Air-Assisted Atomizer System Development and Inquiry
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Forest Gump
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I will be starting a thread of my own about the truth of high pressure and low pressure aeroponics. Warning you and everyone else that thinks that there is a holy grail there is none......sorry I only tell the facts not someone's dreams or illusions.
i see
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/719752-only-facts-aeroponics-hpa-lpa.html
your a super troll dude, you seriously took time out of your day to write that, why didnt you at least give something useful. maybe some of this scientific data you speak of, or just some of your results or lack thereof?
maybe you could upload a grow journal of your past HPA systems that you ran at 150psi. so we can get an idea of what kind of credentials you hold for atomized aeroponics.
you know so we can see you walk the walk.
im going to counter you with a thread titled "only pictures of atomized aeroponic systems [failing]"
im not going to pollute vagabonds thread anymore, have a good one.
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/719752-only-facts-aeroponics-hpa-lpa.html
your a super troll dude, you seriously took time out of your day to write that, why didnt you at least give something useful. maybe some of this scientific data you speak of, or just some of your results or lack thereof?
maybe you could upload a grow journal of your past HPA systems that you ran at 150psi. so we can get an idea of what kind of credentials you hold for atomized aeroponics.
you know so we can see you walk the walk.
im going to counter you with a thread titled "only pictures of atomized aeroponic systems [failing]"
im not going to pollute vagabonds thread anymore, have a good one.
Forest Gump
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The truth always hurts. What happened is you people took good information and ruined it. When you tell someone something and have them pass that information along to the next person and the next person the information gets so twisted. That is exactly what you and others have done. Like I mentioned there is no holy grail......I am a retired engineer with a bachelor of science degree what have you got hanging on your wall.
jamesvagabond
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No offense Gump, but this kinda talk is not welcome on my thread. I am open to reason, but not emotionally charged high-horsity. Like O said, if you have actual data to back up your claims then let's have it, otherwise, I think even in bachelor science programs they emphasize no claims without supporting data and detailed experimentation. And, a bachelor's might have been worth something 50 years ago, but they hand those out with every american mcdonalds happy meal education. If you do have that degree and were taught proper scientific conduct then you might understand our reluctance to listen to conjecture.
Facts over feces. That being said, I am still open to any supporting data for your arguments.
Facts over feces. That being said, I am still open to any supporting data for your arguments.
Forest Gump
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James no problem just trying to keep it in laymans terms. I have offered easy facts to settle everything with just food coloring cannot be more simple than that. And I have kept it professional it's everyone else that can't see the forest because the trees are in the way. Good luck
looks like we'll have to prove him wrong james. im going to order two nozzles tomarrow morning
first a bete xasf050. it is a flat fan nozzle, that operates siphon fed. a friend has asked me to set an AA up in his basement. i feel siphon fed will be more reliable in a location that i wont be going to every day
second i will be purchaseing a bete XAPF050 it is a flat fan nozzle that operates internal mix pressure fed. i will use this nozzle in my personal setup.
good idea with the food coloring forest, but seriously dude nobody gives a shit about what may or may not be hanging on your wall, we are on a stoner forum on the internet after all.
hydrolyzed
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Currently waiting for Atomizer to either own the hell out of Gump, or concede that he is partially/fully right.....then I will decide what system to build! From my no-aero-experience opinion, I do have to say I see tons of people getting great results using 60-100 psi 30-50 micron systems with spray times from Atoms recommended 1 second, to the "normal" 5 second on, all the way to 24/7 spray....the way you are posting Gump, you make it seem like using spray in the micron sizes talked about 30-50 microns, is a death sentence for plants. You keep saying the spray won't penetrate the root mass...but I see many people doing just fine with all the above spray times and droplet sizes...I haven't seen any posts labeled "OMG the center of my root mass has dried up because my mist didn't penetrate!". Granted what you are saying makes sense on paper and I can see why it COULD be an issue...I've just never heard or read about it actually being an issue in real world use. The real argument I see going on is usually with Atomizer going for the optimal <1 second ON times for a constant almost saturated root zone, verses the people who run 5-60 seconds on or even 24/7 on saying they see no difference. Your argument is against the whole HPA community.....Not saying your wrong, just saying it seems that all the real world data points to you needing more evidence to your claims.
hammer21
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I have run hpa around 4 times every time slow growth and root rot in the center and am not the only one the less the cycle time the more i seen this the roots always looked great on the out side but slow death on the inside. But my grow chambers I used was on the small size not sure if this had a negative effect. Food coloring idea is a great way to see if spray is getting in there. Also the size of micron used only to bond oxygen molecules really if you think about it makes sense. I will be setting up another hpa in awhile just to see. Thinking more about what forest has said and I think I see the forest it's all about oxygen saturation of your nutes not the perfect micron size hitting the roots.
i like to think of Atomizer as the darth vader of aeroponics.
Mike Young
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That was my experience. I was using 40 gallons of root chamber per plant, but my nozzles didn't quite have the throw to penetrate deep into the roots once they got gigantic. That's the problem. You can nail 90% of the shit required to pull it off, but that last 10% or so is gonna break you. I didn't have the best results, but I'm confident that when you get that 100% locked in, you're there. And yeah, Atomizer is pretty much the authority on aero as far as I'm concerned. He's not bad at the DIY stuff either.
hydrolyzed
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Not asking sarcastically but seriously....if HPA is no good, what do you recommend? Is it no good just because of the long growth cycle and large root mass produced? (like you've been saying). Are you saying DWC is better? I've always looked at it like, with all parameters equal, from a low to high yield/growth rate standpoint... soil>coco>E&F>SWC>DWC>LPA>HPA>"fogponics"....fogponics being the noob in the game but the few people with their shit sorted out it seems to beat everything else.....you are saying my order is incorrect and HPA is not as good as DWC etc?
fogponics doesnt work, the particle sizes is two small (they cant properly hydrate the plant) and it heats up your growing chamber to much.
and i definitly dont consider consider coco to be #2 on the list, coco kicks ass especiallly when mixed with hydroton ill bet its as good as any form of atomized aeroponics
PROF XAVIER
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I'm no Darth Vader but I'm doing well with HPA. Just harvested close to 2lbs off 2 plants, 1 month veg, 2 month flower in 2x4x4 area. No co2. (Not yet) 110 p.s.I. pump with 50 micron misters. Guess Forrest should keep running.
PROF XAVIER
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I'd say HPA works well....
hammer21
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Forest never said HPA does not work you just use short cycles to increase root mass then go back to complete saturation of the roots. This is what what was mentioned about twisting information. Also that is just normal yield for what your doing. Nice setup...... the same using LPA
PROF XAVIER
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Well he comes off as arrogant and doesn't seem to think anyone is doing it right. Just how he came off to me. So this is normal? Just normal? I'd love to see better than normal results as there is little to no pics on aero sites...and I've read a lot of them.
PROF XAVIER
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I've read what he says...nothing to back it up....just ideas. Again...show me better than normal HPA (as mine is, not LPA) and ill quietly continue to upgrade.
hammer21
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Glad to see your still around mike..
PROF XAVIER
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And I've mentioned that feeding idea over a year ago. Short bursts to develop and then feed heavily while everyone preached the less than 2 sec feed.