Thanks for the suggestion. I have soil acidifier sitting on top of my soil, and it's being taken down into the soil every time I water. I'm a little hesitant to water with to low of a balanced water. Because I don't want to end up with a super acidic soil after I water one day.
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Hello All,
Here's another quick update. Not really for sure what day it is i'll have to check my calendar and hit you with it on the next update. My fatties are looking a better. They are actually starting to perk up, and are getting a lot thirstier. Probably going to hit them with a top in a couple of days. The sprouts are looking awesome can't wait to get them in the bigger pots. Soil is still a light alkaline for the 3 gallon pots, don't really like these pellets i'm a little impatient I guess. Just worrying about a slow grown and a newt lock out I guess. Next water i'm going to give them a pretty acidic bath of about 6 or 6.5 pH not really for sure yet. Comment and suggestions are always welcome. Thanks
Here's another quick update. Not really for sure what day it is i'll have to check my calendar and hit you with it on the next update. My fatties are looking a better. They are actually starting to perk up, and are getting a lot thirstier. Probably going to hit them with a top in a couple of days. The sprouts are looking awesome can't wait to get them in the bigger pots. Soil is still a light alkaline for the 3 gallon pots, don't really like these pellets i'm a little impatient I guess. Just worrying about a slow grown and a newt lock out I guess. Next water i'm going to give them a pretty acidic bath of about 6 or 6.5 pH not really for sure yet. Comment and suggestions are always welcome. Thanks
Hello All,
So from transplant I have 2 plants on day 11 which are the bigger guys as you can see, and the rest of the nine are day 3 after transplant. I'm not for sure how I want to call it day wise or time wise since from germ it has been a little over a month. With that being said i'm just going to run with my previously mentioned days. The ladies are looking really good. I was gone over the weekend, but came home a happy parent. These bitches were begging for some nutes, and have really progressed in the past couple of days. I'm really looking forward to hitting them with the next nutrient feed. Not for sure if i'm going to increase the increments might just stay at the 1/2 of the recommended dosage. It's kind of difficult to see due to the lighting, but the plants I had topped are looking good. I can see the two new colas; they are growing bigger as we speak. I'm not really for sure when i'm going to top again any comments or suggestions? Was going to wait maybe 3-5 days before hitting them with the second and probably final top. Moreover, the little ladies are looking good, even though we transplanted the stress signs are minimal, and they are already back to flourishing. I'm thinking about topping those ones tomorrow morning giving them one more nice nights rest. The only main concern I have right now is with the two pics I posted last. On the day 11 plants i'm starting to see very small amounts of browning on the tips of my leaves. I'm not really for sure what it is, and was wondering if anybody else might be able to diagnose or give me some feedback on that.
Thanks All,
iBloom
So from transplant I have 2 plants on day 11 which are the bigger guys as you can see, and the rest of the nine are day 3 after transplant. I'm not for sure how I want to call it day wise or time wise since from germ it has been a little over a month. With that being said i'm just going to run with my previously mentioned days. The ladies are looking really good. I was gone over the weekend, but came home a happy parent. These bitches were begging for some nutes, and have really progressed in the past couple of days. I'm really looking forward to hitting them with the next nutrient feed. Not for sure if i'm going to increase the increments might just stay at the 1/2 of the recommended dosage. It's kind of difficult to see due to the lighting, but the plants I had topped are looking good. I can see the two new colas; they are growing bigger as we speak. I'm not really for sure when i'm going to top again any comments or suggestions? Was going to wait maybe 3-5 days before hitting them with the second and probably final top. Moreover, the little ladies are looking good, even though we transplanted the stress signs are minimal, and they are already back to flourishing. I'm thinking about topping those ones tomorrow morning giving them one more nice nights rest. The only main concern I have right now is with the two pics I posted last. On the day 11 plants i'm starting to see very small amounts of browning on the tips of my leaves. I'm not really for sure what it is, and was wondering if anybody else might be able to diagnose or give me some feedback on that.
