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A
BILL
TO
Provide a system of national service for young persons; and for connected
purposes.
Be it enacted by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and
consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present
Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:—


[h=2]1 National service system[/h] (1) Every individual who has attained the age of 18 years, and who has not
attained the age of 26 years, shall be liable to serve one year of national service
at some point between these years unless exempt.
(2) 5Exempt individuals are those with severe mental or physical disability.
(3) National service shall be defined as participation in a full time scheme
accredited by HM Government as meeting the requirements of national service
and set out in regulations by the Secretary of State.
(4) Non-exempt individuals who do not serve one year of national service before
10the age of 26 years shall be guilty of an offence.
[h=2]2 Scope of the scheme[/h] (1) Regulations shall provide that the scheme must extend the scope of the
National Citizen Service and include the following elements—
(a) educational assistance for those participants who have yet to attain
15basic educational requirements of reading and writing in English and
mathematics;
(b) coaching and instruction to attain basic levels of physical fitness,
personal discipline, smart appearance, self respect and respect for
others;
(c) 20instruction in personal financial budgeting, household bills, nutrition,
cooking, time keeping, life skills, tolerance towards others, treating
elderly and disabled people with dignity and respect; and
(d) instruction in basic aspects of the law in relation to the most common
offences involving young people.
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(2) Regulations shall also provide that the scheme shall include—
(a) a residential element, requiring that participants live away from home;
and
(b) an element of public service, comprising one or more of the following
5to be chosen by the individual—
(i) charitable work,
(ii) social action,
(iii) care for the elderly or disabled,
(iv) overseas development activity, or
(v) 10work connected with the National Health Service, the
emergency services or the Armed Forces.
[h=2]3 Pay and tax allowance for participants[/h] (1) Participants in national service shall be paid the national adult minimum wage
during their year of service with accommodation and travel funded by the
15Secretary of State.
(2) Regulations shall provide that a person who has successfully completed their
year of national service shall be presented with a national service certificate
which shall entitle them to a lifetime income tax rate personal allowance 10 per
cent above the personal allowance that would otherwise apply.
[h=2]4 20Interpretation[/h] In this Act “national adult minimum wage” means the minimum wage as
specified under section 2 of the National Minimum Wage Act 1998 and
exemptions and modifications set out in section 3 of that Act shall not apply.
[h=2]5 Financial provision[/h] 25There shall be paid out of money provided by Parliament—
(a) any expenditure of the Secretary of State in consequence of this Act, and
(b) any increase attributable to this Act in the sums which under any other Act
are payable out of money so provided.
[h=2]6 Offence[/h] 30Regulations shall provide for those guilty of an offence under section 1(4) to be
subject to a penalty.
[h=2]7 Regulations[/h] Regulations under this Act shall be made by statutory instrument and may not
be made unless a draft of the regulations have been laid before, and approved
35by a resolution of, each House of Parliament.
[h=2]8 Short title, commencement and extent[/h] (1) This Act may be cited as the National Service Act 2013.
(2) This Act comes into force one year after Royal Assent.
(3) This Act extends to England and Wales.




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[GOD HERE]

Well you go tell the queen to go fuck herself as per usual.

Mandatory military service? What kind of conservative wet dream is this? It serves literally no purpose other than furthering the militarist culture and wastes tax payer money that could be going to towards infrastructure, poverty, education, research, etc...

How about every imbecile who suggests this gets strung up from the nearest light post.

 

[sheldonblack]

I'm not 100% disagreeing with you but apparetly you never lived in a place where the service is mandatory. Not that it's good in every aspect but you can easily see the differece between folks who did it and who didn't, just much tougher, more experienced with certsin things, more hands on and usually they pick up an skill or 2 while they're out there. However they usualyy do complain it was a waste of their time but lots of good memories from the hommies they found during service that sticks with them for life.

Plus it may do the UK guys some good if u know what I mean, if you don't then you don't.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

I'm not 100% disagreeing with you but apparetly you never lived in a place where the service is mandatory. Not that it's good in every aspect but you can easily see the differece between folks who did it and who didn't, just much tougher, more experienced with certsin things, more hands on and usually they pick up an skill or 2 while they're out there. However they usualyy do complain it was a waste of their time but lots of good memories from the hommies they found during service that sticks with them for life.

Plus it may do the UK guys some good if u know what I mean, if you don't then you don't.

War is about a political agenda. I only agree with killing to protect yourself and your family from those who would protect you. I wouldn't be as much against forced homeland conscription. But "preemptive" is a completely different idea.

I'm also against the idea of seeking out dangers to protect you and others. Kind of like what Zimmerman did. But, I'm not going to stop others if their objective and actions were justified.

Whereas, a war like what happened with US military involvement with Vietnam was completely immoral.

