when I called you on it; you claimed that I don't reciprocate. How fucking hypocritical can a person be?

Let's try this again!

You said;

Greatest I am said:
Telling a member of a species that must reproduce to sustainitself that it is not a defect to not have the motivation or desire toreproduce with one from the opposite sex, is the truth and not a lie.
And I said:

beefbisquit said:
So by your own ridiculous logic, people who don't want to have kids are defective as well.
And you've yet to answer.

EDIT: You also accused me of lying about you, when I didn't, and I proved it by posting the quote that YOU wrote. So, again you're a hypocrite for calling me a liar when in fact, it's you "telling fibs".

When arguments fail, fools turn to lies.

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DL
 
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