USA - Probably the most ****ed up country on earth

[Rob Roy]

This is confusing...I see that. If you really think state rights is an oxymoron, then you are just not up to scratch.

And do you think, you can I, can just buy an island? Sure. But, can we declare it sovereign? Sure. Will we piss off the Sovereign? Oh yes. The Falklands is a minor example. The wealth is vast as a sovereign. Yours to fuck up. There for the taking if you fuck up. It is not paperwork. It is blood.

This was tried recently. A mercenary coup in the Saychelles failed in the 90s. A sovereign casino Island near Australia was reclaimed by Indonesian Paratroopers who were not kidding.

BLOOD. The reason for N. Ireland, is a protectorate of England, a region, is that the Protestants would burn out the Catholics there, as I understand it.

Surely it is more complicated that that. But, they immediately opted out of the Irish Free State which then became a Republic by the Gun. Good Job, Ireland.

The N.I. are in a particularly strange situation, because they have a "Constitution." But, is more like regular legislation and can be changed on a simple vote in the Parliament.

You are a good think, Roy, but still a bit out of touch with the facts of history.

Sovereigns are not declared. People are fought to death about it. Then you have to get recognized by the Big Bucket of Offal. The UN.

Just because something occurs on a regular basis, is even declared to be "normal" that doesn't make it necessarily correct.

A state by definition holds a monopoly on force within a given physical area. Therefore the persons within that given area are "subjects", not sovereigns. In a comparative sense a state can be independent from another state or country, but for the people within that given area to be truly sovereign, the state could not arbitrarily control them.

You should drink more coffee in the morning.

 

[Doer]

Just because something occurs on a regular basis, is even declared to be "normal" that doesn't make it necessarily correct.

A state by definition holds a monopoly on force within a given physical area. Therefore the persons within that given area are "subjects", not sovereigns. In a comparative sense a state can be independent from another state or country, but for the people within that given area to be truly sovereign, the state could not arbitrarily control them.

You should drink more coffee in the morning.

You swerve into philosophy and the "way it should be," fantasy.

1- you don't know, for me, what it should be. You have not thought this through for yourself.

(I'm a liter in on French Roast, this AM, so leave that shit behind too. I'll be stoned by 9am.)

2- I know your beef. Why do I.....?

Here is why? You need protection. You don't think you do. You think you can protect yourself, but you can't.

If you would just think this through, and there is plenty of books about it, you could see this is all about protection.

So, you want to be a trader sovereign not beholding to anyone. And yet you are, more or less. More than anyone on the Planet probably, with your lifestyle. The Big Bucket, UN and the USA have your back, in a way you just can't see. Not well read?

People take by force , rape and kill. And I don't care if you have 50 guys or a 100. I can come with 6 operators and fuck you up. The USA does this all the time. Why would you be exempt?

You fear the ways of power so you reject them. They have you there. You are not an actually sovereign like that.

Long ago, there were Sovereigns. The Founders. They knew that if they went home as said that is that, they would not last as sovereigns. This is real, not some concept. They would not last. E Pluribus Unum. They had to create a Protection.

That had to commission Frigates, build rifles, and send the best to be killed, for us. That is constant and our guys get killed for you constantly. You didn't even have to ask them.
You have RIGHTS. They defend.

So, you don't like it. You don't have to. That is also the 9th A.

 

[Highlowazupkush]

I didn't read a word of that stuff ^ but I disagree with doer. He's never right when it comes to important issues.

 

[Doer]

Correct. I am not trying to win or be right. I am discussing issues, with no real answer, (Politics) among adults and swatting flies. Some of the flies think it a right fight. <shrug>

 

[VILEPLUME]

It isn't that America is fucked up, it is just that every country wants to be the most powerful. America tries to do this by going to war and taking over countries like how Rome did during the Roman Empire.

One of the major problems due to the Roman Empire fall was the political positions were being bought or given to the wealthy business owners.

Empires rise and fall, money and power are usually the main motivators.

 

[Highlowazupkush]

Correct. I am not trying to win or be right. I am discussing issues, with no real answer, (Politics) among adults and swatting flies. Some of the flies think it a right fight. <shrug>

You're not trying to win or be right? ok that sounds good, for once. Then what's your take on the world wide mutually agreed on opinion that Americans are generally dumbed down and brainwashed by the Propaganda Machine that runs the media in the US?


Too hard to answer? you're gonna ignore the question and say something completely irrelevant? Yea that was predictable.

It isn't that America is fucked up, it is just that every country wants to be the most powerful.

Fail & wrong.

America tries to do this by going to war and taking over countries like how Rome did during the Roman Empire.

One of the major problems due to the Roman Empire fall was the political positions were being bought or given to the wealthy business owners.

