Beneficial Bacteria and Microbes. I can't believe there is not one thread about this!

Situation420

Situation420

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I just typed beneficial bacteria into the search bar and there were no threads on here as well as any on bacteria in the root zones. Why???

This is my first day on here and have been enjoying it so much. Everyone is so passionate about what they do on here it's great. On to my inquiry.

I have noticed that by using beneficial bacteria properly I have not had any issues with my res or root zones to this date. ( 2 years now) My roots are now always bright white and thick. The only thing I did was apply they beneficial bacteria and enzymes and sugars and starches directly to the roots when I add them. It was as though I was given the golden ticket! Almost all the posts on here about root rot, slime mold, nutrient deficiencies... and so on can be cured by just using beneficial bacteria. After all, farmers have been using them as fungicides for the past 50 years. I looked into it a little but was wondering if there is anyone on this site that is very knowledgable on this because I believe this is the key to an amazing harvest. I average about 2000 grams and consume about 1600 watts of lighting power each harvest no joke.

Anyone familiar with the biology of how it all works as well as what species are specific to marijuana besides reading the label off a product?! Haha

Well anyway I'm hoping this opens up an insightful can of discussion into the use of beneficial microbes and plant growth.

Below is my first post on this site in response to Heisenberg saying that beneficials are an unnecessary step and is my thoughts on this I didn't want to let it go to waste.

  • Beneficials are definitely a necessary step.

    This is my first post but after reading how much insight you have into gardening I had to comment when i saw that.
    Even if you grow your plants in a sterile solution using 0.5 percent H2O2 that prevents all microbial growth they will not grow as big as plants that have been inoculated with beneficial bacteria. The correct beneficial bacteria blend will prevent almost every issue in a DWC reservoir outside of ph and temperature issues if they are applied properly. The bacteria prevents disease, breaks down waste, provides roots with more accessible essential micronutrients that are typically overlooked when talking about solutions, help stabilize the ph, and even help oxygenate the roots. Honestly knowing the correct blend of beneficial bacteria with proper enzyme and sugars/starches is what what separates good from great regardless of the whatever companies products are used.​




 
Situation420

Situation420

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LOL yea I just searched my own thread and it didn't come up. Good to know about the organics section thanks prosperion and medical. Anyone have any interesting articles on the subject?
 
Situation420

Situation420

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Nice I saw that article earlier but didn't read it in detail. He seems to be doing what Im doing but I also add enzymes to the mix to help break down sugars and starches into usable nutrition for the bacteria. I was wondering if there was a way to breed your bacteria effectively since they multiply themselves rapidly once "awakened". Only thing that concerned me was how to know exactly what you are adding to your plants when you use a compost that contains 35,000 different bacteria and fungi In that ancient forest compost. Seems like there is the potential for disaster there.
 
Malevolence

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The point is there is such a huge diversity of species that no one can dominate, which prevents slime and shit. Instead of enzymes, he brews the tea for 48 hours and uses molasses during the brewing process to feed them. Adding enzymes to a system already contaminated or prone to getting slimed is risky and often triggers a bloom because the enzymes feed the bad shit as well; this is why the molasses is brewed with the tea.

Heisenberg's thread says the bennies don't do well on their own floating around in water; they are native to soil and that's where they excel. In DWC, we pretty much use bennies to prevent slime. To do this we use synthetic nutes and deprive the res of any organics that can be food for the slime. This also starves off the bennies, so they are replaced every few days. In a healthy system you can probably safely add some amount of organics and be fine, as long as the population of microbes don't start becoming unbalanced. Once the roots get big they will provide some housing. You can try providing housing in the res like lava rocks or those koi pond mats. They supposedly do better in water a little warmer, like 74*... the DO at that level is fine to maximize plant growth as well as support the thousands of bennies.

These days I just run 25ml of Aquashield in each bucket because it keeps the slime away and I'm lazy. Also tea stains my roots brown which I'm not a big fan of.
 
