How much hydrocodone?
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canndo
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Why would it be worse to be addicted to a substance than have to contend with permanent intractable pain? I know a man in his 80s who wants to kick his valium addiction, been on them for 20 years, when I asked him why he said he didn't want that monkey on his back. It may take him two years to kick the stuff, he takes blood thinners and I contend he is addicted Ted to those as well but he risks dying if he quits them. What is it with society that scorns all but the so socially acceptable "addictions"?
greenghost420
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well addiction usually leads to death. all of them,except pot! while i agree cannabis is not a sub for morphine etc, its not even close to as habit forming.
Impman
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This is the core problem with Marijuana legalization. We stupid stoners have failed in epic fashion to provide a logical argument to the Feds to legalize marijuana. NORML is a epic failure. All drugs NEED to be legalize for this country to survive and to preserve the Constitution. Our health care is going to hell in a bucket. NORML is probably a government ploy to pull the wool over pot heads eyes and get them to ignore the prohibition.
NORML is smoke and mirrors to distract all us stoners from seeing that our Liberties have been stripped from us. OUr LIBERTIES that this country was founded on! We continue to allow the Feds to tell us what we can put in our bodies?! And why? Because your political efficacy is so weak its disgusting!
You fuckers come on to a drug forum and preach about weed being god of all drugs?! This is why we lose the drug war. This is why you have very limited liberties in this 'free' country. I love the U.S. all of the framework for Liberty is right there in the Constitution and the amendments! And we let these fuckers take it from us... ..... there are fat fucking pigs with all the money laughing at al of us pot heads! they own the drug companies, and they laugh because all our energy is wasted on legalizing a plant! LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS and FREE AMERICA!
NORML is smoke and mirrors to distract all us stoners from seeing that our Liberties have been stripped from us. OUr LIBERTIES that this country was founded on! We continue to allow the Feds to tell us what we can put in our bodies?! And why? Because your political efficacy is so weak its disgusting!
You fuckers come on to a drug forum and preach about weed being god of all drugs?! This is why we lose the drug war. This is why you have very limited liberties in this 'free' country. I love the U.S. all of the framework for Liberty is right there in the Constitution and the amendments! And we let these fuckers take it from us... ..... there are fat fucking pigs with all the money laughing at al of us pot heads! they own the drug companies, and they laugh because all our energy is wasted on legalizing a plant! LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS and FREE AMERICA!
Bear Country
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Comparing one to the other is like comparing day to night. I didnt post to be a smart ass . I had to make a FUCKEN choice! I live with constant pain, not seldom or once in a while but DAILY and for me it was a matter of making a reasonable CHOICE of what I thought was best for me. Its that simple if you want to complicate my post....knock yourself out. Watching you Rant on with your view of things is not going to change the fact that I am hurt and suffer from chronic pain. My decision was a personal one.....Like I said do what you feel you have to do. Not COMPLICATED !!
I dont see Cannabis use,even if it is daily, as addiction. I dont even fucken believe that Cannabis is addictive. I have smoked through several phases of my life and had to quit because of work. I stopped smoking from one day to the next and didnt suffer withdrawals or any adverse effects from quitting...nothing, nada,zero, zippo!!!!!!! I just went about my business like if it never existed. Try doing that with Opiats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are people who suffer with chronic pain and for some cannabis is not even an option because they need those stronger meds just to try to improve thier quality of life. For others maybe cannabis is a solution or partial solution. I know what my experience was with daily opiate use, there is not even a reasonable comparison between the two....not even close!
Regarding addiction and cannabis....I will tell you what is addictive about cannabis.....GROWING IT!!!! LMAO
Bear Country
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I agree with you, an addiction is an addiction is an addiction. Whether it be food, sex, booze, opiats...ETC
Where I disagree with you is that Cannabis is addictive....it is NOT. Thats how I see it but I know that no matter what I say, I will not convince you of that so you can believe what you want and I will believe WHAT I KNOW!
