Haze Harvest - a few pounds of 1200w vertical weed

Prawn Connery

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that's a beautiful nug =).

Personally, I trim more than that. The reason has absolutely nothing to do with quality and imo, tightly manicuring buds probably does more harm than good. The reason I do it anyways is that I am somewhat dependent on other mmj patients donating to pay the cost of my grow (free weed is nice). Also the market here is extremely competitive. Primarily catering to a bunch of pretentious little posers who are mostly concerned about being able to impress their friends with how good their buds look.

If it was not for the need to provide better (arguable) appearances as opposed to quality, I would never waste my time with something like that. Unfortunately, arguing with people is counter productive to the goal of using their money to pay for my grow. :wink:
I know it's all personal preference, and I hope I didn't sound too rude, but manicuring a bud to within an inch of its life doesn't make it any more potent and, IMO, is a waste of good smoke. Those little sugar-coated fan leaves that stick out from the buds are just as potent as the buds themselves.

Maybe if I was more dedicated I'd turn all my trim into hash or canna-butter, but that's also time-consuming and I have a regular job and normal life, so can't devote myself to my plants 24/7. All my trim gets mulched. I always end up with plenty of bud to smoke, anyway.


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Oh, question about your bucket system. Is that an flood and drain system modified to dtw, or did you build the system yourself?
thnx
It's basically a recirculating system that I have modified for drain to waste. Instead of the runoff draining back into the reservoir, it runs outside to my garden. I wouldn't recommend recirculating coco. It can be done, but there is a risk that bits of coco can clog your pump and lines if you don't strain it properly. Run to waste doesn't waste that much nutrient because you can run a weaker solution with just enough runoff each watering to flush excess salts.


Looks great bud. I have a question about bud density. I just harvested my first big run of blue dream vert. An my colas aren't nearly as dense when I run a horizontal garden although it looks like alot more on the yield ill probably get the same numbers. I did add in two more additives but I don't think those would cause my buds to thin out?
A number of things can affect bud density, but genetics aside, it is mostly down to heat and light.

If your light source isn't strong enough, or your plants are too far away from the light source, you will obviously end up with airy bud.

However, if your room is too hot, your plants will naturally start to thin out and the buds they produce will be airy, like cotton candy. Hotter conditions tend to promote more stretch.

Overly humid conditions and lack of ventilation can also affect bud density in my experience, so it is important to have a lot of air going in and out of your grow room. If there is not enough air circulation, the plant doesn't get enough CO2 during the lights-on period to photosynthesise, and not enough O2 to respire at night. Bud quality can be severely affected.

Finally, if you treat vertical growing the same as any other form of growing - that is, making an effort to scrog or get all your branches as close to the light source as you can without burning - you will see very good results. The trick is to get the branches close enough to the lights to produce nice, thick buds, but not too close where they start to stretch (air out) and bleach.

You'll get the hang of it after a couple of vertical grows.
 

Prawn Connery

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You can't say you haven't been warned.. Don't fuck with the crustacean.

lol
LOL! Yeah, prawns eat shit, so we don't mind a bit of of it being thrown around! I guess we're all grown-ups here, so we should all be able to handle a bit of criticism . . .

It's just that I fucking hate trimming - as you know - so the less time I spend cutting down every single leaf, the happier I am at harvest.
 

Prawn Connery

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It's formed into a tube with the floor fan at the bottom and the lights hanging down the middle. The fencing wire simply attaches to itself and stands on its own like an empty barrel.
 

InsaneMJ

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Well when I finished I had very large colas, I'm wondering if I dried them too fast an that's what caused it? Because my other buddy basically told me the same exact thing, and my blue dream is a solid producer I've hit 2.5 a light on a horizontal garden. As for ventalation, I don't vent at all because its a fully sealed room, with the carbon filter on the inside and I have a co2 tank that runs during light hours.