 

[sheldonblack]

Lol, Sorry but that's not what I meant. Usually Service in other countries is not you getting deployed overseas to go solve an isuue or take over some land or hunt somebody down or lose a leg while you're at it. It's simply sending you out to a remote area away from where you live, get up earlier than usual(5:30am), learn how to work with others, shoot cans and learn how to toughen up in rough climate and shit like that. trsut me, I too am against war for no reason ( or really for any reason).

 

[Dr Kynes]

Well you go tell the queen to go fuck herself as per usual.

Mandatory military service? What kind of conservative wet dream is this? It serves literally no purpose other than furthering the militarist culture and wastes tax payer money that could be going to towards infrastructure, poverty, education, research, etc...

How about every imbecile who suggests this gets strung up from the nearest light post.

yeah, its about military service exclusively. not the "National healthcare system" or Meals On Wheels community service programs, or ridiculous "foreign development programs" nope, it's just military service.

ohh wait, no it's not, that is just the only part that chaps your leftist ass, so you PRETEND the rest doesnt exist in an attempt to re-frame the debate away from "Mandatory Service" by government decree, and instead create a meme that it is part of some new "military industrial complex" bullshit or a backdoor draft.

muy facile.

 

[GOD HERE]

yeah, its about military service exclusively. not the "National healthcare system" or Meals On Wheels community service programs, or ridiculous "foreign development programs" nope, it's just military service.

ohh wait, no it's not, that is just the only part that chaps your leftist ass, so you PRETEND the rest doesnt exist in an attempt to re-frame the debate away from "Mandatory Service" by government decree, and instead create a meme that it is part of some new "military industrial complex" bullshit or a backdoor draft.

muy facile.

The only thing that rankles my ass are your comments that start off like they have a point and go no where.

 

[Dr Kynes]

The only thing that rankles my ass are your comments that start off like they have a point and go no where.

so, you are implying that you just didnt notice all the many modes or "service" suggested, but ONLY saw "Armed Forces" ?
or are you intimating that you did not intend to create the impression among those who would TLDR the bill, that this was all about compulsory military service?
or are you implying that i am in error and your post above actually contains a great deal of opposition to a "mandatory public service" law, and i just cannot see it because im not a super cool lefty like you?

nope.
you LOVE "mandatory public service" like all lefties do, Clinton tried to get one, TWICE , Obama tried to get one, but his started looking more like a paramilitary Young Pioneers program

[video=youtube;-aBgPtXJppg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aBgPtXJppg[/video]

you despise mandatory military service cuz thats slavery, while mandatory "Public Service"? why thats VOLUNTEERISM...
many states have enacted "Mandadtory Volunteerism" as a criteria for a high school diploma, those states? LEFTY ONES like california.
forced servitude is NEVER voluntary, no matter how hard AC tried to make it so, but you only care if somebody joins the army instead of "Mandatorily Volunteering" at planned parenthood or Acorn

 

[MuyLocoNC]

you despise mandatory military service cuz thats slavery, while mandatory "Public Service"? why thats VOLUNTEERISM...
many states have enacted "Mandadtory Volunteerism" as a criteria for a high school diploma, those states? LEFTY ONES like california.
forced servitude is NEVER voluntary, no matter how hard AC tried to make it so, but you only care if somebody joins the army instead of "Mandatorily Volunteering" at planned parenthood or Acorn

Fucking A Diddy Bag...you got that exactly right. No citizen in a free society should be compelled by the force of government to "serve the state" against their wishes. The next thing you know, there will be a mandatory 24 waiting period to get screaming tattoo. Oh wait...

 

[Nice Ol Bud]

so, you are implying that you just didnt notice all the many modes or "service" suggested, but ONLY saw "Armed Forces" ?
or are you intimating that you did not intend to create the impression among those who would TLDR the bill, that this was all about compulsory military service?
or are you implying that i am in error and your post above actually contains a great deal of opposition to a "mandatory public service" law, and i just cannot see it because im not a super cool lefty like you?

nope.
you LOVE "mandatory public service" like all lefties do, Clinton tried to get one, TWICE , Obama tried to get one, but his started looking more like a paramilitary Young Pioneers program

[video=youtube;-aBgPtXJppg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aBgPtXJppg[/video]

you despise mandatory military service cuz thats slavery, while mandatory "Public Service"? why thats VOLUNTEERISM...
many states have enacted "Mandadtory Volunteerism" as a criteria for a high school diploma, those states? LEFTY ONES like california.
forced servitude is NEVER voluntary, no matter how hard AC tried to make it so, but you only care if somebody joins the army instead of "Mandatorily Volunteering" at planned parenthood or Acorn

Because of obama!
Iz' a got food stamps mayn!
Can I keep doing this cause I live in section 8?
YES WE CAN!

 

[Rob Roy]

Mandatory service is not consistent with freedom of choice. I would have to tell them to fuck off on this one.