Empires rise and fall, money and power are usually the main motivators.

So, you don't think that the non existent food safety and quality standards in the USA make it a fucked up country?

There are TONS of things that make the USA a fucked up country all on its own, which have nothing to do with foreign issues.

 

[skunkd0c]

It isn't that America is fucked up, it is just that every country wants to be the most powerful. America tries to do this by going to war and taking over countries like how Rome did during the Roman Empire.

One of the major problems due to the Roman Empire fall was the political positions were being bought or given to the wealthy business owners.

Empires rise and fall, money and power are usually the main motivators.

i think you're right its not just a yankee problem but maybe its a human problem

we humans are so common-place as a species we are of little value as individuals and on the whole seen as replaceable or expendable by Governments, employers etc
recently 500 people applied for a toilet cleaning job 300 people applied to be a burger flipper at McDonalds

if i were one of the more powerful humans a billionaire perhaps , i wounder if i would look down from my penthouse suite on the McDonalds employees with pity
or weather i would see them as human garbage under achievers who should be eradicated,
but who will clean my toilet must keep some slave class folk around to do the dirty jobs i guess

i did hear once, not all psychopaths kill people
some psychopaths more commonly known as corporate psychopaths do not tend to murder folk
but they do have contempt for all other humans and no ability to empathise a narcissistic personality disorder similar to your regular murdering serial killer psychopath
it has also been said that many of the so called leaders of the world are corporate psychopaths lol

 

[Doer]

You're not trying to win or be right? ok that sounds good, for once. Then what's your take on the world wide mutually agreed on opinion that Americans are generally dumbed down and brainwashed by the Propaganda Machine that runs the media in the US?


Too hard to answer? you're gonna ignore the question and say something completely irrelevant? Yea that was predictable.

So, you don't think that the non existent food safety and quality standards in the USA make it a fucked up country?

There are TONS of things that make the USA a fucked up country all on its own, which have nothing to do with foreign issues.

I think it is completely fucked up. I have said that many times. I never said we have any right to do what we do.

I have said many times we are hopelessly fucked up in self rule. But, we did that and we will keep doing what we want until someone can do more than talk about something different.

I said this is REAL and any opinions, especially my own, are irrelevant. So, certainly what the world says doesn't matter. We have the 9th Amendment. We already have freedoms we have not dreamed of yet.

Of course, the world admires the best stuff, the sausage so to speak, but you think the making of the USA sausage is fucked up.

You might say the taste is disgusting, this sausage, some called the Imperial USA. But, many many people suffer less for it. And we make sure some suffer even more because of what they aim to do to us. Or that is what we think or were told or brainwashed or whatever.

But, we don't care. It is for us only. It looks bad, but we like it. You say it is fucked up by some world standard. I say it is self rule by WE the People. Our standard. And have said many times that our standard in self rule is Selfish, in our outlook to the world.

I say, OK. I agree it must look pretty bad. Just our self centered way of life in self rule.

So, I agree. We are fucked up. But, I don't feel anything about it.

 

[Doer]

i think you're right its not just a yankee problem but maybe its a human problem

we humans are so common-place as a species we are of little value as individuals and on the whole seen as replaceable or expendable by Governments, employers etc
recently 500 people applied for a toilet cleaning job 300 people applied to be a burger flipper at McDonalds

if i were one of the more powerful humans a billionaire perhaps , i wounder if i would look down from my penthouse suite on the McDonalds employees with pity
or weather i would see them as human garbage under achievers who should be eradicated,
but who will clean my toilet must keep some slave class folk around to do the dirty jobs i guess

i did hear once, not all psychopaths kill people
some psychopaths more commonly known as corporate psychopaths do not tend to murder folk
but they do have contempt for all other humans and no ability to empathise a narcissistic personality disorder similar to your regular murdering serial killer psychopath
it has also been said that many of the so called leaders of the world are corporate psychopaths lol

So, true. The world sorts for the current need.

I believe the word you want here is sociopath. It is a sick form of manipulative empathy.

 

[Highlowazupkush]

If right now was a time of kings, and If I was the king of the world, my priority would be to make life fair for everybody, and fuck the details.

Sure, details are important, but the point is that life needs to be good, NOT JUST for me the King.

Its as simple as that, and me being the genius that I am, I know many people will argue that it ISN'T as simple as that... But really it is.
I am inclined to believe that the details after this depend mainly on opinions, points of view, and stuff like that -(there are many things).
For example some (actually many) people are greedy, and from my own personal experience of greed, a person who feels greed, simply wants more, Just because, and it doesn't matter what the reason is.

And other than that, life is complicated, so if any of you guys don't agree with what I just wrote then tell your king whats on your mind so we can make life fair for all

see, told you, that was easy.