Im wondering if air circulation may be the problem? I only have 2 fans under the lights and the blower in the corner next to the dehumidifier an ac unit. Maybe some fans above? Idk I'm close to giving up on it thou, I don't have too much extra time to be wasting money and harvests like that.
 

1itsme

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not rude at all, was pointing out to previous poster that imo most trimming is for sales purposes at the expense of quality- the less handling the better. I'm on my second vert run - 600w dtw coco using home made drain system, always curious about how other ppl are doing things. I automated watering for the fist time this run and had a few issues lol. overwatering, timer malfunction drain issues... my plants are looking alot rougher than normal but think will still out preform any horizontal run I've done so far. we'll see tho :bigjoint:. heres a pic- odessy and unknown og clone both lookin kinda sad:oHPIM0099.jpg date is wrong on camera
 

Prawn Connery

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That's doing just fine. You'll get it more dialled in with each grow, but you can already see the potential with this one. I'd have the lamp a fraction lower (if it's not the angle of the photo) and the rear plants maybe a little bit closer to the light, but once you get your watering schedules sorted, your results will only get better. I water 4 times for a minute each time during 12/12. I don't water at all during lights-off.
 

Prawn Connery

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I don't vent at all because its a fully sealed room, with the carbon filter on the inside and I have a co2 tank that runs during light hours.
Does any fresh air get in at all? If not, do you monitor your O2 and/or CO2 levels? CO2 can raise humidity.
 

InsaneMJ

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I appreciate you throwing out advice, I don't know anyone who's growing vert personally so it's hard to fully grasp the concept.
Anywho I do not have any fresh air circulating, I have a fuzzy logic that peaks at 1600 ppm co2 and dehumidify that kicks on when the humidity levels reach 45%
 

Lemon king

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not rude at all, was pointing out to previous poster that imo most trimming is for sales purposes at the expense of quality- the less handling the better. I'm on my second vert run - 600w dtw coco using home made drain system, always curious about how other ppl are doing things. I automated watering for the fist time this run and had a few issues lol. overwatering, timer malfunction drain issues... my plants are looking alot rougher than normal but think will still out preform any horizontal run I've done so far. we'll see tho :bigjoint:. heres a pic- odessy and unknown og clone both lookin kinda sad:oView attachment 2729249 date is wrong on camera

still all im saying is you wouldnt see a bud on the cover of high times like that IMO. yes the sugar LEAFS are all good but were growing for BUD not leafs! (IMO) its like leaving an inch of fat on a steak, yes its the most juicy, tasty part, but you wouldn't want it looking you in the face. IMO.

and after all that work n the couple blisters you get from manicuring such a vast amount. would you like perfection looking back at you after all your hard work??!

lol

peace out shrimps, n connery as ive said before noice grow!
 

hyroot

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Well when I finished I had very large colas, I'm wondering if I dried them too fast an that's what caused it? Because my other buddy basically told me the same exact thing, and my blue dream is a solid producer I've hit 2.5 a light on a horizontal garden. As for ventalation, I don't vent at all because its a fully sealed room, with the carbon filter on the inside and I have a co2 tank that runs during light hours.

Im wondering if air circulation may be the problem? I only have 2 fans under the lights and the blower in the corner next to the dehumidifier an ac unit. Maybe some fans above? Idk I'm close to giving up on it thou, I don't have too much extra time to be wasting money and harvests like that.
How are your temps. Too much heat will cause airy buds. Prawn likes it hot in his grow.
 

InsaneMJ

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Temps don't go over 77 I have a 15100 btu ac unit for 2x1000 watts, an over kill. The buds 4 days old an I'm smokin on it now, gets better every day from this point on cause its curing. I'm thinking I dried it too fast. Or the light wasnt strong enough for them. Even thou I had buds fatter then beer bottles an falling over on their own weight.
 

dwight smokum

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It's formed into a tube with the floor fan at the bottom and the lights hanging down the middle. The fencing wire simply attaches to itself and stands on its own like an empty barrel.
thanks prawn. one more question. what is the circumference of yer fan?..i seen where you said plants are within 8 inches of yer light so i guess it'd be 8 inches,right?...my fan is 12" and i'm thinkin about gettin a smaller one when i get the fencing to put around it... appreciate you sharing yer experience..
 

