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nontheist

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Pit Bulls: Deadly Breed Most Responsible for Death and Maimings of Humans and Other Animals

On average about 27 people will be killed by a dog each year in the US, 19 of the homicide victims will be children under the age of 15. The dog that causes 3 out of 4 attacks on kids will be the "loving" family dog, such as the "friendly companion" pit bull with the wonderful disposition. Children attacked by these breeds are literally torn apart with horrifying injuries that are almost beyond words. Those that survive are often maimed for life.
http://www.dog-bite-law-center.com/pit_bull_attacks.html

But do pit bulls deserve their reputation as vicious "attack" dogs? An overwhelming amount of evidence suggests they do.
A five-year review of dog-bite injuries from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, published in 2009 in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, found that almost 51 percent of the attacks were from pit bulls, almost 9 percent were from Rottweilers and 6 percent were from mixes of those two breeds.
In other words, a whopping two-thirds of the hospital's dog-attack injuries involved just two breeds, pit bulls and Rottweilers.
http://www.livescience.com/27145-are-pit-bulls-dangerous.html


[h=2]Myth #1: It's the owner not the breed[/h]The outdated debate, "It's the owner, not the breed," has caused the pit bull problem to grow into a 30-year old problem.1 Designed to protect pit bull breeders and owners, the slogan ignores the genetic history of the breed and blames these horrific maulings -- inflicted by the pit bull's genetic "hold and shake" bite style -- on environmental factors. While environment plays a role in a pit bull's behavior, it is genetics that leaves pit bull victims with permanent anddisfiguring injuries.
The pit bull's genetic traits are not in dispute. Many appellate courts agree that pit bulls pose a significant danger to society and can be regulated accordingly. Some of the genetic traits courts have identified include: unpredictability of aggression, tenacity ("gameness" the refusal to give up a fight), high pain tolerance and the pit bull's "hold and shake" bite style.2 According to forensic medical studies, similar injuries have only been found elsewhere on victims of shark attacks.3
Perpetuators of this myth also cannot account for the many instances in which pit bull owners and family members are victimized by their pet dogs. From 2005 to 2012, pit bulls killed 151 Americans, about one citizen every 19 days. Of these deaths, 52% involved a family member and a household pit bull.4 Notably, in the first 8 months of 2011, nearly half of those killed by a pit bull was its owner. One victim was an "avid supporter" of Bad Rap, a recipient of Michael Vick's dogs.

[h=2]Myth #4: Fatal attack statistics about pit bulls are false[/h]Pro-pit bull groups argue that the 20-year fatal dog attack study (from 1979 to 1998) issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in September 2000 is inaccurate because the study relied "in part" on newspaper articles. Pit bull advocates say that pit bull fatalities are more extensively reported by the media, therefore the authors of the study (most holding PhD credentials) must have "miscounted" or "double counted" the number of pit bull fatalities.10
As stated in the CDC report, the authors collected data from media accounts as well as the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) registry of fatal attacks. Also, all five authors, Jeffrey Sacks, Leslie Sinclair, Julie Gilchrist, Gail Golab and Randall Lockwood, openly oppose breed-specific laws. This bias is clearly reflected in the CDC report as well.11 If discrepancies were made in the report, it seems more likely that fatal pit bull attacks were underreported not over reported.5
http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php



