kpmarine
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Ah, enjoy your circle jerk then.
Pope Francis Admits That A 'Gay Lobby' Influences The Vatican
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SHOTGUN420
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I clearly see where your preference lies with your way of thinking but I don't swing that way buddy. I wish you the best and hope you don't get syphilis. 
NietzscheKeen
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It's been proven that homosexuality is not a choice. You can look at a humans brain (the amygdala) and determine he or her sexual preference. I don't care if a person is gay or bi or pan or whatever. Sexuality is a spectrum anyway. As far as a gay lobby, I think that is fine. The Bible is a horrible book and the policies towards homosexuality need to be changed and Catholicism is the only Christian denomination that can change their rules; the leaders such as the pope are the only ones that can make those changes.
UncleBuck
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i'd probably be an angry little neo-nazi like you if i had to smoke the crap that you do.I clearly see where your preference lies with your way of thinking but I don't swing that way buddy. I wish you the best and hope you don't get syphilis.
i could probably give a retarded child a seed and a pile of my dog's shit and they'd come up with something better than you did!
UncleBuck
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ladies and gentlemen, i now present to you the incontrovertible proof that getting a 3.7 at berkeley does not make you smart.
in fact, it seems quite the opposite.
New Age United
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Does that mean that pedophilia, sadism and psychopathy are also inherintlly a part of a persons brain function, if so does that not leave us with the question of free will, and if a person can not possibly resist their true nature are they actually to blame for being what society would view as evil. Would definately appreciate your honest opinion.
New Age United
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The fact that you give no reason whatsover for your assumption makes your opinion moot, incontrovertible hardly, you have no basis of intellect at all. Sorry but I'm just pointing out the obvious.
UncleBuck
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that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
not only did neo-nazi-nietzsche make his assertion without evidence, his assertion flies in the face of what billions of people, both homo and hetero, assert about their sexuality as well as what science has discovered about the issue so far.
i invite him to post any "evidence" that he has for his idiotic assertion.
New Age United
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"Idiotic" Neo-nazi-nietzsche
Yet he is proclaiming that he has no problem with a persons sexual orientation, please explain your irrational view.
Yet he is proclaiming that he has no problem with a persons sexual orientation, please explain your irrational view.
kpmarine
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I think you misread his post this time or there was some editing after. He said sexual preference isn't a choice.
UncleBuck
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he is spreading lies about homosexuality, i am correcting him and pointing out that he is a lying idiot.
nothing irrational about that.
NietzscheKeen
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Yes. There are many documented cases that prove this. I will give you the one that is the most famous and that I am most familiar with as an example. John (not real name obviously) was a good family man. Never did anything wrong. No history of abuse or anything like that. He was in his late 40's, I believe, when he started becoming attracted to children. He thought this was very odd and new it wasn't normal for him. Anyway, years go by and he is eventually arrested for lewd conduct with a minor or something like that. While in jail, the discover he has a brain tumor. They do surgery to remove it and instantly, when he wakes up... no more sexual attraction to children. A few years go by and he is just like his old self until one day he starts having those desires again. Well, the doctors didn't remove all of the tumor and it eventually grew back. This time when they removed it, they got it all and he hasn't had any more uncharacteristic attractions to children.
The brain is an amazing organ. It controls everything you do and have ever experienced. It is as vast as the universe and just as unfamiliar to us. I personally do NOT believe in free will. Most neuroscientists do not believe in free will. There is a lot of evidence that supports this as well. Do a youtube search for Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris. Both of these guys have some great presentations on the brain and free will.
I do not believe there are evil people. I'm a moral nihilist and an emotivist, but there are things that society deems acceptable. One example I like to give when asked this question is Jeffrey Dahmer. I thought he was just a sick bastard, but when I watched a documentary on him I started to feel bad for him. He started having all these strange desires; homosexuality, to kill, to eat people, etc. He knew they weren't what society deemed normal. He knew it wasn't right to kill people, he knew it wasn't normal to want to eat people. He tried to fight it, but it was a compulsion just like you and I have to eat. He was a victim of his brain. I know he wasn't a bad person because he knew what he was doing was wrong and had a desire to not do them.
If I haven't answered something or explained clearly enough, let me know.
NietzscheKeen
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OMG, what lies? It's documented scientific proof. If you've got nothing to back it up, then shut up, because I can cite dozens and dozens of scientific studies to back up every single claim that I make. If I am unsure of something... I say so. If it is just my opinion... I say so. If I am proven wrong... I correct myself and admit that what I said was inaccurate.
