National service bill (UK)

[doublejj]

Better to die a free man than live as a slave. Hookah hey.

that's the last thing my son said to me just before I threw him out!............I told him "go die free"..........he enlisted in the Army 6 months later, lol!......go die free.............but your only "a free man" because others defended your 'freedom'.......that makes you a free-loader!

 

[Canna Sylvan]

that's the last thing my son said to me just before I threw him out!............I told him "go die free"..........he enlisted in the Army 6 months later, lol!......go die free.............but your only "a free man" because others defended your 'freedom'.......that makes you a free-loader!

It means I'm not a murderer and have integrity.

 

[doublejj]

The Men At Work........

 

[Dr Kynes]

The Men At Work........

[video=youtube;XfR9iY5y94s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s[/video]

 

[Canna Sylvan]

The Men At Work........

A real man knows when not to fight. It's too easy to just allow your dick to go on a rage boner.

 

[Rob Roy]

that's the last thing my son said to me just before I threw him out!............I told him "go die free"..........he enlisted in the Army 6 months later, lol!......go die free.............but your only "a free man" because others defended your 'freedom'.......that makes you a free-loader!

Not really. If a person was free, please explain how they can be drafted and forced to kill people they'd prefer not to...

 

[Dr Kynes]

Not really. If a person was free, please explain how they can be drafted and forced to kill people they'd prefer not to...

it is now, and always has been, part of the social contract.
when your tribe is attacked, everyone gets called up, because if the village falls, Tammerlaine and the mongol horde will kill everybody
those who would preferr to surrender and throw themselves on the mercy of their foes reduce the ability of the village/town/citystate/nation to resist the aggressors.

if you lived in Samarkand, and refused to go to the walls, your skull would also go onto the pile, but YOUR spear might have been the one that held your section, preventing the enemy from breaching the walls.

surrender doesnt just sacrifice YOU, but everyone that dies because your spear wasnt in position, or you dropped your shield to run away.

is that clear enough for you?

 

[Canna Sylvan]

it is now, and always has been, part of the social contract.
when your tribe is attacked, everyone gets called up, because if the village falls, Tammerlaine and the mongol horde will kill everybody
those who would preferr to surrender and throw themselves on the mercy of their foes reduce the ability of the village/town/citystate/nation to resist the aggressors.

if you lived in Samarkand, and refused to go to the walls, your skull would also go onto the pile, but YOUR spear might have been the one that held your section, preventing the enemy from breaching the walls.

surrender doesnt just sacrifice YOU, but everyone that dies because your spear wasnt in position, or you dropped your shield to run away.

is that clear enough for you?

Indians allowed contraries to work with the women while men went to war. Take that, girlfriend!

 

[Dr Kynes]

Indians allowed contraries to work with the women while men went to war. Take that, girlfriend!

mmm hmm, but when the US 1st cavalry under messr Custer surrounded them, EVERYBODY got their guns bows knives etc, cuz they werent goin out like wounded knee.

and thats why Custer got paddled.

plus he didnt listen to his Mule Skinner.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

mmm hmm, but when the US 1st cavalry under messr Custer surrounded them, EVERYBODY got their guns bows knives etc, cuz they werent goin out like wounded knee.

and thats why Custer got paddled.

plus he didnt listen to his Mule Skinner.

Did Vietnam surround us, or was it the other way around? Seems we play Custer too much, white man.

 

[Rob Roy]

it is now, and always has been, part of the social contract.
when your tribe is attacked, everyone gets called up, because if the village falls, Tammerlaine and the mongol horde will kill everybody
those who would preferr to surrender and throw themselves on the mercy of their foes reduce the ability of the village/town/citystate/nation to resist the aggressors.

if you lived in Samarkand, and refused to go to the walls, your skull would also go onto the pile, but YOUR spear might have been the one that held your section, preventing the enemy from breaching the walls.

surrender doesnt just sacrifice YOU, but everyone that dies because your spear wasnt in position, or you dropped your shield to run away.

is that clear enough for you?

The social contract is a rationalization myth. Stefan Molyneux has a 5 minute video that addresses that. You might want to watch it.