YearTotal# Most fatal attacks by# Second-most fatal attacks by# Third-most fatal attacks by
19471German Shepherd (1) (100%)NANA
19813Doberman pinscher (1) (33%)
Mongrel (1) (33%)
Pit Bull (1) (33%)
NANA
19842Siberian husky (1) (50%)
German shepherd (1) (50%)
NANA
19851English sheepdog (1) (100%)NANA
19861Unknown dogs (1) (100%)NANA
19883Labrador Retriever (1) (33%)
Rottweiler (1) (33%)
Wolfdog (1) (33%)
NANA
19892German Shepherd (1) (50%)
Rottweiler (1) (50%)
NANA
19901German shepherd (1) (100%)NANA
19957Rottweiler (4) (57%)Mixed breed dog (2) (29%)Chow Chow (1) (14%)
19966Rottweiler (6) (100%)German Shepherd (1) (17%)NA
19994Mixed breed dog (2) (50%)Airedale Terrier (1) (25%)
Unknown dog (1) (25%)
NA
20005Mixed breed dog (2) (40%)Rottweiler (1) (20%)
Pit bull (1) (20%)
Pomeranian (1) (20%)
NA
200113Rottweiler (6) (46%)Mixed breed dog (1) (8%)
Perro de Presa Canario (1) (8%)
Unknown strays (1) (8%)
Pit bull (1) (8%)
Chow (1) (8%)
Husky (1) (8%)
NA
20026Rottweiler (4) (67%)Mixed breed dog (2) (33%)German Shepherd (1) (17%)
200314Rottweiler (5) (36%)Pit Bull (4) (29%)Mixed breed dog (3) (21%)
200415Mixed breed dog (10) (67%)Pit Bull (3) (20%)Rottweiler (2) (13%)
200529Mixed breed dog (11) (38%)Pit bull (10) (34%)Rottweiler (4) (14%)
200630Pit bull (14) (47%)Rottweiler (9) (30%)Mixed breed dog (4) (13%)
200734Pit bull (14) (41%)Mixed breed dog (7) (21%)Rottweiler (4) (12%)
200823Pit bull (12) (52%)Mixed breed dog (7) (30%)Husky (2) (9%)
200931Pit bull (11) (35%)
Mixed breed dog (11) (35%)
Rottweiler (2) (6%)
Husky (2) (6%)
Mastiff (1) (3%)
Boxer (1) (3%)
Alaskan Malamute (1) (3%)
Weimaraner (1) (3%)
201036Pit bull (15) (42%)Mixed breed dog (9) (25%)Rottweiler (4) (11%)
201133Pit bull (14) (42%)Mixed breed dog (8) (24%)Rottweiler (4) (12%)
201234Pit bull (13) (38%)Mixed breed dog (9) (26%)Rottweiler (3) (9%)

 

echelon1k1

New Member
dont be dumb and i wont have to bogan


keep making unfounded generalizations tard
Firstly, source your copy and pastes, don't try and pass it off as your own idiot...

Secondly, NCRC is referring to visual identification of breeds and how inherently inaccurate that is bar dna - why don't you read what you plagiarise first.

Lastly, do you actually have a point? As everything I've said is fact and you have not disputed my claims.

Remember, adults are talking, wait your turn...
 

Samwell Seed Well

Well-Known Member
Firstly, source your copy and pastes, don't try and pass it off as your own idiot...

Secondly, NCRC is referring to visual identification of breeds and how inherently inaccurate that is bar dna - why don't you read what you plagiarise first.

Lastly, do you actually have a point? As everything I've said is fact and you have not disputed my claims.

Remember, adults are talking, wait your turn...
visual identification it sure says that under the tittle my bad
http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/2011 Final Investigative DBRF Report.pdf
"Investigative Reports
of
Dog Bite
-
Related Fatalities"



and actually the study suggest that dogs not responsibly taken care of are aggressive or prone to it
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
I read gas meters one summer. I got bit by more small little dogs than big ones. Knowing how to handle a strange dog is the key safety. You have to know what the dog considers as aggression. Trespassing in his/her territory is a good way to get bit by any dog regardless of size. Eye contact, being stiff (no pervs not that kind of stiff) and approach all matter, they are subtle clues to the dog of your intentions. The problem is we are miscommunicating with the animals and not knowing it. This confusion can have tragic results for both the dog and the people.
All dog bites are bad news. Attacking them on their soil is out of the question. But, on the street I am very agressive and low slung and they it get, mostly. I will not let my dogs in it. It's big chief that does all the dog aggression. They just bark from behind me.

You cannot let them have those swinging wrists and heels.... too fast for you to run. But, that is the instinct, the brain fear.

