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whodatnation · Jun 20, 2013

ShazMo09 said:
Hey 6'ers, how are we all...
Sorry to bring my bullshit here but im not getting too much help in the 'Marijuana Plant Problems' section...

My situation was, I have my 3 ladies under 600 MH, growing in peat/perlite and a touch of lime...Had to flush and since I overfed and got a touch of nute burn then the girls have basically stopped growing and been droopy as for over a week now since the flush. I let them dry out, no change, watered, same thing, dry out, no change and then I fed yesterday.

Showed a bit of purple on new growth and some stems and veins too so I changed lighting to 24 hours 2 days ago as im in winter and it gets so cold in my garage so I was thinking maybe a Phosphorus lockout due to the cold.

Anyways, today I came out and FUCK ME...this shit appeared out of nowhere...
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Can someone PLEASE throw in their 2 cents and help me find a solution...Its driving me crazy! You can drop by my thread if you like but this is frying me...Issue after issue..

https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/672521-ready-throw-towel.html

Just to be clear that last post was not about you.

They def look sad. Id say fix the temps and go from there.
whats in your medium? what nutes? been adjusting ph? any additional info will help.

whodatnation · Jun 20, 2013

DoobieBrother said:
I made the mistake of searching through youtube.
Glad one of us knows how to keep it simple.

*edit: my search through youtube used the same terms, but the UrbanGrower vid wasn't on the first page for me.

Really? its literally the fourth vid for me... "grafting cannabis" through youtubes search.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=grafting+cannabis&oq=grafting+cannabis&gs_l=youtube.3...582.4044.0.4203.17.10.0.0.0.0.327.327.3-1.1.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.-FAZ4GlJ8E4

Javadog · Jun 20, 2013

supchaka said:
One little root bound plant off in the corner to stress itself to hermie and maybe pollinate your other "real" plants. I speak from experience and is enough reason to not try it again for me.

Now, there is substance to that response.

Interesting. Thanks Chaka

JD

DST · Jun 20, 2013

I would be surprised if it was a lack of nutrients (n-p-k), probably more like a lack of micro elements. The micro elements are essential for your plant taking up n-p-k. I usually flush with a micro wash which contains, mg,ca, zn, fe, mo, etc. Most Nitrogen nutriets (i.e stand alone e.g 27-0-0) have the trace elements that you will be looking for.

DoobieBrother · Jun 20, 2013

whodatnation said:
Really? its literally the fourth vid for me... "grafting cannabis" through youtubes search.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=grafting+cannabis&oq=grafting+cannabis&gs_l=youtube.3...582.4044.0.4203.17.10.0.0.0.0.327.327.3-1.1.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.-FAZ4GlJ8E4

No, I re-searched and it was also the fourth one down.
Just brainfarted past it.
I don't know why I keep forgetting The UrbanGrower's vids.
Jealousy, probably.
;-)

ShazMo09 · Jun 20, 2013

whodatnation said:
Just to be clear that last post was not about you.

They def look sad. Id say fix the temps and go from there.
whats in your medium? what nutes? been adjusting ph? any additional info will help.

Peat moss/perlite with a touch of lime...
GH Flora Series...
I have been adjusting Ph to 5.8 before feeding...

Temps were real bad before so put it on the 24 hour cycle now they dont drop below 60-65...Thats why I thought it migh have been a Phosphorus thing because of how cold it was getting in there, hence the slow growth and purple new growth. Then all of a sudden this shit pops up on the leaves. Someone mentioned cal/mg def but from what I have researched it doesnt really look like it to me. But im a newbie so I dont know.

Just wanna hit this nail on the head before it gets worse.

DST said:
I would be surprised if it was a lack of nutrients (n-p-k), probably more like a lack of micro elements. The micro elements are essential for your plant taking up n-p-k. I usually flush with a micro wash which contains, mg,ca, zn, fe, mo, etc. Most Nitrogen nutriets (i.e stand alone e.g 27-0-0) have the trace elements that you will be looking for.

All I have got to work with atm is GH Flora series, micro, gro and bloom...

whodatnation · Jun 20, 2013

I use this (azomite,,, "minerals A-Z") along with kelp meal (wich has tons of elements and shit <<< technical botany lingo.