So, no, your explanation is STILL a rationalization. You pretty much are saying, "but that's the way we've always done it...which of course could be said about burning witches and falling off the flat earth. A social contract implies that all people are to follow a "norm" without any questioning of the norm itself. In other words it serves the leaders, makes it easier to herd people. I thought you were smarter than that.

Were the Germans that carried out orders to fry Jews excused because this invisible mythical contract was in place?

 

[Doer]

The social contract is a rationalization myth. Stefan Molyneux has a 5 minute video that addresses that. You might want to watch it.

So, no, your explanation is STILL a rationalization. You pretty much are saying, "but that's the way we've always done it...which of course could be said about burning witches and falling off the flat earth.

So are yeti, a myth. If you make up yeti, you can make up yeti society OK?

Now. Let us say the yeti are attacked by those damn wolverines again. You have wandered into the camp, they have been feeding you, letting you at the yeti girls.

So, what is your social contract with this group that has saved you from starvation?

OH, btw, wolverines kill all yeti, including your sorry ass, if you don't get them first. They slowly chew the meek for fun.

So, sit there and tell us the social contract is a myth.

Oh, how about a video of how an idiot "feels" there is no social contract, and this will never happen?

If you don't, yet the line, against the wolverines, the big buck yeti standing there, simply turns and guts you.

That is the social contract. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

You can be forced to fight. That is no rationalization. You, Rob Roy, can be forced to fight for your tribe. That alone is all the social contract there ever was.

All else springs from that. You and ABC, have a real problem with the real meaning of words.

 

[Rob Roy]

So are yeti.

Can you show me a copy of the social contract?

 

[Doer]

Can you show me a copy of the social contract?

Are you gutted? That is the contract. It existed long before writing and even before the spoken word.

The contact is only about cowardice. It doesn't need to be spoken and the cure is fatal.

No one sits back when the tribe is attacked. To do so is death. That is the contract.

All else we call society, humanity, and civilization spring from the tribe killing the cowards that won't fight.

It strengthens the gene pool. It is the test of Bully when we are young.

You think it is tattooed on your butt? Do you think the Founding Docs are the social contract?

It is simple as it gets. We are the only species outside chimps that will attack another band.

But, unlike for the youngest greenest chimp, to not fight, is also death, from the tribe, in humans.

So, the contract? Fight with the tribe and risk death for security or die where you stand right now.

It is the offer you can't refuse. Get it?

 

[Dr Kynes]

Did Vietnam surround us, or was it the other way around? Seems we play Custer too much, white man.

vietnam was an adventure in stupidity, which had one real aim, to protect france's delusions of empire and their colonial ambitions.

truman through nixon ALL fucked up.

but then we have been in an unbroken series of "states of emergency" since dec 8th 1941, just one step below martial law,providing extended executive powers, and allowing all manner of shenanigans...

thats how the draft was kept going long after ww2 was over

 

[Dr Kynes]

The social contract is a rationalization myth. Stefan Molyneux has a 5 minute video that addresses that. You might want to watch it.

So, no, your explanation is STILL a rationalization. You pretty much are saying, "but that's the way we've always done it...which of course could be said about burning witches and falling off the flat earth. A social contract implies that all people are to follow a "norm" without any questioning of the norm itself. In other words it serves the leaders, makes it easier to herd people. I thought you were smarter than that.

Were the Germans that carried out orders to fry Jews excused because this invisible mythical contract was in place?

social contracts are not a myth.
if we lived in a little village, and the vikings rowed up on shore, would you watch your wife and kids be taken as slaves or slaughtered, and all your possessions be stolen while the rest of the village fights, or would you take up arms.

a position of non-violence only works against CIVILIZED opponents who do not really want to kill you, when facing barbarians who are entirely disinterested in your continued survival, or actively desiring your death, pacifism is suicide. if your pacifism allows the deaths of people who were depending on you, you might as well become part of the viking crew.

also, nice invocation of the worst aspect of social contracts in a transparent attempt to Godwin away the reality.

some people prefer to be led, blindly taking theo orders of their superiors through conditioned obedience, a concious suppport of the agenda, or a delight in the power they get as part of the heirarchy, this does not mean every man who ever took up arms in defense of his nation is a murderous bastard, a blind unthinking sheep or a weak willed coward afraid of the social stigma od taking a principled position.

likewise all those who claim a "principled position" are not courageous heroes standing up to tyranny, sometimes they really are just lazy leeches who want all the benefits of society, but not any of the responsibilities incumbent on members of society, like paying taxes, obeying laws which may contradict your own desires, and yes, taking up arms in defense, or even offense if need be.

or was america's action in ww1, and ww2 entirely offensive to your sensibilities?