Skuxx
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Maybe for you... but I quit a decade long pack a day of cigarettes habit with virtually no problems. When I stop smoking bud I can't sleep for days, can't eat, get anxiety and moody, and I even vomit and get the shits.
Impman
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Drug companies run all the adds against drugs. They pay vast amounts of money to MADD. They get Christianity completely involved and loaded with cash for the war on drugs and marijuana. They have and endless supply of money to see their goals met to whatever end. our liberties have been stripped by drug companies. Drug companies have nearly 10% of U.S. born citizens in prison! And yet we sit here and babble about legalizing weed.........we base a great deal of our economy imprisoning people for drugs, from the guards to the walls to the drug testing.
greenghost420
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because it helped you medicinally with all those symptoms...
Skuxx
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So why do they go away after about a week of not toking? Except for anxiety, but it's not nearly as bad.
Bear Country
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I take my medicine like a man. I stand corrected!!! you are correct. We are all different and react to things, situations etc...differently. My personal experience with cannabis is how I described it in my post....thus resulting in my personal feelings that it is not addictive.
Bear Country
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I hate drug companies to brody!!!!!!!! I think they are SHIT and do play a HUGE role in keeping people enslaved in bondage of one form or another. I'm not saying that some meds are not good or necessary. What I am saying about the drug companies is that only two things matter, Money and Power...they both walk hand in hand
bass1014
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as anything there is a tolerance build up and with any tolerance there is withdraws..even weed.. with opiates its way worse. anyone who takes a 30 60 day supply of vicoden perc's will have slight withdraws , if you smoke on a daily basis for any length of time you will have slight withdraws..
as far as pain help. i have been on opiates for the last 15 years for chronic back pains and just the other day i had a bone cut and plated with screws, when the nerve block wore off i was fukin hurting..so with being on a narcotic contract with my dr. i had to get the other meds from surgery approved. i take perc.10/325 and methidone 10 mg 4 times a day ..they gave me oxycotin and they were only 5's but after taking 3 with my normal meds i was good within 45 minutes,,
as far as pain help. i have been on opiates for the last 15 years for chronic back pains and just the other day i had a bone cut and plated with screws, when the nerve block wore off i was fukin hurting..so with being on a narcotic contract with my dr. i had to get the other meds from surgery approved. i take perc.10/325 and methidone 10 mg 4 times a day ..they gave me oxycotin and they were only 5's but after taking 3 with my normal meds i was good within 45 minutes,,
CoreyATX420
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psychologically it is addictive. physically no. and when youre speaking on the psyschological aspect the issues with such can vary person to person. Im bipolar. they tell me not to do any drugs. dont even smoke weed. but theyd love to give me anti-psychs for that, bars for anxiety, and uppers for adhd all day killing my insides... cannabis is addictive in the sense it changes your brain chemicals and when you stop your brain goes wow...wtf. its simple brain chemistry. the right person could ge addicted to peanut butter if his mind and senses were so fascinated by such.
canndo
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Addiction, when managed rarely results in death.
canndo
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IS pot addictive? clinical research indicates that pot is indeed physicaly addictive if you measure addictiveness as exhibiting withdrawal symptoms when one quits. This may not happen with everyone or in every situation and of course it is situationaly and personaly variable. Granted, the withdrdawal symptoms of pot addiction are realtively minor, but one could say that about benzo addiction when compared ot opiate addiction, where opiate addiction, uncomfortable as it is, is rarely life threatening. it is all a matter of degree and just because YOU suffered little or no withdrawal does not mean that this withdrawal is not so for everyone.
GOD HERE
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Haha you make me feel like I'm some disabled drug addict. No I don't even smoke weed that much. This is just a temporary thing.
By temporary I mean it was over yesterday.
MrEDuck
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My sister once poured a cup of freshly brewed black coffee on me because I wouldn't wake up early to get her weed. It's not common but you can certainly be addicted to pot. Just like you can develop an addiction to pretty much anything that makes you feel better.