"Its got what plants crave"

MINERAL ANALYSIS

Below is an independent chemical analysis of AZOMITE®. This analysis is an average of many different “core samples” taken in various spots around the 600-hectare face of the mine in Utah.
Notice that AZOMITE® contains every mineral which science textbooks list as beneficial, in addition to a full range of trace elements whose biochemical function science may not fully comprehend.

Typical Mineral Analysis
Alumina (Al2O3)*	11.43%	Oxygen (O)	.73%
Barium oxide (BaO)	.09%	Phosphorous pentoxide (P5O5)	.15%
Calcium oxide (CaO)	3.67%	Potassium oxide (K2O)	5.23%
Carbon (C)	.61%	Silica oxide (SiO2)	65.85%
Chlorine (Cl)	.22%	Sodium oxide (NaO2)	2.07%
Ferric oxide (Fe2O3)	1.37%	Strontium oxide (SrO)	.03%
Hydrogen (H)	.38%	Sulfur trioxide (SO3)	.21%
Magnesium oxide (MgO)	.78%	Titania (TiO2)	.20%
Manganese oxide (Mn2O3)	.02%
Nitrogen (N)	.15%
Trace Elements (below) 0.38% LOI @750[SUP]o [/SUP]C** 6.43% The alumina is not biologically available. It is bound to the silica and is an aluminosilicate. Sand, clay, most rock deposits, and soil deposits are primarily aluminosilicates. *LOI - "Loss on Incineration" during the trace analysis by Spark Source Mass Spectrometry. Underlined = essential for most living species of plants and animals

Element Analysis

PPM

Antimony (Sb)

0.4

Hafnium (Hf)

21

Scandium (Sc)

2.7

Arsenic (As)

1.1

Holmium (Ho)

0.6

Selenium (Se)

0.7

Beryllium (Be)

3.3

Indium (In)

.010

Silver (Ag)

.005

Bismuth (Bi)

3.5

Iodine (I)

2.2

Strontium(Sr)

380

Boron (B)

29

Lanthanum (La)

220

Sulfur (S)

240

Bromine (Br)

6.6

Lead (Pb)

6.2

Tantalum (Ta)

2.7

Cadmium (Cd)

0.3

Lithium (Li)

859

Tellurium (Te)

.022

Cerium (Ce)

230

Lutetium (Lu)

0.5

Terbium (Tb)

0.8

Cesium (Cs)

21.7

Mercury (Hg)

0.01

Thallium (Ti)

5.9

Chromium (Cr)

6.1

Molybdenum (Mo)

12.6

Thorium (Th)

180

Cobalt (Co)

22.3

Neodymium (Nd)

5.1

Thulium (Tm)

0.6

Copper (Cu)

12

Nickel (Ni)

2.6

Tin (S)

2.9

Dysprosium (Dy)

2.7

Niobium (Nb)

40

Tungsten (W)

26

Eribium (Er)

1.7

Palladium (Pd)

.008

Uranium (U)

4

Europium (Eu)

3.7

Praseodymium (Pr)

27

Vanadium (V)

7.8

Fluorine (F)

900

Rhenium (Re)

.011

Ytterbium (Yb)

1.4

Gadolinium (Gd)

3.7

Rhodium (Rh)

.002

Yttrium (Y)

23

Gallium (Ga)

15

Rubidium (Rb)

325

Zinc (Zn)

64.3

Germanium (Ge)

6.1

Ruthenium (Ru)

.013

Zirconium (Zr)

62.7

Gold (Au)

.005

Samarium (Sm)

6.2

MINERAL ANALYSIS

Below is an independent chemical analysis of AZOMITE®. This analysis is an average of many different “core samples” taken in various spots around the 600-hectare face of the mine in Utah.
Notice that AZOMITE® contains every mineral which science textbooks list as beneficial, in addition to a full range of trace elements whose biochemical function science may not fully comprehend.