 

[Wilksey]

Fucking A Diddy Bag...you got that exactly right. No citizen in a free society should be compelled by the force of government to "serve the state" against their wishes. The next thing you know, there will be a mandatory 24 waiting period to get screaming tattoo. Oh wait...

Every single tax payer is compelled by the force of the government to "serve the state".

 

[Rob Roy]

So are yeti, a myth. If you make up yeti, you can make up yeti society OK?

Now. Let us say the yeti are attacked by those damn wolverines again. You have wandered into the camp, they have been feeding you, letting you at the yeti girls.

So, what is your social contract with this group that has saved you from starvation?

OH, btw, wolverines kill all yeti, including your sorry ass, if you don't get them first. They slowly chew the meek for fun.

So, sit there and tell us the social contract is a myth.

Oh, how about a video of how an idiot "feels" there is no social contract, and this will never happen?

If you don't, yet the line, against the wolverines, the big buck yeti standing there, simply turns and guts you.

That is the social contract. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

You can be forced to fight. That is no rationalization. You, Rob Roy, can be forced to fight for your tribe. That alone is all the social contract there ever was.

All else springs from that. You and ABC, have a real problem with the real meaning of words.

Except sometimes the Wolverines aren't really a danger. The "we're being attacked" lie is a common tool for tyrants.


[SIZE=+4]Hermann Goering's Quote
On War And The People[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]
3-20-2[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."[/SIZE][SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials[/SIZE]

 

[Rob Roy]

social contracts are not a myth.
if we lived in a little village, and the vikings rowed up on shore, would you watch your wife and kids be taken as slaves or slaughtered, and all your possessions be stolen while the rest of the village fights, or would you take up arms.

a position of non-violence only works against CIVILIZED opponents who do not really want to kill you, when facing barbarians who are entirely disinterested in your continued survival, or actively desiring your death, pacifism is suicide. if your pacifism allows the deaths of people who were depending on you, you might as well become part of the viking crew.

also, nice invocation of the worst aspect of social contracts in a transparent attempt to Godwin away the reality.

some people prefer to be led, blindly taking theo orders of their superiors through conditioned obedience, a concious suppport of the agenda, or a delight in the power they get as part of the heirarchy, this does not mean every man who ever took up arms in defense of his nation is a murderous bastard, a blind unthinking sheep or a weak willed coward afraid of the social stigma od taking a principled position.

likewise all those who claim a "principled position" are not courageous heroes standing up to tyranny, sometimes they really are just lazy leeches who want all the benefits of society, but not any of the responsibilities incumbent on members of society, like paying taxes, obeying laws which may contradict your own desires, and yes, taking up arms in defense, or even offense if need be.

or was america's action in ww1, and ww2 entirely offensive to your sensibilities?

You didn't watch the video did you? Well, did you? Can you show me a copy of this "social contract" ? Of course not. Is this "contract" enforceable in a court? No.

I'm not a pacifist, if attacked I'll respond with defensive force.

However I don't view things from a collectivist point of view the way you have presented your view point. I try to see people as individuals not automatically as "the enemy" because some douchebag has declared it to be so. I don't make excuses for collateral damage or accept legal yet immoral excuses to invade innocent peoples lives.

 

[Rob Roy]

vietnam was an adventure in stupidity, which had one real aim, to protect france's delusions of empire and their colonial ambitions.

truman through nixon ALL fucked up.

but then we have been in an unbroken series of "states of emergency" since dec 8th 1941, just one step below martial law,providing extended executive powers, and allowing all manner of shenanigans...

thats how the draft was kept going long after ww2 was over

All wars are adventures in stupidity. As they pit people that don't know each other against one another in defense of people's interests that control them.