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Canna Sylvan

Well-Known Member
#plantstrong
I hope one day Buck's new pit eats him. It'd serve him right for thinking there's such a thing as "cruelty free" killing. Killing is always cruel. Unless an animal or human is in pain, killing is wrong. It's why I'm against sweat shops, eating animals, abortion and the death penalty. But I'll make an exception for Buck. I'll have to meditate on my evil ways.
 

Flaming Pie

Well-Known Member
She ran fine with my other dog, a german shepherd. She was super sweet up until I just left here alone ONE night. Up until then she was in a crate next to my bed so she could see me. I'd put her in there, let her see me while I read a book or whatever before bed. Then in the morning I'd let her out to potty and stay in the back yard until I got home, at which point we'd play a bit and she'd get back to playing with the german shepherd. But after one night alone in the kitchen, she snapped. I thought I'd slowly train her to stay in the kitchen and finally outside like the shepherd. She tried to constantly bite me and growl after that night alone. It was so sad.
Crate all night. Outside without human interaction all day.

Hmmm...
 

Flaming Pie

Well-Known Member
Can't leave a pup (which they still are until around 6-8 months) alone for 8 hours a day. Even with animal companion.
 

BarnBuster

Virtually Unknown Member
Can't leave a pup (which they still are until around 6-8 months) alone for 8 hours a day. Even with animal companion.
When I was still working, I felt bad leaving my older Doberman and Rottweiler at home all day without a noon visit, although they didn't seem too upset when I walked in, sleeping upside down on the couch. I do agree with you FP, but didn't he say it was only once? I wouldn't think the pup would have such a drastic and permanent behavior change after one time. Maybe I missed something.
 

Canna Sylvan

Well-Known Member
When I was still working, I felt bad leaving my older Doberman and Rottweiler at home all day without a noon visit, although they didn't seem too upset when I walked in, sleeping upside down on the couch. I do agree with you FP, but didn't he say it was only once? I wouldn't think the pup would have such a drastic and permanent behavior change after one time. Maybe I missed something.
Yes it was one time. My problem was dogs are dogs. They're not people, children nor your friend. They're your companion.

I treated her like a little princess. So the first time she was alone for one night at nearly five months, she snapped, since she thought of herself as the alpha. Your companion must know it's place as the omega. If a dog thinks it's an alpha, then once it gets the hint humans are the alpha, it will try to challenge.

Pits are especially prone to getting aggressive once they find out they're not the princess you treat them as.
 

burgertime2010

Well-Known Member
Pit Bulls are great, pit mixes as well. They are smart, very sweet actually, loyal, protective, and usually not hyper. They get a bullshit reputation as dangerous only because a lot of assholes tend to be drawn to them. If you train and socialize them properly they are not dangerous right? German Shepherds are the most dangerous breed, Rhodesian ridgebacks, Mastiffs, Dobermans, and Rottweiler's are bred for hunting and attacking humans. The shepherd is known to snap. I have been bit in the face along my cheek line by a friends German and in my ass by a loose one. I have 2 mixed pits and they are crate trained which might be more difficult to accomplish wit an adult Pit. It is not cruel to crate a dog, they are den animals and end up voluntarily relaxing in the crate as it make them feel safe. You forget that dogs take on the persona of their master. German shepherds are statistically the most dangerous period! You are misinformed CS...no offense. I have had a wolf/shepherd/lab mix, 2 pits, a ridgeback, a retriever and have been to training schools. The Pits are so excited when any person shows up I don't even bother training them to chill. I make the guest say hello, pet them, and say their name. Just please don't perpetuate the misinformation about them. Buck, I am sure you already know this but hip problems can take pure pits down way before their time....the mix is the best bet in my view....cool phenos too. CS give pits another review.
 

Canna Sylvan

Well-Known Member
Pit Bulls are great, pit mixes as well. They are smart, very sweet actually, loyal, protective, and usually not hyper. They get a bullshit reputation as dangerous only because a lot of assholes tend to be drawn to them. If you train and socialize them properly they are not dangerous right? German Shepherds are the most dangerous breed, Rhodesian ridgebacks, Mastiffs, Dobermans, and Rottweiler's are bred for hunting and attacking humans. The shepherd is known to snap. I have been bit in the face along my cheek line by a friends German and in my ass by a loose one. I have 2 mixed pits and they are crate trained which might be more difficult to accomplish wit an adult Pit. It is not cruel to crate a dog, they are den animals and end up voluntarily relaxing in the crate as it make them feel safe. You forget that dogs take on the persona of their master. German shepherds are statistically the most dangerous period! You are misinformed CS...no offense. I have had a wolf/shepherd/lab mix, 2 pits, a ridgeback, a retriever and have been to training schools. The Pits are so excited when any person shows up I don't even bother training them to chill. I make the guest say hello, pet them, and say their name. Just please don't perpetuate the misinformation about them. Buck, I am sure you already know this but hip problems can take pure pits down way before their time....the mix is the best bet in my view....cool phenos too. CS give pits another review.
I have my chihuahua right here beside me now. She sleeps on the couch until I get sleepy and go to bed. Then I put her to bed on her pillow in the laundry room. She is the sweetest thing. But if she ever tried to latch on, pit fight style, to one of my children, it only takes one swift kick and she'd be flying across the room. Chances are, your kid is very likely dead if that pit were to do the same thing.

