Illumitex - Why so little attention?

PICOGRAV

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Did you see the efficacy ratings anywhere yet?

This is where the parabolic curves should be utilized, almost on the die level.
 

Bumping Spheda

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PICO: No idea on efficacy. Mouser states the radiometric power at 1.6W and each consumes about 5W when you drive them at 10V x 500mA. 32% efficiency isn't bad...

Constiello: This stuff looks cool to me. So much so I thought it deserved its own thread for discussion, actually. Hopefully we can get some one interested in it enough to bite the bullet and test this product in their garden. I'd love to if I had the money for another flower tent.
 

PICOGRAV

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I would like to test a few of these out in my little setup once I have it dialed in, the power supplies I am using would drive these fine.

Bumping, do you know any rough conversions for lumen per watt into radiometric power? I don't know why but I have set in my head 130 l/w is where it needs to be, I can imagine that the far-reds might not be able to achieve this but they are saying they get nearly 100% of the light out of the actual diodes in the beam angle, very cool.
 

captainmorgan

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Do they make any more separate spectrum's because mouser only lists 3 whites and 3 individuals 470,525 and 624 nm. They offer some mixes with 660 and 730 added to some others but it's their mix and you don't seem to be able to do your own custom mix. If they offered 624,660,680 and 730 as separates it would make it more interesting.
 

Bumping Spheda

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PICO: Lumens are not very important when it comes to growing. Lumen is a unit of measurement for how bright something is to the human eye, not how bright it is to a plant. Taking a peak at the spectral analysis graph of the F3 spectrum, however, I can tell you the F3 spectrum would rate rather poorly in an efficacy test. Yet this does not mean it couldn't flower up a fuckin' storm...

captainmorgan:
http://www.illumitex.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Agricultural_Brochure_150dpi_FINAL.pdf
They have supplemental colors. To my knowledge, if you want to create your own spectrum you need to custom order it form Illumitex directly which probably means HUGE $$$. The F3 spectrum doesn't look good to you?
 

PICOGRAV

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Bumping, in your opinion what ratings do you think would indicate good levels of light power getting absorbed by the plant? I would assume that essentially we are sending energy into the plant via light. Maybe the way in which the plant leaves couple with this light effects how well it is absorbed.

I know with sounds the room or size of an enclosure can amplify or retard specific frequencies, do you think the beam intensity and angle could some how couple to the plant better, achieving a higher efficacy at the light/plant power conversion, sort of like tuning a horn loaded tweeter to a specific frequency range?
 

captainmorgan

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If I found the right graph for the F3 it looks like another narrow band blue red combo.I'm not a expert by any means but I think plants are more complex than that and a mix of whites with some added red bands is the way I'm going for flower,maybe veg is a simpler process that can be handled with narrow bands.
 

Bumping Spheda

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captainmorgan: It's pretty narrow band, you're right captain. It has very little Green/Yellow/Orange, but it does have "full spectrum" coverage, if that means anything to you, it just focuses HEAVILY on Red/Blue. The X5 spectrum looked really cool, but I guess they don't support it anymore. NASA wanted their research back? Not exactly sure what happened there.

PICO: This is an RQE chart stardustsailor posted a while back. I believe they used cannabis leaves for the test, but it might just be a typical land-based plant.
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The test was performed by shining various wavelengths of light at a plant leaf and recording the percentage of light that was reflected back. So, according to my understanding, the remaining percentage of light was actually absorbed by the leaf and is deemed "useful" for photosynthesis. As you can see efficiency peaks in the 575-645nm range.

As for "light coupling" and speaker design, it's hard to compare. Different frequencies of sound waves take on different forms. Bass expands spherically. It fills the room in all directions rather evenly. As frequency increases, however, the waves become much more directional. This is why, say with a planar magnetic midrange/tweeter, the diaphragm width usually dictates what frequency you have to set the crossover at before beaming sets in. In lighting terms, this is semi-analogous to the beam angle of the light. With these Illumitex light sources you have a very tight beam angle with a very sharp cutoff, yet you use many of them correctly spaced apart in order to achieve a homogeneous light region. I'd say this is similar to a line array. So, what we're talking about here is not necessarily coupling a single spot in the room with the speaker setup and taking FR measurements. Rather, we're trying to create a room where many people can sit and listen/enjoy the music at very a reasonable fidelity. I hope that makes sense and is "correct." :oops:
 

PICOGRAV

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Bumping, yes I see your take on these new LED's finally. I have been thinking in my head, having one source point of light would be best. I don't know why, maybe because of the resemblance to the sun.

It would be cool to do a test with these beam focused LED's agents high power wide angle LED's like the Bridgelux Vero. With the setup I have, I get a huge amount of reflected light back in the small space I am using, I don't know if that is good or bad, could be alternating or changing the light wave length from the reflection and angle I suppose.
 

Bumping Spheda

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One thing you could do is add a secondary optics component to the Vero which would narrow the beam angle and concentrate the light a lot more onto the plant canopy. I don't know if that reflector is compatible with the Vero, it was just to give a rough idea of what I had in mind. Also, the reflector would mess up the spectral mixing of the Warm White and Neutral White COB's you've got running. All that being said, however, just like the reflective material you use on your walls, every time you reflect the light you have efficiency losses, usually in the range of 3-10% depending on the reflectance of the material that's being used. This is the beauty of the Illumitex design, they create a narrow beam angle at the component level with minimal losses. Not only that, but the beam is geometrically shaped to match your grow room! xD
 

PICOGRAV

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Hmm, well I guess the only thing holding me back from a LED shoot out is, actually having a successful grow! I keep thinking when my first seeds I planted yesterday might sprout or if they never do :roll:
 

anomuumi

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I like the narrow lens angle, but the price is not competitive enough. PPF / $ or € is much lower than using top/high bin leds like XT-E CW R5, X-BD red P2, XP-E2 red P3, oslon ssl red T3 etc. driven at 700mA. But overall, nice package and might be easier to build a nice looking fixture with these.
 

captainmorgan

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I tried to order from them a couple weeks ago. They took my money through paypal didn't acknowledge my order was even placed wouldn't answer their phone or respond to emails so after a week went by I filed a claim with paypal. They refunded my money in less than two hours with the comment "out of stock" why the hell wouldn't they just respond to me,I might have waited if they acknowledged my existence.
 

Bumping Spheda

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Weird. So much of their stuff is $0.00 dollars, too. Says 3-5 weeks shipping or some bull. Then there's the "In Stock" section where everything's priced and most of it says will ship in a day or two. I added stuff to my cart to see if it would load a price, but no dice. Weird website, I agree.

Did you see, though? That LED bar I linked says if you buy one they'll donate one of equal value to a food bank. Pretty neat, imo.
 

captainmorgan

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Weird. So much of their stuff is $0.00 dollars, too. Says 3-5 weeks shipping or some bull. Then there's the "In Stock" section where everything's priced and most of it says will ship in a day or two. I added stuff to my cart to see if it would load a price, but no dice. Weird website, I agree.

Did you see, though? That LED bar I linked says if you buy one they'll donate one of equal value to a food bank. Pretty neat, imo.
I tried to buy their mini LEDs, a 660 and a 730. They are selling their stuff on Amazon with a good rating but didn't have those two listed on Amazon so I thought it was safe to order from them.
The company has more than one name they sell under.
 

PICOGRAV

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http://www.newark.com

they might not be listed there yet, but you could call and maybe get some samples if they have some. I get all my "high-end" components for Amplifiers and Electro-devices I make and play around with from there :hump:
 
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