Typical Mineral Analysis
Alumina (Al2O3)*	11.43%	Oxygen (O)	.73%
Barium oxide (BaO)	.09%	Phosphorous pentoxide (P5O5)	.15%
Calcium oxide (CaO)	3.67%	Potassium oxide (K2O)	5.23%
Carbon (C)	.61%	Silica oxide (SiO2)	65.85%
Chlorine (Cl)	.22%	Sodium oxide (NaO2)	2.07%
Ferric oxide (Fe2O3)	1.37%	Strontium oxide (SrO)	.03%
Hydrogen (H)	.38%	Sulfur trioxide (SO3)	.21%
Magnesium oxide (MgO)	.78%	Titania (TiO2)	.20%
Manganese oxide (Mn2O3)	.02%
Nitrogen (N)	.15%
Trace Elements (below) 0.38% LOI @750[SUP]o [/SUP]C** 6.43% The alumina is not biologically available. It is bound to the silica and is an aluminosilicate. Sand, clay, most rock deposits, and soil deposits are primarily aluminosilicates. *LOI - "Loss on Incineration" during the trace analysis by Spark Source Mass Spectrometry. Underlined = essential for most living species of plants and animals

Element Analysis
	PPM		PPM		PPM
Antimony (Sb)	0.4	Hafnium (Hf)	21	Scandium (Sc)	2.7
Arsenic (As)	1.1	Holmium (Ho)	0.6	Selenium (Se)	0.7
Beryllium (Be)	3.3	Indium (In)	.010	Silver (Ag)	.005
Bismuth (Bi)	3.5	Iodine (I)	2.2	Strontium(Sr)	380
Boron (B)	29	Lanthanum (La)	220	Sulfur (S)	240
Bromine (Br)	6.6	Lead (Pb)	6.2	Tantalum (Ta)	2.7
Cadmium (Cd)	0.3	Lithium (Li)	859	Tellurium (Te)	.022
Cerium (Ce)	230	Lutetium (Lu)	0.5	Terbium (Tb)	0.8
Cesium (Cs)	21.7	Mercury (Hg)	0.01	Thallium (Ti)	5.9
Chromium (Cr)	6.1	Molybdenum (Mo)	12.6	Thorium (Th)	180
Cobalt (Co)	22.3	Neodymium (Nd)	5.1	Thulium (Tm)	0.6
Copper (Cu)	12	Nickel (Ni)	2.6	Tin (S)	2.9
Dysprosium (Dy)	2.7	Niobium (Nb)	40	Tungsten (W)	26
Eribium (Er)	1.7	Palladium (Pd)	.008	Uranium (U)	4
Europium (Eu)	3.7	Praseodymium (Pr)	27	Vanadium (V)	7.8
Fluorine (F)	900	Rhenium (Re)	.011	Ytterbium (Yb)	1.4
Gadolinium (Gd)	3.7	Rhodium (Rh)	.002	Yttrium (Y)	23
Gallium (Ga)	15	Rubidium (Rb)	325	Zinc (Zn)	64.3
Germanium (Ge)	6.1	Ruthenium (Ru)	.013	Zirconium (Zr)	62.7
Gold (Au)	.005	Samarium (Sm)	6.2

DST · Jun 20, 2013

And lets keep personal insults to ourselves. This is the info highway and you are not going to prove anything with abusing each other, apart from spoiling this thread. Abusing people (especially fellow smokers) is not the way our community should be run. Someone abuses you, smile to yourself and feel superior in the knowledge you do not need to rise to it. This is not a "I got's to have the last word" scenario, as we all know that will not work on the internet.

And anyway, I get to have the last word, mwahahahahaha............because I'll ask RIU to close the bloody thread and where will that get us all

Now be nice, it's easier than being nasty.

DST · Jun 20, 2013

perhaps give it some micro and hold off on the gro and blooom.......

ShazMo09 said:
Peat moss/perlite with a touch of lime...
GH Flora Series...
I have been adjusting Ph to 5.8 before feeding...

Temps were real bad before so put it on the 24 hour cycle now they dont drop below 60-65...Thats why I thought it migh have been a Phosphorus thing because of how cold it was getting in there, hence the slow growth and purple new growth. Then all of a sudden this shit pops up on the leaves. Someone mentioned cal/mg def but from what I have researched it doesnt really look like it to me. But im a newbie so I dont know.

Just wanna hit this nail on the head before it gets worse.