If I have the choice between picking Ghandi or Ghengis Khan as my room mate, who should I choose? Considering they were sincere in picking my Craigs list roomy ad, I'm pretty sure both would be reliable with the rent. But who would you pick?
 

echelon1k1

New Member
Pit Bulls are great, pit mixes as well. They are smart, very sweet actually, loyal, protective, and usually not hyper. They get a bullshit reputation as dangerous only because a lot of assholes tend to be drawn to them. If you train and socialize them properly they are not dangerous right? German Shepherds are the most dangerous breed, Rhodesian ridgebacks, Mastiffs, Dobermans, and Rottweiler's are bred for hunting and attacking humans. The shepherd is known to snap. I have been bit in the face along my cheek line by a friends German and in my ass by a loose one. I have 2 mixed pits and they are crate trained which might be more difficult to accomplish wit an adult Pit. It is not cruel to crate a dog, they are den animals and end up voluntarily relaxing in the crate as it make them feel safe. You forget that dogs take on the persona of their master. German shepherds are statistically the most dangerous period! You are misinformed CS...no offense. I have had a wolf/shepherd/lab mix, 2 pits, a ridgeback, a retriever and have been to training schools. The Pits are so excited when any person shows up I don't even bother training them to chill. I make the guest say hello, pet them, and say their name. Just please don't perpetuate the misinformation about them. Buck, I am sure you already know this but hip problems can take pure pits down way before their time....the mix is the best bet in my view....cool phenos too. CS give pits another review.
The bolded is false; no breeds are dangerous. please don't perpetuate misinformation.
 

burgertime2010

Well-Known Member
I have my chihuahua right here beside me now. She sleeps on the couch until I get sleepy and go to bed. Then I put her to bed on her pillow in the laundry room. She is the sweetest thing. But if she ever tried to latch on, pit fight style, to one of my children, it only takes one swift kick and she'd be flying across the room. Chances are, your kid is very likely dead if that pit were to do the same thing.

If I have the choice between picking Ghandi or Ghengis Khan as my room mate, who should I choose? Considering they were sincere in picking my Craigs list roomy ad, I'm pretty sure both would be reliable with the rent. But who would you pick?
I would choose Ghandi, but size is the issue in the example here not attitude. If a Chihuahua were the same size as a pit they would be very dangerous. The thing you need to see you can only understand by spending time with them. Funny my pit knows we are talking about him.....he just jumped up kissed my face and ran off. No joke. The newsmedia reports on pit-bull attacks only, they demonize the breed and I would probably agree with you if I had only that to go on. I know them well....the family is their life and they will protect you. My pit refuses to sleep if he is not between me and a point of entry....he is watching out for me.
 

echelon1k1

New Member
they are responsible for the most bites...my doctor told me that. Do you think breeding has no part in aggressive behavior?
Define dangerous? And no breeding has no part to play in the "aggressiveness" of a K9 in this day and age. With other animals and wolves in particular yes, but not with domesticated dogs.
 

burgertime2010

Well-Known Member
Define dangerous? And no breeding has no part to play in the "aggressiveness" of a K9 in this day and age. With other animals and wolves in particular yes, but not with domesticated dogs.
Dangerous is biting. The breed is not ancient. law enforcement uses them for a reason. A golden retriever and a german shepherd are distincty different in their behavior no?
 

2xcharming

Active Member
Mistake #1-
Pitbulls are evil little shits. This coming from the vegan who loves animals. I rescued a 6 week puppy, very adorable blue nose, from a guy who wanted to fight it. It was very loving until about 3 months old. I tried to train it to stay alone in the kitchen. When I came back in the morning, the thing wanted to kill me. It was very angry. It was small, so it was funny . But had that been a 90 lb or so adult, I'd be dead. I miss Jenny too, even though she was an evil shit.

I also had a friend whose pit bull was friendly. He went on vacation. His sister fed it and came over to play with it once a day. Then one day she opened the fence to say hello and feed it, the damn evil shit pounced on her and nearly killed her. Now his sister has "no" face.

Pit bulls were bred for evil. All they can do is kill. This is why I hate humans and became vegan. Well, one of the reasons.
Do you think an abused and neglected child is funny when they act out when they are little. That being small makes somebody's pain any less real. The dog told you he didn't trust you but you didn't listen. Let me guess you had him "put to sleep".
 