 

[doublejj]

"If you are a man ages 18 through 25 and living in the U.S., then you must register with Selective Service. It’s the law. According to law, a man must register with Selective Service within 30 days of his 18th birthday. Selective Service will accept late registrations but not after a [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] man[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] has reached age 26. You may be denied benefits or a job if you have not registered. You can register at any U.S. Post Office and do not need a social security number. When you do obtain a social security number, let Selective Service know. Provide a copy of your new social security number card; being sure to include your complete name, date of birth, Selective Service registration number, and current mailing address; and mail to the Selective Service System, P.O. Box 94636, Palatine, IL 60094-4636"...........http://www.sss.gov/default.htm[/FONT]

 

[Dr Kynes]

"If you are a man ages 18 through 25 and living in the U.S., then you must register with Selective Service. It’s the law. According to law, a man must register with Selective Service within 30 days of his 18th birthday. Selective Service will accept late registrations but not after a man has reached age 26. You may be denied benefits or a job if you have not registered. You can register at any U.S. Post Office and do not need a social security number. When you do obtain a social security number, let Selective Service know. Provide a copy of your new social security number card; being sure to include your complete name, date of birth, Selective Service registration number, and current mailing address; and mail to the Selective Service System, P.O. Box 94636, Palatine, IL 60094-4636"...........http://www.sss.gov/default.htm

yes. registering for the draft, should the draft be needed. if the draft were needed we would be FUCKED, so most of us would already be crouched behind the barricades with our rifles trying to stem the Zombie Tide or drive back the insectoid alien invaders while lefty bleeding hearts continue to urge "passive resistance"

whats your point bro?

selective service registration is not mandatory volunteerism.

it's mandatory registration for POSSIBLE mandatory service. no word games, no funny business and no bullshit involved.

 

[doublejj]

yes. registering for the draft, should the draft be needed. if the draft were needed we would be FUCKED, so most of us would already be crouched behind the barricades with our rifles trying to stem the Zombie Tide or drive back the insectoid alien invaders while lefty bleeding hearts continue to urge "passive resistance"

whats your point bro?

selective service registration is not mandatory volunteerism.

it's mandatory registration for POSSIBLE mandatory service. no word games, no funny business and no bullshit involved.

the point is the US gov has the laws in place to put you into "mandatory service" on any day it chooses!.......

 

[Dr Kynes]

the point is the US gov has the laws in place to put you into "mandatory service" on any day it chooses!.......

yes, under national emergency conditions clearly spelled out in the law, not a blanket mandate that everybody has to "mandatory volunteerism" or face some sanction, maybe fines maybe prison, who can say.

the draft is not a feel-good lefty bullshit attempt to force servitude, it is for national defense, even if it has been extended and abused in the past to ensure sufficient manpower for an illadvised adventure in nationbuilding and defense of french colonial fantasies.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

so, you are implying that you just didnt notice all the many modes or "service" suggested, but ONLY saw "Armed Forces" ?
or are you intimating that you did not intend to create the impression among those who would TLDR the bill, that this was all about compulsory military service?
or are you implying that i am in error and your post above actually contains a great deal of opposition to a "mandatory public service" law, and i just cannot see it because im not a super cool lefty like you?

nope.
you LOVE "mandatory public service" like all lefties do, Clinton tried to get one, TWICE , Obama tried to get one, but his started looking more like a paramilitary Young Pioneers program

[video=youtube;-aBgPtXJppg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aBgPtXJppg[/video]

you despise mandatory military service cuz thats slavery, while mandatory "Public Service"? why thats VOLUNTEERISM...
many states have enacted "Mandadtory Volunteerism" as a criteria for a high school diploma, those states? LEFTY ONES like california.
forced servitude is NEVER voluntary, no matter how hard AC tried to make it so, but you only care if somebody joins the army instead of "Mandatorily Volunteering" at planned parenthood or Acorn

I'm against all forced servitude. I once volunteered, but that was for pussy.

 

[Rob Roy]

the point is the US gov has the laws in place to put you into "mandatory service" on any day it chooses!.......

It's another one of those laws that violate their constitution. Sort of like telling people they can't ingest certain plant matter. Thank god the magic constitution has saved people from this tyranny...no wait...it hasn't has it?

 

[ilikecheetoes]

Lol, Sorry but that's not what I meant. Usually Service in other countries is not you getting deployed overseas to go solve an isuue or take over some land or hunt somebody down or lose a leg while you're at it. It's simply sending you out to a remote area away from where you live, get up earlier than usual(5:30am), learn how to work with others, shoot cans and learn how to toughen up in rough climate and shit like that. trsut me, I too am against war for no reason ( or really for any reason).

here in the us of a we call that the boyscouts.

 

[Doer]

It's another one of those laws that violate their constitution. Sort of like telling people they can't ingest certain plant matter. Thank god the magic constitution has saved people from this tyranny...no wait...it hasn't has it?

And when selected you will go.

 

[Rob Roy]

And when selected you will go.

Better to die a free man than live as a slave. Hookah hey.