A stick means everything to a dog. And I especially like The Whisper's technique, a tennis racket...perfect for small dogs.
Mostly for blocking.... but a small dog....swing for the fences. :)
 

nontheist

Well-Known Member
right ......i write like that ....all the time......stfu bogan

pit bull is not a breed


[h=2]Myth #2: It's impossible to identify a pit bull[/h]Pit bull advocates frequently claim that the average person cannot correctly identify a pit bull. As discussed in the Pit Bull FAQ, the pit bull is a class of dogs made up of several close dog breeds (See: What is a pit bull?). This false claim is designed to confuse the public just like the breed's history of changing names is intended to do (See: Disguise breed name). As recently told to us by a top U.S. animal control enforcement officer, "If it looks like a pit bull, it usually is."
Pit bull advocates have even created deceptive online tests (Find the Pit Bull) to further confuse the media, policymakers and the public. These tests are inaccurate and intentionally crafted to show that the average person cannot correctly identify a pit bull. DogsBite.org has created a more realistic test that shows a variety of popular dog breeds. Once one begins to understand the frame, posture and distinct head and jaw size of a pit bull, identification is immediate.
 

Samwell Seed Well

Well-Known Member
Myth #2: It's impossible to identify a pit bull

Pit bull advocates frequently claim that the average person cannot correctly identify a pit bull. As discussed in the Pit Bull FAQ, the pit bull is a class of dogs made up of several close dog breeds (See: What is a pit bull?). This false claim is designed to confuse the public just like the breed's history of changing names is intended to do (See: Disguise breed name). As recently told to us by a top U.S. animal control enforcement officer, "If it looks like a pit bull, it usually is."
Pit bull advocates have even created deceptive online tests (Find the Pit Bull) to further confuse the media, policymakers and the public. These tests are inaccurate and intentionally crafted to show that the average person cannot correctly identify a pit bull. DogsBite.org has created a more realistic test that shows a variety of popular dog breeds. Once one begins to understand the frame, posture and distinct head and jaw size of a pit bull, identification is immediate.

huh the atheist clinging to to public perception.....to fucking pathetic



ill stick to genetic markers........you know working science

vs pseudo science
 

echelon1k1

New Member
right ......i write like that ....all the time......stfu bogan

pit bull is not a breed


So when I state no breed is dangerous, you assert that pitbull is not a breed but a 'bitsa'... You haven't actually disputed anything I've said rather strengthened my position that breed has nothing to do with a dogs aggressiveness & prey drive. It also throws into doubt any argument one would have towards banning a breed based on 'breed' alone. Next time read what you plagiarise first to actually understand it.
 

echelon1k1

New Member
All dog bites are bad news. Attacking them on their soil is out of the question. But, on the street I am very agressive and low slung and they it get, mostly. I will not let my dogs in it. It's big chief that does all the dog aggression. They just bark from behind me.

You cannot let them have those swinging wrists and heels.... too fast for you to run. But, that is the instinct, the brain fear.

A stick means everything to a dog. And I especially like The Whisper's technique, a tennis racket...perfect for small dogs.
Mostly for blocking.... but a small dog....swing for the fences. :)
doer: as to the bolded; aggressive or dominant alpha male? The two are very distinct

And yeah tennis racquets work well for the ankle bitters ;-)
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
In a very real way there is only one Canine. There is almost no difference between a wolf and a dog.

Dogs come from wolves and the original Asian wolf looks like a little yellow dog.


http://runningwiththewolves.org/wolfinourdog.htm
The dog is presumed to be the first animal to be domesticated and the only one to succumb to the process voluntarily. Keep in mind that domestication--far different from simply taming an animal-requires generations of selective breeding and molding efforts.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
So, all dogs are molded to purpose by selection.

1st - the ones fast enough not to be killed and eaten by us
2nd - the ones that actually like being around us and behave enough get tossed the bone.

Pit Bulls are no different. And though the precursor breeds were hunters, these are dial in, dog fighters.

The American Pit Bull Terrier was created by interbreeding Old English Terriers and English Bulldogs to produce a dog that combined the gameness (a quality of fighting dogs or working terriers; eagerness despite the threat of substantive injury) of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the bulldog.[SUP][15][/SUP]
 
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