How do you judge if something artistic is good or bad?

PeyoteReligion

PeyoteReligion

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Psychedelic Goo said:
I never said anything about the level of difficulty determining the quality or not just that art programs on computers come with short cuts, putting it in a limbo state for my personal taste. Random example, you start with a blank white canvas but want it red. On the computer: choose the colour and click, your canvas is now red. Where is my magic one touch paintbrush or pen in reality? So it's not so much as being easier, than it is in skipping entire steps and/or getting rid of entire steps 100 percent each time, no Russian roulette in the digital space. Did you create all those pixels to turn red, well ya, with that one click that was programmed to fill in the rest of the pixels, you did. You didn't turn each pixel red individually, the AI program aided you. Digital art is confined to the pixel, no matter how fine the detail is. Even if you click each pixel to be red, you're still confined to the pixel, which is not physically natural, it's man made. Now for the digital artists who only use the 'classic' tools, like pencil and eraser and no 'short cuts', what happens if you want to make a dot on the screen that is half a pixel? The computer restricts the user and helps the user, always. So it's not so much the difficulty but the computer restrictions I'm talking about. And I agree it is in how you manipulate the tools, but when the tools restrict and sometimes define you, you know that's when you have to pluck your eyes from the monitor and throw it off a 44 storey building. This is just my philosophy towards digital art. If nothing is clear, just say.
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Would you give an artist a hard time for using an eraser? Or a pencil for that matter, both of those are man made. Every artist is limited to his tools, not just digital ones. A painter is limited to a canvas and his paint brushes and the type of paint selected, and maybe a few other tools to helps manipulate your media. If you invalidate digital art because of so called "short cuts", then you need to do it to all art forms that use short cuts...which is pretty much all of them. Nobody is intentionally making it hard on themselves to create art, everyone looks to create short cuts. Your argument is a logical phallacy IMO.

You've created a problem with digital media that applies to all medias. You may not like it's style, but just as much or more skill goes into the many steps of creating GOOD digital art as any other form.

The long and the short is that EVERY artist is restricted and defined by their tools, not just the digital artist.
 
Psychedelic Goo

Psychedelic Goo

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But it's when the short cuts start doing the actual work is what it boils down to for me. The computer has the ability to do the work for you, giving you limitless freedom to not fuck up. There is no magic button in reality.
 
dannyboy602

dannyboy602

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I like classical art. Like Vermeer. Rembrandt. Rubens. I never got into modern art. I don't get it. I don't even like Picasso. But art is subjective. I guess whatever moves you is whats important. I do like the German artist Klimpt. That's about as modern as my tastes get.
 
burgertime2010

burgertime2010

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I realize that this thread is pretty dusty but it raises an excellent question, one that I have spent years thinking about and it seems appropriate to explain my conclusions here. Something is good or bad artistically based on the taste of the viewer.....which can and is often awful.....nonetheless this is who holds that truth. Art, to me, is the craftsman engineering aesthetics in pursuit of mastery. It is an infinite endpoint and incestuous by nature it has become a paradigm of "newness." Art is not defined by bad ideas made public visually....Art is not technique alone....Art is not just pretty.....Art is the complement the artist has earned. I look at art and want arousal....to be curious and amazed and left with a monologue, an experiential and substantive gift perhaps. I look to an artists' methods, his/her use of the medium, the design of tools, the inventions, and technical and spiritual mastery that make true art. The digital studio is no different in all fairness. I don't see the same humanity and grit.....but it can be art.
 
Sofia Dali

Sofia Dali

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its so subjective. i think its really personal taste. there are a lot of different styles and techniques and they get appreciated by many.When i make my art i try to not let what others want to see or what they would like influence it. I just free flow and where ever it takes me is where i go. If people like it that's cool, if not i don't think i failed, its just me expressing myself because i like to . I like to draw mostly and my works really not that great but i do it all the time for spiritual release. i went to art school and it discusted me.. like how i saw the art world try to tell artists what sells and what they want them to do. Its a form of contrived brain washing i never wanted any part of. Just hanging my art at a gallery discusts me.. people judging it.. :oh its good, oh it sucks.. its not why i make it. Anyway its personal taste in what makes it good or bad.. and then theres the art critics who brain wash the public into thinking what is good and bad art. You gotta just go with your vibe with what you like. and its ok...
 
Commander Strax

Commander Strax

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Shitting on a paper and yelling "I am an artist!" just doesn't cut it.

I know a lot about art but I don't know what I like.... Wait switch that.
 
Psychedelic Goo

Psychedelic Goo

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Now that I've used the digital medium a little bit more extensively, I still have to stand my position that the 'short-cuts' of digital art gives the user limitless freedom to not ever fuck up (good/bad, that's for you to decide). There is no permanency in the digital space, and for me it's such a depressing medium to work in. It is convenient and looks eerily perfect though.
 
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