Prawn Connery

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still all im saying is you wouldnt see a bud on the cover of high times like that IMO. yes the sugar LEAFS are all good but were growing for BUD not leafs! (IMO) its like leaving an inch of fat on a steak, yes its the most juicy, tasty part, but you wouldn't want it looking you in the face. IMO.

and after all that work n the couple blisters you get from manicuring such a vast amount. would you like perfection looking back at you after all your hard work??!

lol

peace out shrimps, n connery as ive said before noice grow!
LOL. Fair enough. I guess I just like a bit of marbelling in my steak.

This is nevils new haze hybrid Talk about haze taste and high look out!!! View attachment 2729884
Hi mate, yes I was eyeing off Nev's latest offerings just the other day. Where did you get your the seeds? (Assuming that one is from seed.) That looks like the NH x Mullimbimby Madness. Should be nice, maybe even have a bit of the captiss about her . . .
 

Prawn Connery

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I appreciate you throwing out advice, I don't know anyone who's growing vert personally so it's hard to fully grasp the concept.
Anywho I do not have any fresh air circulating, I have a fuzzy logic that peaks at 1600 ppm co2 and dehumidify that kicks on when the humidity levels reach 45%
Plants obviously need oxygen as well - do you also monitor O2 levels? 1600ppm seems pretty high, but I don't use CO2 so not sure how that compares.


How are your temps. Too much heat will cause airy buds. Prawn likes it hot in his grow.
LOL! I think your idea of "hot" and my idea might differ a little. When it regularly gets to 40C+ (sometimes days and weeks over 100F) during summer, you tend to think of 20-30C as "mild". But that's where my plants like to be.
 

drekoushranada

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Hey Prawn would you advise using Coco or DWC/UnderCurrent buckets? I'm not that solid at growing in Coco. I can just try The 4 bucket UC system along with the four 3.4gal air pots I have. I will try to keep the coco whitefly and Gnat free this go round. Are 8 plants around a 1000watter in a cooltube to much? I miss growing vertical for sure.
 

InsaneMJ

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The clost plants were about 4-5 inches away from the 1000 w bulb. So what I'm thinking is that I didn't ventilate the back enough and the plants were alittle too close. And caused it to thin out. I do not monitor the o2 levels because I figure when the co2 levels drop at night the o2 builds back up. Since there isn't any opening or tanks filling the room. Only thing I suppose it is, is oxygen because co2 doesn't create it self, and I have the fuzzy logic only running during the 12 hr period.

At first I was thinking it may be an additive, because I added 3 new additives when I changed to the stadium also.
 

Prawn Connery

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O2 levels do not build back up at night - quite the opposite - because that's when plants respirate and use oxygen instead of carbon dioxide (which is only photosynthesised during the day). If you don't have enough O2 in your room at night for your plants to breath, they will suffer. People forget plants need oxygen at night as much as they need carbon dioxide during the day. If your room is sealed, there's no way for any CO2/O2 imbalance to rectify itself by exposure to the atmosphere. That may part of your problem - I've seen crops suffer huge falls in yield when ventilation systems haven't been working properly.


Hey Prawn would you advise using Coco or DWC/UnderCurrent buckets? I'm not that solid at growing in Coco. I can just try The 4 bucket UC system along with the four 3.4gal air pots I have. I will try to keep the coco whitefly and Gnat free this go round. Are 8 plants around a 1000watter in a cooltube to much? I miss growing vertical for sure.
Sure you can use DWC - that's how I started growing vertically (5-gallon DWC buckets) before moving to coco. You can also get 8 plants around a 1000w bulb without too much trouble.
 
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