Phosphorus lockout/deficiency

GandalfdaGreen

GandalfdaGreen

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Hey everyone. I transplanted my month old babies yesterday. Prior to the transplant I thought they were experiencing problems from being root bound. Classic yellowing of lower leaves and slowed growth. Upon removing from the smaller containers I noticed some were root bound and some were not. Most were not. Slowed root growth is a sign of phosphorus deficiency. Today upon my morning check I noticed the classic signs of early phosphorus deficiency as seen here in this chart.

https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/marijuana-plant-problems/1894318d1317184266-guide-nutrient-deficiency-toxicity-deficiency.jpg

My ph going in was always set to 6.4 to 6.6. I measured the ph of my new soil today and it was 6.4-6.55. I overloved these babies with one dose of fertilizer too much during the early stages. My bad. I know better. Im beating myself up for it.

My question is now that I have transplanted, how do I address this "lockout" of sorts? Should I just let them go in the new medium, which is FFOF and FFHF? The new medium will not be fertilized at all. I am going to put them in their final 5 gallon containers in 3-4 weeks. I would have flushed them before I transplanted had I known what I was dealing with. Now I am a day late and have never been here before. Thanks all.
 
GandalfdaGreen

GandalfdaGreen

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Heres some additional info that is key. I had a very significant family member pass away last month just after I placed these into their first homes. I really neglected them as far as getting them under the right light and leaving them in their 20oz cups way way too long. I also crowded them under one light which was not enough for them all. 250 MH. I also overfed them. My ph was right on. I check my pens in 7.0 calibration solution everytime I use them to make sure they are on. They stretched way way way too much. I just didnt have the time for them. Well now I do. I have thought about chucking them all and starting fresh. These were old stock that I was surprised even cracked.
 
Natural Gas

Natural Gas

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GandalfdaGreen said:
Heres some additional info that is key. I had a very significant family member pass away last month just after I placed these into their first homes. I really neglected them as far as getting them under the right light and leaving them in their 20oz cups way way too long. I also crowded them under one light which was not enough for them all. 250 MH. I also overfed them. My ph was right on. I check my pens in 7.0 calibration solution everytime I use them to make sure they are on. They stretched way way way too much. I just didnt have the time for them. Well now I do. I have thought about chucking them all and starting fresh. These were old stock that I was surprised even cracked.
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Hey Gandalf, Definitely do not toss...What I see is moisture stress...Go back up this forum to Uncle Ben's stickey (thread) on moisture stress...FWIW
 
Kite High

Kite High

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its not pH....as a matter of fact in soil soiless it almost never is ph...I agree...moisture stress
 
Bakatare666

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GandalfdaGreen

GandalfdaGreen

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They were just moved into these containers yesterday. This is OF and HF. There are several holes at the base of the bags. I bought them from a hydro store online. I last fed these Sunday. I have not watered them yet since transplanting. I did soak the OF and HF to "condition" the soil on Monday. I wont be watering anytime soon until they are dry and light to lift. They are only going to live here 3-4 weeks at best. 3 weeks is my plan.

Thanks for the replies guys. I really appreciate the help here.
 
GandalfdaGreen

GandalfdaGreen

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Its progressing since I watered and fed on Sunday. It seems to have been progressing since they were about 2 weeks old. I definitely am guilty of overwatering and feeding when they were too young now that I think about it. Do as I say, not as I do. Im good at that one. I just threw a dehumidifier next to the area to help dry things out a touch faster.
 
Bakatare666

Bakatare666

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GandalfdaGreen said:
Its progressing since I watered and fed on Sunday. It seems to have been progressing since they were about 2 weeks old. I definitely am guilty of overwatering and feeding when they were too young now that I think about it. Do as I say, not as I do. Im good at that one. I just threw a dehumidifier next to the area to help dry things out a touch faster.
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LOL, click the double arrows in the first quote in my sig.:lol:
 
C

churchhaze

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It's potassium in particular that controls the turgor (water pressure) of plant cells. Potassium is pumped into cells with low water pressure so that it sucks up water from adjacent cells with lower osmotic gradient. A high level of potassium allows water to be used more efficiently. You'll see it in the leaves becoming more turgid as you add more nutrients in general. A lower level of potassium causes the leaves to be flaccid.

Your plant is just hungry. It looks like it needs nitrogen too. Plants without enough food simply won't handle water well.

GandalfdaGreen said:
I promise to never ever water my plants again. :lol: I think I can cross this one off as a big lesson learned. That was a great read. Holy crap. People need to see that. Thanks Bakatare.
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GandalfdaGreen

GandalfdaGreen

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Here is an update. The plants were really hit hard from the overwatering, late transplanting, etc. I strongly considered killing them and starting over. I turned things around by leaving them alone. Period. I have only watered 3 times since May 9th. Each watering was only 8-16 ozs depending on what that specific plant needed. Not all plants get the same amount of water from here on out. Its all based on container weight. In one watering I added FF Boomerang, Microbrew, and Kangaroots. Each at a 1/4 to 1/2 strength. Every ph was set at 6.3-6.4. I also folliar feed an alternating daily schedule of FF Big Grow and FF Flowers Kiss, also at 1/4 strength. I have learned that this plant is a weed and it does not want us to F with it all the time. Leave it alone. Don't overwater or overfeed. The reason I folliar fed was because I destroyed their roots by overwatering. They were drowning. A big thing I learned is that it takes time for the plants to heal from such beatings. Don't expect things to be better in 4 days and then get all pissed and start fucking with them. I almost did that. Leave them be. Its going to take 2 weeks to see new growth. If you look at the pictures you can see the old yellowing leaves down low. I am going to put these into bigger smart pots in a week and flower them if I can. I have a few questions though. The last pictures are from two plants. Their leaves are curling in on themselves. Also one of the leaves show an oncoming Mag deficiency. One last thing is there is purpling on some leaf stems which may be a sign of Mag deficiency. I am not going to do anything trust me until I know what is going on. I want to thank Natural Gas for pulling me out of this. Thanks my friend.
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Bakatare666

Bakatare666

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Glad you got it handled dude, my 3 plants constantly fuck with me, one in a smaller pot, other two are diff. strains, sometimes feed one, sometimes feed two, almost never watering and/ or feeding 3 on the same day.
 
GandalfdaGreen

GandalfdaGreen

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The reason I added the FF Kangaroots, Microbrew, and Boomerang was to get the roots on their way to recovery. It was all about the roots to me. From now on I am thinking roots first. Eye opener. Bakatare hooked me up with advice also during this fiasco. Thanks Bakatare. Also they were just FIMmed or topped a few days ago.
 
Bakatare666

Bakatare666

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GandalfdaGreen said:
The reason I added the FF Kangaroots, Microbrew, and Boomerang was to get the roots on their way to recovery. It was all about the roots to me. From now on I am thinking roots first. Eye opener.
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Quote from Hotrodharley, that I think he got from BigSteve, "Roots before shoots."
 
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