All I have got to work with atm is GH Flora series, micro, gro and bloom...

jigfresh · Jun 20, 2013

No I get the last word beyotch!

As hornedfrog sig says: I win the internets!!!

whodatnation · Jun 20, 2013

ShazMo09 said:
Peat moss/perlite with a touch of lime...
GH Flora Series...
I have been adjusting Ph to 5.8 before feeding...

Temps were real bad before so put it on the 24 hour cycle now they dont drop below 60-65...Thats why I thought it migh have been a Phosphorus thing because of how cold it was getting in there, hence the slow growth and purple new growth. Then all of a sudden this shit pops up on the leaves. Someone mentioned cal/mg def but from what I have researched it doesnt really look like it to me. But im a newbie so I dont know.

Just wanna hit this nail on the head before it gets worse.

All I have got to work with atm is GH Flora series, micro, gro and bloom...

when testing out my new ac my babies did the same thing practically overnight.... new growth turned pruple,,, I got it pretty darn cold lol. I day add some micro nutes like D suggested, and do whatever else you can environmentally to make them happy. Then if they are still having issues you have a better idea of what to do. More nutes will only make things worse imo but thats just my opinion. my 2 cents, hope you get it figured out!

whodatnation · Jun 20, 2013

DST said:
And lets keep personal insults to ourselves. This is the info highway and you are not going to prove anything with abusing each other, apart from spoiling this thread. Abusing people (especially fellow smokers) is not the way our community should be run. Someone abuses you, smile to yourself and feel superior in the knowledge you do not need to rise to it. This is not a "I got's to have the last word" scenario, as we all know that will not work on the internet.

And anyway, I get to have the last word, mwahahahahaha............because I'll ask RIU to close the bloody thread and where will that get us all Now be nice, it's easier than being nasty.

Dont even say that D! I dont know what I would do without the 600.... Id be one lonely sob thats for sure.

genuity · Jun 20, 2013

whodatnation said:
I would not pop those bullhorn,,, or if you do go ahead and pop extra beans of something else to take its place when it herms out on ya.

btw, I youtubed "grafting cannabis",,, first page

yea,them are not good,anything that puts out herm,is a no go for me....toss them bullhorns..i see the 600 is on FIRE

DoobieBrother · Jun 20, 2013

jigfresh said:
No I get the last word beyotch!

As hornedfrog sig says: I win the internets!!!

Ha, that's what YOU think!
I gots the last woid, and da woid is:

Zyzzva

a South American weevil:

It is a small weevil and, as we all know: it is always better to choose the lesser of two weevils.

DST · Jun 20, 2013

You know when your folks use to say they would send you away to boarding school, or call the police or the yellow van with square wheels to take you away for being bad or crazy (perhaps it was just my Mum that was like that, lol), well that was one of those statements.......just playing with y'all, lol.

whodatnation said:
Dont even say that D! I dont know what I would do without the 600.... Id be one lonely sob thats for sure.

jigfresh · Jun 20, 2013

DoobieBrother said:
Ha, that's what YOU think!
I gots the last woid, and da woid is:

Zyzzva

a South American weevil:

It is a small weevil and, as we all know: it is always better to choose the lesser of two weevils.

And making the joke complete is doobie getting the last word.

DoobieBrother · Jun 20, 2013

If this thread closed, I'd be forced to start watching TV again.
And I would be very sad...
:-(

Javadog · Jun 20, 2013

whodatnation said:
I use this (azomite,,, "minerals A-Z") along with kelp meal (wich has tons of elements and shit <<< technical botany lingo.

"Its got what plants crave"

I got a kick out of that name too.

"The A to Z Of Minerals, Including Trace Elements"

Onward and upward,

JD

curious old fart · Jun 20, 2013

Grafting isn't as easy as it might appear. DST and I have both had un-successful attempts....and I've given up on that project......... and the last word is have another bowl. :peace:

cof

DoobieBrother · Jun 20, 2013

I'll be scouring the web for articles & vids of proper techniques before I even attempt grafting, for sure.
When I was a kid, I used to watch my dad do it every year in the winter when he'd be working on various plants in the basement to get stuff started & ready for planting in the spring, so I think I'd better hit him up for some pointers to increase my odds for success.

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