Should young black men and boys be afraid of white people?

[desert dude]

Welfare state? What planet are you posting from?

It is astonishing how you can stay informed if you read a book occasionally.

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[h=3]Post-1960s expansion of the US welfare state[/h] Main articles: Great Society and Social programs in the United States
Economist Thomas Sowell argues that the significant expansion of federal welfare under the Great Society programs beginning in the 1960s contributed to the destruction of African American families.[SUP][12][/SUP] Sowell has argued that "the black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life."[SUP][12]"[/SUP]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

 

[ginwilly]

This country has never had a welfare state. If you think we have, than you need to turn off the propaganda channel and get an education (if you can afford it). A Welfare state is a country with a social democratic model, or a mixed economy like Sweden, Finland, Norway, and Denmark.

So I take your mind is closed and you refuse to watch the Nixon/Kennedy debate. Sorry I tried.

 

[abandonconflict]

What causes the preponderance of crime in the Af-Am community? You could postulate lots of reasonable explanations. My favorite is the war on poverty, which created the welfare state that destroyed the nuclear family in the Af-Am community. That led to multiple generations of Af-Am families with no father present. Let's be honest here though, Buck, you don't give a shit about any of this beyond "blame whitey", it's the progressive's game. I predict it will end badly.

Why do you think the race hustlers are trembling with outrage about the non-problem of white racism while ignoring the real problem? This is your opportunity to lecture us about how racist we crackers are.

This is the result of "the welfare state" you say?

http://www.alternet.org/story/154587/1_in_3_black_men_go_to_prison_the_10_most_disturbing_facts_about_racial_inequality_in_the__u.s._criminal_justice_system

1 in 3 Black Men Go To Prison?
1. While people of color make up about 30 percent of the United States’ population, they account for 60 percent of those imprisoned. The prison population grew by 700 percent from 1970 to 2005, a rate that is outpacing crime and population rates. The incarceration rates disproportionately impact men of color: 1 in every 15 African American men and 1 in every 36 Hispanic men are incarcerated in comparison to 1 in every 106 white men.


2. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, one in three black men can expect to go to prison in their lifetime. Individuals of color have a disproportionate number of encounters with law enforcement, indicating that racial profiling continues to be a problem. A report by the Department of Justice found that blacks and Hispanics were approximately three times more likely to be searchedduring a traffic stop than white motorists. African Americans were twice as likely to be arrested and almost four times as likely to experience the use of force during encounters with the police.

Image from ACLU and article from Alternet also used ACLU as source.

Basically, what you call "the welfare state", is actually the prison industrial complex feeding upon the lower economic echelons of society.

Your privilege is not natural. White privilege is not the result of superiority. It is the result of centuries of oppression, genocide, book burning, war, colonialism, small pox, and a neoliberal trade empire.

 

[NLXSK1]

you do know that a statistic is just that a piece of data, shown with in a system or range of other values

it is no easy indication of anything other than the unbiased stat itself

and i would argue that the LE and judicial system and its effects on said citizens of united states breeds a self perpetuating system of abuse and neglect . . . . .

but cusality does not seem important here, just easy button finger pointing, which is weak suace

the stats are a indication of a bigger problem . . not anything to do with melanin ratios in skin or ancestry

The stat in this case is the number of assailants. Not the number arrested, nor prosecuted, nor convicted. If the number is 98% or even 90% why do you feel the need to demand that people ignore it?

 

[abandonconflict]

5 star thread

 

[Bombur]

Of course skin color doesnt actually make anyone more dangerous. But it is a fact that blacks commit more violent crime. I personally believe it's because of deeply ingrained socio economic problems that minorities have always faced.

But at the end of the day, blacks still commit more crimes.. regardless of the cause, it makes sense to profile people to a degree, depending on the setting. I live in what most would consider a bad neighborhood, and I would be stupid not to profile people sometimes. I walk home from work every night, and I admit to flat out avoiding groups of young black guys dressed like thugs. Ive been robbed and mugged a number of times and it's never been a white guy in a polo shirt..

It's just common sense to profile people, but there is nothing genetically inherent in blacks that makes them more dangerous. It's much deeper than that, surely going all the way back to slavery.

 

[desert dude]

hey desert dud, what do you think it is about that melanin that makes the negro act all crazy and violent? do you suppose it has anything to do with the devil's reefer and their jazz music? shouldi make sure our white women walk on the opposite side of the road as darkie?

thanks in advance!

Maybe so.

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What about interracial crime, white-on-black attacks and the reverse?


After researching the FBI numbers for “Suicide of a Superpower,” this writer concluded: “An analysis of ‘single offender victimization figures’ from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study.”

Though blacks are outnumbered 5-to-1 in the population by whites, they commit eight times as many crimes against whites as the reverse. By those 2007 numbers, a black male was 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse."

http://www.eurasiareview.com/19072013-patrick-buchanan-black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism-oped/

 

[Impman]

Abe Lincoln saw this coming. He wanted to colonize the blacks back in Africa. But sadly he was assasinated. Now we have a big shit mess just as he forsaw. This problem will never get fixed.

 

[Impman]

we are genetically the same and bit socially screwed the f up

 

[desert dude]

This is the result of "the welfare state" you say?

http://www.alternet.org/story/154587/1_in_3_black_men_go_to_prison_the_10_most_disturbing_facts_about_racial_inequality_in_the__u.s._criminal_justice_system

Image from ACLU and article from Alternet also used ACLU as source.