Thanks All,
iBloom
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Hey bro whats up! lol finally back on here haha school cpus ftw! Have you thought about starting to lst? i know you had talked about it! Here is a chart i use to help wit all the little deficiencies and it helps with catching the signs earlyView attachment 2628083
Thanks bro! I topped yesterday on plants 3-11 and am letting them grow back a little before I hit them with the LST. Plants 1 and 2 growing back from topping but I want to figure out these deficiencies before I LST. I'm stuck on, nutrient burn, heat and light stress, copper, calcium, nitrognen (due to the pH), or phosphorus. What do you think it looks like?
Figong
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As a general rule, until you've dialed in your setup.. any new strains would be best tested out at 25% recommended, and then slowly working up until you find the sweet spot based on the phase of growth they're in... just my thoughts on that. Hope things are lookin' better, and am watching for more photo updates soon!
Figong! Good to hear from you again. Here are some recent pics we've taken of some burns/deficiency signs we've accumulated over these past 4 days or so. I've posted in another thread just because I wasn't getting much feedback on this thread. From what we've believe (a rough diagnosis) our two bigger ladies and a few of the smaller ones have light/heat stress, slight nutrient burn, or nutrient deficiency leaning towards Cal Mg, or Phosphorus due to lack of ability to lower soil pH. Our soil is made of 75% black gold soil, 20% perlite, and 5% vermeculite. Along with that we added worm castings, blood meal, a soil acidifier(which had a 30% S rating), and bat guano. I made a mixture that could easily get the plants two to three weeks into veg, so for them to obtain deficiences kind of startled me. However our soil is Alkaline sitting at a high 7.8 to 8 level. How easily would that cause a nutrient lock out, and if it did could that keep our plants from getting the required nutrients they need? I'll post more pics of some fresh growth and an overhead of how the plants are coming along from the topping I did. I'm really looking forward to starting the LST. I want to get them nice and square for the next topping sesh, i've decided to hit the twice and than send them to flower once they can fill a scrog screen. The ladies are beginning to smell great. Really heavy scent of basic marijuana smell it seems like. One last thing, my girlfriend has a case of psychotic paranoia, and thinks that from our topping we gave them or from any unknown source they were infected with Tobacco Mosiac virus. Any chance of this being a possibility? I'll upload some pics, but from the topping I gave them a couple of the leaves have came out with an eaten away pattern, and the tips appear to have been chewed off.
Thanks for the advice,
iBloom
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iBloom
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Figong
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I suspect it's primary P, in terms of def.. with the very beginnings of a mag, more than a cal/mag.. but if not overdone... a lil' bit of each should get them back into compliance. Needed a few days as shit in my life is changing drastically and just needed to go into isolation. No, tobacco mosaic would have wiped out all of your crops by now - it's extremely fast. No real signs of anything like tobacco mosaic, and given what it affects.. it's not known to affect cannabis at all really unless you have a mutated mosaic, and I'd then like to know how / where you got it.. and would like a sample of it so we can get something put together to stop a potential epidemic of that crap.
Thought it was bit of a crazy idea, but she appreciates it. My next feeding is suppose to be a nutrient cycle of Sensi grow a & b, floricious plus, flora blend, and black strap molasses. I have a couple questions in regards of when to feed, and what to feed. Right now my soil has an alkaline pH of about 7.8-8.0. It hasn't got down since the transplant we added a soil acidifier in to gradually bring it down. Could these deficiencies have started from a nutrient lockout coming from sitting in that pH of a soil mixture? If that is the case i've been watering with pH 6.0 on the last couple of waterings. It really hasn't done much for the soil pH. I'm planning on making a compost tea would adding some of the soil acidifier and a pH down be to harsh for my roots in lowering the soil acidity? When I do get the soil nicely set an a 6.5 should I run the full nutrient line up, or just run what I need from those early signs of P and mag deficiency. Thanks for your time and help bro +rep
Figong
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for 6.5 as an average.. you'll need to start watering with pH'd water of 5... 5+8 = 13/2 = 6.5pH .. your current: 6+8 = 14/2 = 7.0ph which is still good, but you could dial it down a lil' bit more with a lower mix. Yes, the deficiencies could have definitely started from nute lockout as a result of the pH that was up in the higher range. Would highly recommend tea, and as long as you're not just pouring pH down directly in, and you mix it with water as appropriate it wouldn't cause any root damage. You just don't want to hit fresh clones or baby seedlings with that stuff in any big quantity unless it's absolutely required, and by absolutely required I mean the difference between them living or not. Where the plants are at this juncture shouldn't be that much of an issue, and would run the nutes at 50% until you determine that they are ok with it, and you can slowly raise or lower from that point to find the sweet spot without overdoing nutes, tossing money down the drain and giving you a headache at the very same time. I think we can both agree that it'd be counterproductive to spike a plant with 100% of recommended nutes, have them go tox, stunted growth, other issues, and you get pissed to the point you want to napalm the room off of your house. Always run a nute line at 50% to start, then adjust as you want to, if you wish to. Any other def in that respect you can just make slight mods to on the go and get it back in balance =)
Sweet man you got me right back on track! Going to hit them with a good watering of 5.0 pH balanced water right meow. The moisture level on the is a 3/10 so they are thirsty. After I get my soil right about 6.5 i'll see if I can see any changes in deficiency maybe due to any nutrients already backed up in the roots. If not do you think it would be to much to give them an additional 50% mixture of Sensi grow A & B, floricious plus, flora blend as a liquid feed, and along with that a compost tea of worm castings, jamacian bat guano (to balance out that early P deficiany), and molasses for our beneficial microbes?