Situation420

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Malevolence said:
The point is there is such a huge diversity of species that no one can dominate, which prevents slime and shit. Instead of enzymes, he brews the tea for 48 hours and uses molasses during the brewing process to feed them. Adding enzymes to a system already contaminated or prone to getting slimed is risky and often triggers a bloom because the enzymes feed the bad shit as well; this is why the molasses is brewed with the tea.
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Malevolence said:
Heisenberg's thread says the bennies don't do well on their own floating around in water; they are native to soil and that's where they excel. In DWC, we pretty much use bennies to prevent slime. To do this we use synthetic nutes and deprive the res of any organics that can be food for the slime. This also starves off the bennies, so they are replaced every few days. In a healthy system you can probably safely add some amount of organics and be fine, as long as the population of microbes don't start becoming unbalanced.
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I found that if you learn how to feed the bacteria and use the enzymes properly then you only need to add them when they are seedlings and during the first 2 weeks of veg. I also add them the first week of flowering just for peace of mind. If you know how to keep your root zone environment correct in hydroponics, a number of anaerobic bacteria and fungi species cannot proliferate and only the good bacteria thrive. Beneficial bacteria, cool water temps, oxygenated water, sugars, starches, enzymes, growth hormones, silica, vitamins, and no light leaks is the perfect recipe for the best root system you will ever see. I don't know why so many people ignore the fact that the larger your roots, the bigger and better your buds are going to be. If you just focus on the roots then the big buds will come for sure.

EDIT: Also, the trick is not to add the beneficials to your nutrient solution before you water your plants, when you are watering, firgure out how much water you are using per plant and then individually directly add it to the base of the stem and your water. I make a slurry of Bennies, and other stuff. If you add them directly to your note solution they only have a lifespan of about 15-30 min before most of them die out. Applying them the same time you add your nutes gives them a chance to establish a colony before they die and keep living on.
 
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twistedwords

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Just use Root Zone from Dutch Master, it is all you really need. I am sure there are other brands that do the same, but this is what I use with no problems. Takes the fear of waking up one day and you find root rot.
 
sonofdust

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Situation420 said:
I was wondering if there was a way to breed your bacteria effectively since they multiply themselves rapidly once "awakened".
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Here's a pic of the my Bio Filter / Bio Reactor that I use to breed bacteria. I have it hooked up to my UCRDWC units, it runs constantly.I've have completed two grows with zero problems so far. Hope this helps.
 

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sonofdust

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riu wont let me edit my last post but I wanted to credit the man who originally designed it, Scott and stolen by me.
 
Situation420

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sonofdust said:
Here's a pic of the my Bio Filter / Bio Reactor that I use to breed bacteria. I have it hooked up to my UCRDWC units, it runs constantly.I've have completed two grows with zero problems so far. Hope this helps.
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Bro this is brilliant, If you can add a separate tank to your recirculating system that is constantly making new bacteria then all you have to do is make the bacteria once and constantly feed them into your system with a drip emitter and just keep that incubating pot warm with a heating mat to keep the bacteria multiplying nonstop. All you would have to do is figure out how to calibrate it correctly. Can you explain how yours works more please? This is the first thing on this site that actually blew my mind lol.
 
Dgringo69

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Good to have you on board! It's awesome to have someone around that shares the same passion and faith in benificials. Happy growing:)
 
sonofdust

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It works like a charm. I adopted Scotts idea with the hope of putting an end to my root problems and so far so good.( only two runs )I use AN ph Perfect nute's which are compatible with the beneficial bacteria, so I really cant speak for any other nutes.Scott designed his Bio Filter / Bio Reactor to run with his Aquaponics system, I just Incorporated it into my UCRWDC units. I cant see spending those big bucks on the Bennie's grow after grow when you can bread your own and cut your cost, You'll still have to buy the first round.
 
sonofdust

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Situation420 said:
Bro this is brilliant, If you can add a separate tank to your recirculating system that is constantly making new bacteria then all you have to do is make the bacteria once and constantly feed them into your system with a drip emitter and just keep that incubating pot warm with a heating mat to keep the bacteria multiplying nonstop. All you would have to do is figure out how to calibrate it correctly. Can you explain how yours works more please? This is the first thing on this site that actually blew my mind lol.
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If I can get it passed the war department I'll post it up.
 
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