Basically, what you call "the welfare state", is actually the prison industrial complex feeding upon the lower economic echelons of society.

Your privilege is not natural. White privilege is not the result of superiority. It is the result of centuries of oppression, genocide, book burning, war, colonialism, small pox, and a neoliberal trade empire.

The creation of the welfare state precedes your statistics. It started in the 1960s. I agree that the US is putting too many people in prison; the drug war is the root cause of it.

 

[abandonconflict]

The creation of the welfare state precedes your statistics.

The welfare state is the cause of inequality then?

 

[direwolf71]

Frank Zappa : Hey, you know something pe ople? I'm not black, but there's a whole lots a times I wish I could say I'm not white.

 

[abandonconflict]

Something for the people who come into this thread and find offensive racial arguments, here is a morsel to take away. Here is something you will find positive in a thread made simply to offend you.

"Conventional wisdom would have one believe that it is insane to resist this, the mightiest of empires.... But what history really shows is that today's empire is tomorrow's ashes, that nothing lasts forever, and that to not resist is to acquiesce in your own oppression. The greatest form of sanity that anyone can exercise is to resist that force that is trying to repress, oppress, and fight down the human spirit." ~Mumia Abu-Jamal

[video=youtube;cwMknGllKaw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwMknGllKaw[/video]

Racism is an extension of classism which is ultimately a war on us all.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

The stat in this case is the number of assailants. Not the number arrested, nor prosecuted, nor convicted. If the number is 98% or even 90% why do you feel the need to demand that people ignore it?

no but i expect those who demand we all listen will paint it as the divining light in a world ruined by the typical dark skinned Disney villain

well played sirs . . .. .. ignore the forest for the trees

 

[abandonconflict]

[video=youtube;68GbzIkYdc8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68GbzIkYdc8[/video]

 

[cannabineer]

Something for the people who come into this thread and find offensive racial arguments, here is a morsel to take away. Here is something you will find positive in a thread made simply to offend you.

[video=youtube;cwMknGllKaw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwMknGllKaw[/video]

Racism is an extension of classism which is ultimately a war on us all.

Dissenting opinion. Racism is part of our natures. Classism is a much less old andor natural concept. Trying to reframe it as merely "an extension" of a favorite sociopolitical model/paradigm is begging a question imo. cn

 

[NLXSK1]

Maybe so.

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What about interracial crime, white-on-black attacks and the reverse?


After researching the FBI numbers for “Suicide of a Superpower,” this writer concluded: “An analysis of ‘single offender victimization figures’ from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study.”

Though blacks are outnumbered 5-to-1 in the population by whites, they commit eight times as many crimes against whites as the reverse. By those 2007 numbers, a black male was 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse."

http://www.eurasiareview.com/19072013-patrick-buchanan-black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism-oped/

That is because most white men are terrified of black women

 

[NLXSK1]

no but i expect those who demand we all listen will paint it as the divining light in a world ruined by the typical dark skinned Disney villain

well played sirs . . .. .. ignore the forest for the trees

I dont view things through the prism of race.

The world (America) is being destroyed by the politicians and they come in every color.

 

[abandonconflict]

Dissenting opinion. Racism is part of our natures. Classism is a much less old andor natural concept. Trying to reframe it as merely "an extension" of a favorite sociopolitical model/paradigm is begging a question imo. cn

Expound and include scientific sources. You're claiming clearly something about human nature and it is completely worthless with out scientific research. Sociopolitical models are extremely relevant to anthropological study, so I am not re-framing anything. Furthermore, "merely an extension" is misleading use of the adjective. It implies I am making light of the greatest struggle in human existence.

I'll be waiting for some science to back your claims about human nature.

 

[UncleBuck]

What causes the preponderance of crime in the Af-Am community?

here we go with the most retarded argument imaginable.

You could postulate lots of reasonable explanations. My favorite is the war on poverty, which created the welfare state that destroyed the nuclear family in the Af-Am community. That led to multiple generations of Af-Am families with no father present.

and there it is.

ignore hundreds of years of history, ignore the ongoing imbalance in the "justice" system, it's all because we tried handing out food stamps to hungry children and families of any color, and yet it somehow only ensnared those darkies, eh?

did you read this retarded theory from an essayist for a regional magazine by the pen name of nietzschekeen or something?

Let's be honest here though, Buck, you don't give a shit about any of this beyond "blame whitey", it's the progressive's game. I predict it will end badly.

there ya go. that's a very clever iteration of "anti racist is code for anti white", just as any stormfront peon loves to recite.

Why do you think the race hustlers are trembling with outrage about the non-problem of white racism while ignoring the real problem? This is your opportunity to lecture us about how racist we crackers are.

the "non problem of white racism"? are you fucking shitting me?

what do you think segregated the blacks in america and kept them persecuted for centuries? was it white kindness that disallowed blacks from even voting for a century after they should have been able to?

is it simply mere coincidence that blacks are more likely to be pulled over, searched, and arrested, and then more likely to face a tougher punishment for the same crime? or does that all fold neatly into you retarded theory of "the non problem of white racism"?

seriously, what white supremacist website are you summarizing and disguising this argument from?