Figong
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As long as you're not showing signs of tox to any 1 thing, another shot of 50% shouldn't hurt at all. If it starts to show tox symptoms or burn though, you'll know that they're not at all enjoying the extra spike in close proximity to a previous feeding. That said, hopefully that pH gets down so you're not getting lockouts.. as the only way to ensure plants get nutes if pH is way off is foliar, anything else would sit in the soil until the pH is proper then it'd bombard the plant with whatever was built up that wasn't part of the plant uptake cycle.
On point figong brotha. Just for the soil down to 6.5 when we watered. Over night it drank some up, and the pH rose to a low 7 almost perfectly neutral. I'm going to give them one more water cycle to make sure the root intake is all cleared of nutrients; than ill more than likely run my full nutrient scale at 50% and maybe added a good compost tea to the mix. Thanks for the advice +rep bro.
As you ordered Figong! Had some times to take some up to date pics.First of all let me tell you how greatly your advice is appreciated. The plants responded greatly to the low acidic water almost instantaneously stopping any new growth of the deficiencies and allowing all my ladies to sit back and enjoy the sun! This is day 14 since transplant for the smaller guys, and the bigger guys are day 21. The bigger guys were ready for some LST after the top they received. Everything is looking really cherry, and the odor of these bad bitches is continuing to rise I love it. I'm going to get them with one more flush of acidic water, as the pH of the soil rose in correlation with how much water the plants were taking up. So this time going to hit them with a little more acidic water in hopes to have them rise to a 6.5 rather a 7.5. With that being said after the next water and soaking up process i'm going to hit them with the full line up of nutrients I have the Sensi a & b along with a couple other minor micro, enzyme, and amino acid additives. These will all be administered in a lower recommended dosage due to the minor nutrient burn we received after our first feeding. Thanks again for the help Figong, and hope you enjoy the new pics. As always comments and suggestions are greatly accepted and appreciated.
Figong
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Anytime, glad to hear that they're changing - tried to click on the links and get this msg:
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You may need to edit the post, and re-link the pics so they cooperate - this happens sometimes and am not sure anyone knows really why.
Yeah sorry about that; fixed the error. What do you think of them?
Figong
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Lookin' much better than being deficient, and just need time to fully rebound, soak the rays up.. and do what they do best 
I was really suspecting it was pH, sorry if I at all came off as talking down to you - I re-read one of my posts and to me, it seemed that's how it could come across.. so wanted to apologize in that respect.
I was really suspecting it was pH, sorry if I at all came off as talking down to you - I re-read one of my posts and to me, it seemed that's how it could come across.. so wanted to apologize in that respect.Never came across that way once brotha. They are off the rebound and going for the jam!Lookin' much better than being deficient, and just need time to fully rebound, soak the rays up.. and do what they do best
Give them one more soaking and than it's feeding time! I'm getting impatient haha want these things to be on roids! Looking forward to finishing off the Topping and LST. The SCRoG is something that i'm eager to start and master, plus once the screen fills up you know what time it is!