2xcharming

Active Member
I read gas meters one summer. I got bit by more small little dogs than big ones. Knowing how to handle a strange dog is the key safety. You have to know what the dog considers as aggression. Trespassing in his/her territory is a good way to get bit by any dog regardless of size. Eye contact, being stiff (no pervs not that kind of stiff) and approach all matter, they are subtle clues to the dog of your intentions. The problem is we are miscommunicating with the animals and not knowing it. This confusion can have tragic results for both the dog and the people.
 

Samwell Seed Well

Well-Known Member
Mistake #1- Do you think an abused and neglected child is funny when they act out when they are little. That being small makes somebody's pain any less real. The dog told you he didn't trust you but you didn't listen. Let me guess you had him "put to sleep".
cs is a train wreck
 

Samwell Seed Well

Well-Known Member
The bolded is false; no breeds are dangerous. please don't perpetuate misinformation.
educate your self bogan

dont believe what the US media upchucks

"
BREED ATTRIBUTION IN DOG BITE
-
RELATED FATALITIES IS UNRELIABLE
The news media regularly describe dogs as members of breeds. However, recent developments
in canine genetics, along with extensive surveys conducted by university researchers, show that
breed identification of dogs of unknown origin based on visual inspection does not correspond
with DNA analysis of the same dogs. Equally important, the professionals surveyed disagreed
with each other when they attributed a breed or mix of breeds to the same dog. "



pit bull is a blanket term, and only a facade as a breed starting point


ignant is as ignant does


"

NCRC's preliminary findings for 2012 are consistent with findings concerning the dog bite
-
related
fatalities of years past. In 2011, the news media initially described the dogs in 21 of 31 (68%) dog
bite
-
related fatalities as family pets, but investigations disclose that only 6 (19%) were family
pets.** Based on our preliminary investigations of incidents that occurred in 2012 the majority of
dogs were not family pets, but resident dogs. Resident dogs, whether confined within a dwelling
or otherwise, are dogs isolated by their owners from regular, positive human interactions. Owners
often keep resident dogs isolated on chains, in junk
-
yards, in basements, or allow them to roam
unattended. Owners of resident dogs often fail to provide basic humane care or veterinary ser-
vices for their dogs, resulting in animals that suffer from malnutrition, chronic disease or illness"
 

Samwell Seed Well

Well-Known Member
Conclusion
Dog bite

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related fatalities are exceedingly rare. In 2011, 31 fatalities occurred within a human

population of more than 310 million and a canine population estimated at over 70 million. The

interactions between dogs and humans are so numerous and complex that no one factor can

possibly be considered, in isolation from any other factors, to be the sole cause. There is no sci-

entific evidence that one kind of dog is more likely to injure a human being than another kind of
dog. There is no evidence that, absent circumstances specifically associated with mating or ma-
ternal protectiveness, a dog being intact should be understood as a cause of aggressive behavior

toward human beings. And for every dog that injured someone and who had been denied a posi-

tive human relationship, untold numbers similarly kept injured no one.
Inaccurate and misleading information is regularly published about dog bite

-
related fatalities. We

issue this collection of reports in the interest of accuracy and completeness
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the more deeply
one examines these incidents, the more likely one is to appreciate their complexity.
These rare tragedies remind us that all dog owners have an unequivocal responsibility for the hu-

mane care (including proper diet, veterinary care, socialization and training), custody (including
licensing and micro

-

chipping), and control of their dogs.
 

echelon1k1

New Member
educate your self bogan

dont believe what the US media upchucks

"
BREED ATTRIBUTION IN DOG BITE
-
RELATED FATALITIES IS UNRELIABLE
The news media regularly describe dogs as members of breeds. However, recent developments
in canine genetics, along with extensive surveys conducted by university researchers, show that
breed identification of dogs of unknown origin based on visual inspection does not correspond
with DNA analysis of the same dogs. Equally important, the professionals surveyed disagreed
with each other when they attributed a breed or mix of breeds to the same dog. "



pit bull is a blanket term, and only a facade as a breed starting point


ignant is as ignant does


"

NCRC's preliminary findings for 2012 are consistent with findings concerning the dog bite
-
related
fatalities of years past. In 2011, the news media initially described the dogs in 21 of 31 (68%) dog
bite
-
related fatalities as family pets, but investigations disclose that only 6 (19%) were family
pets.** Based on our preliminary investigations of incidents that occurred in 2012 the majority of
dogs were not family pets, but resident dogs. Resident dogs, whether confined within a dwelling
or otherwise, are dogs isolated by their owners from regular, positive human interactions. Owners
often keep resident dogs isolated on chains, in junk
-
yards, in basements, or allow them to roam
unattended. Owners of resident dogs often fail to provide basic humane care or veterinary ser-
vices for their dogs, resulting in animals that suffer from malnutrition, chronic disease or illness"
don't copy and paste shit you don't understand... if you think that's a reply to my post you are a moron...
 
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