I think you're just trying to derail another conversation.
NietzscheKeen
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New Age United
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No that is great Nietzsche, very honest nothing held back. I agree completely with what you are saying, it is my experience aswell that these people have no control over their thoughts and emotions, it is impulsive, the question in my mind is why, why do these impulses exist, it is a question of reason, what makes a person want to do these things. I do not believe in free will either. Any opinions you may have on why a person may want to do these things would be appreciated. Is it power, control, a sense of superiority, what makes a person want to do evil, why is that drive to cause evil and suffering there?Yes. There are many documented cases that prove this. I will give you the one that is the most famous and that I am most familiar with as an example. John (not real name obviously) was a good family man. Never did anything wrong. No history of abuse or anything like that. He was in his late 40's, I believe, when he started becoming attracted to children. He thought this was very odd and new it wasn't normal for him. Anyway, years go by and he is eventually arrested for lewd conduct with a minor or something like that. While in jail, the discover he has a brain tumor. They do surgery to remove it and instantly, when he wakes up... no more sexual attraction to children. A few years go by and he is just like his old self until one day he starts having those desires again. Well, the doctors didn't remove all of the tumor and it eventually grew back. This time when they removed it, they got it all and he hasn't had any more uncharacteristic attractions to children.
The brain is an amazing organ. It controls everything you do and have ever experienced. It is as vast as the universe and just as unfamiliar to us. I personally do NOT believe in free will. Most neuroscientists do not believe in free will. There is a lot of evidence that supports this as well. Do a youtube search for Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris. Both of these guys have some great presentations on the brain and free will.
I do not believe there are evil people. I'm a moral nihilist and an emotivist, but there are things that society deems acceptable. One example I like to give when asked this question is Jeffrey Dahmer. I thought he was just a sick bastard, but when I watched a documentary on him I started to feel bad for him. He started having all these strange desires; homosexuality, to kill, to eat people, etc. He knew they weren't what society deemed normal. He knew it wasn't right to kill people, he knew it wasn't normal to want to eat people. He tried to fight it, but it was a compulsion just like you and I have to eat. He was a victim of his brain. I know he wasn't a bad person because he knew what he was doing was wrong and had a desire to not do them.
If I haven't answered something or explained clearly enough, let me know.
UncleBuck
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NietzscheKeen
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It's just a malfunction in the brain. There is no reason behind it. We have a compulsion to eat, we can look at it afterwards and say I need to eat so that I can get calories and vitamins and live. Why do people with Parkinson's disease shake? Why do people with Tourette's Syndrome jerk around and yell sometimes? Is there a reason behind these actions?
We can look back at our impulses for sex, food, breathing, fellowship and can see a benefit to them. But just because our brain tells us to do something doesn't mean there is necessarily a reason for it. It's a malfunction. Now their impulses exist for many reasons, I mentioned a tumor. Sometimes things are just wired differently. Nature makes mistakes all the time. When it comes to the brain, the tiniest little change can make a HUGE difference. There is a lot of interesting... and sometimes f'd up brain research that goes on. Scientists can open up your skull, touch a certain part of your brain with an electrode and you might "taste" apples, raise your arm, or even sense someone is next to you. The list goes on and on. Have you ever heard of Broca's Aphasia? It's a very interesting disorder when people literally forget how to talk. Broca's Area affects outgoing language (if I remember correctly) and Wernicke's Area affects incoming and written language. When someone has an injury that affects their Broca's area, they cannot use language at all, but if you talk to them they can understand you just fine. Usually they can write what they want to say, they just can't make sense of it to say it. Strange how that works isn't it?
Anyway, just something so small as a pin prick into your brain can make someone unable to use language, do math, etc.
I got off topic, lol. I don't think there is any real desire to be evil by those people. If you could rewire their brain to the way that most people's brains are wired, I bet they would be a perfect neighbor.
Now, when it comes to justice and prison, I have to go with John Mill more or less. I will paraphrase his beliefs to fit this situation. It is better for everyone else that the dangerous person be locked up, even though that person is not necessarily evil.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
That is not what I asked. In another forum you complained (without substantiating) that I put words in your mouth. Now here you are guilty of that with which you charge me. How about not substituting your unfair reformulation for my question, and answering mine? cn
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I had no idea you were a Choicer. cn
Considering the vigor with which you prosecute those with whom you disagree, this is remarkably weak. You might wish to apply comparable vitriol to your own whoopsies. My opinion.