 

[Padawanbater2]

If right now was a time of kings, and If I was the king of the world, my priority would be to make life fair for everybody, and fuck the details.

Sure, details are important, but the point is that life needs to be good, NOT JUST for me the King.

Its as simple as that, and me being the genius that I am, I know many people will argue that it ISN'T as simple as that... But really it is.
I am inclined to believe that the details after this depend mainly on opinions, points of view, and stuff like that -(there are many things).
For example some (actually many) people are greedy, and from my own personal experience of greed, a person who feels greed, simply wants more, Just because, and it doesn't matter what the reason is.

And other than that, life is complicated, so if any of you guys don't agree with what I just wrote then tell your king whats on your mind so we can make life fair for all

see, told you, that was easy.

The ironic thing about that is that you can't get into that position with that mindset, kings become kings because they're ruthless, focused and ambitious, not including all the heirs to a throne

 

[skunkd0c]

So, true. The world sorts for the current need.

I believe the word you want here is sociopath. It is a sick form of manipulative empathy.

this guys book/ ebook can be downloaded as a pdf its quite funny, he interviewed a number of corporate psychopaths and regular pyschos

[video=youtube;xYemnKEKx0c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYemnKEKx0c[/video]

sociopaths, are similar, i think regular folk would be labeled sociopaths,
maybe like how wealthy people are called eccentric rather than weird
the main difference is income bracket, these corporate psychos are the guys that put 1000s of people out of work, go in close companies down
and not lose a wink of sleep. they see people as nothing more than fleas in their flea circus

 

[Someacdude]

Yeah, you're extremely stupid.

Know how many Islamic people in our Dail (Lower and Upper House)?

Zero.

We're 89% Catholic and the rest is mostly Protestants.

Islam is incompatible with the Irish way of life.

So again, yes, you are a fucking retard.

One thing about being close to 50 is i know im stupid, you just think you know what is going on. I re read my op and actually wrote europe , that i still stand by, what percentage of europe has to be infected before i can use the term, please get back to me.
Now GO BACK and please point out to me where i mentioned Ireland , then pick your keyboard up and bash yourself in the face, then go get glasses and apology would be nice


While your at it read this, http://standpointmag.co.uk/features-may-10-dreaming-of-an-islamist-ireland-ruth-dudley-edwards-ireland-islam

 

[Highlowazupkush]

The ironic thing about that is that you can't get into that position with that mindset, kings become kings because they're ruthless, focused and ambitious, not including all the heirs to a throne

I don't know very much about the worlds History (maybe not compared to other people at least), but yes, I guess that generally speaking, Kings were Kings possibly because they ruthlessly took that position.

So let me try explain a vision of me being king, another way.
uuum? basically I am the king and as King, I cannot be ruthless, because obviously that would be totally fucked up. The king has to be the one to set the example for everyone, knowing full well that not everyone is perfect, including the king.

Anyway, life and people are complicated as fuck.

 

[2xcharming]

King...bullshit. This is America baby! We bow to no king. That's the beautiful part of Americans being "so fucked up" and we like that way.

 

[Highlowazupkush]

they see people as nothing more than fleas in their flea circus

Terrible.......... Terrible how they take advantage of........ Little children who don't even know that people on opposite sides of the world point in opposite directions when they point to the sky

 

[UncleBuck]

King...bullshit. This is America baby! We bow to no king. That's the beautiful part of Americans being "so fucked up" and we like that way.

damn right about that!

 

[Doer]

I don't know very much about the worlds History (maybe not compared to other people at least), but yes, I guess that generally speaking, Kings were Kings possibly because they ruthlessly took that position.

So let me try explain a vision of me being king, another way.
uuum? basically I am the king and as King, I cannot be ruthless, because obviously that would be totally fucked up. The king has to be the one to set the example for everyone, knowing full well that not everyone is perfect, including the king.

Anyway, life and people are complicated as fuck.

Every King says that. Then reality occurs. Power corrupts, baby king. Absolutely.

 

[Doer]

King...bullshit. This is America baby! We bow to no king. That's the beautiful part of Americans being "so fucked up" and we like that way.

We like it like dat!

Come on (come on let me show you where it's at)
Ah, come on (come on let me show you where it's at)
Whoa!, come on (come on let me show you where it's at)
I said the name of the place is I like it like that

The last time I was down they lost my shoes
They had some cat shoutin' the blues
The people was yellin' and shoutin' for more
And all they kept sayin' was-a "go man, go"

 

[Highlowazupkush]

Every King says that. Then reality occurs. Power corrupts, baby king. Absolutely.

How do you know that? Have you ever even seen a real king? How the fuck do you know huh?

You don't!