12/12 before preflowers

Chester Copperpot

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Hi all. I put my plants on 12/12 but there wasn't any preflowers, there are just a few starting to show now but they haven't stretched much and I was hoping to have them spread out to fill my grow space. I'm worried now that they won't fill out. I've tied the top of the main stems down and been super cropping the side branches to make them fill out a bit more.

If they are only just showing preflowers does that mean that the stretch is yet to come? I mean does it work like this: preflowers> stretch> bud???

Just a bit worried I won't be making best use of the space I've got because I gone and changed the light cycle too early! They've been on 12/12 for a week.

Thanks.
 

GandalfdaGreen

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pre flowers wont show until you 12/12 anyway - if they get too big tie the big bits down
I always sex my plants before 12/12. Always. I veg a bit longer, 7-8 weeks, but I feel you get an oz per week of veg. Not a rule but I find its usually close to that.
 
pre flowers wont show until you 12/12 anyway - if they get too big tie the big bits down
Not true.
Pre flowers will show on a "mature" plant whether it be in 12/12 or still in veg. I can show you a plant I have right now in veg under 18/6 with pistils.

So to answer the ops question- originally plants stretch during the first 2 weeks when entering flower depending on the strain it will spread or grow single colas. Sativas would have been still stretching and growing since they take longer flowering
 

GandalfdaGreen

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I stole this but it explains things pretty well:

After a few more weeks of this secondary growth your plant is looking more bushy and certainly has more node regions. It is during this time that your plant has reached sexual maturity and is ready to show sex. How long this takes depends on the strain you are growing but after the seedling stage has finished you are looking at a time period of 4 to 8 weeks vegetative growth. With Sativa strains this can take much longer.
At a certain stage towards the end of vegetative growth the plant enters its pre-flowering phase and, as a grower, you need to tailor your grow space and gardening approach to this new stage in your plants' life cycle.The next section explains how to identify the pre-flowering stage.

PRE-FLOWERING AND EARLY SEXING
Recall that during pre-flowering, plants start to exhibit their sex. As a grower, you should be hoping for as many females as possible. Pre-flowering occurs at the node regions. Towards the end of vegetative growth you need to check your plant nodes for what is called calyx development. A clone will carry the exact same genetic makeup as the plant it came from, so if you know your clone's history you will already be able to predict it's sex.

CHECKING FOR CALYX DEVELOPMENT
Choose a plant. First of all examine the node regions of the plant where the branches meet the stem. You are looking for very small pod shaped organs here at these regions.* If you don't find any here then move outwards along each branch checking each node region until you come to the tip. If you do not find calyx development then your plant has not reached its pre-flowering phase yet. You need to wait for it. Calyx development will come in time.
There are three early indicators of plant sex, but they are not 100 percent accurate.So remember, these methods can fail, but are often accurate predictors of your plants' sex.

First Early Sexing Method
If you've been growing the same strain and all the seeds were started at the same time, then you may notice that some plants are taller than others: the smaller plants tend to be female and the taller ones tend to be male. You can separate these plants into two sections in order to see how good your guesswork was when you do definitively identify sex. The other thing to note is that male plants generally start to pre-flower before females. If you have taller plants that are producing new growths before the smaller ones then the taller plants are probably male.

Second Early Sexing Method
A good way to identify plant sex at an early date is to examine the calyx* with the aid of a very fine magnifying glass. If the calyx is raised on a small, short stem then it's probably a male. If the calyx isn't raised on a small short stem then it's probably a female.

Third Early Sexing Method
'Force-flowering' is probably the best early-sexing method. To force-flower a cannabis plant, simply take a cutting and place it in a cup of water or a cloning medium, such as rockwool. Expose the cutting to 12 hours of light followed by 12 hours of total darkness. The cutting should flower and display its sex — however the plant must be mature enough to present its sex. An immature plant will not show sex because initial calyx development is not photoperiod-related. Plants normally mature around the forth week of vegetative growth because sex is not genetically determined until the third week of growth.This also applies to 'feminized seeds,' which can, and often do, turn out to be male.** If your plants are exhibiting calyx development, then this is a suitable method of determining the plant's sex.
 

Chester Copperpot

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originally plants stretch during the first 2 weeks when entering flower depending on the strain it will spread or grow single colas. Sativas would have been still stretching and growing since they take longer flowering
So considering that my plants have only just started to show preflowers/pistils that means they are only just starting to flower, so they will start to stretch soon?

Thanks for all the replies.
 

PetFlora

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Quick technique is to raise ppms ~ 450-500. This often initiates sex (probably due to higher PK). You can then drop back to more proper veg ppm (~ 300)
 

Chester Copperpot

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They should be stretching now. The first weeks of flower is the stretch period.
Ok yeah I can go with that, but what I'm wanting to know is: are they flowering as soon as the light is changed or are they flowering from when they are mature enough to flower? I've read that an immature plant will still carry on vegging even on 12/12 until it gets mature enough to flower (this is probably why 12/12 from seed takes so long). The plants are only just showing preflowers now and they've been on 12/12 for a week, so my plants will only flower once they're mature enough then it's taken this first week to only just enter maturity? Which has probably knocked things back a week? If you can understand where I'm coming from?
 

g00sEgg

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Ok yeah I can go with that, but what I'm wanting to know is: are they flowering as soon as the light is changed or are they flowering from when they are mature enough to flower? I've read that an immature plant will still carry on vegging even on 12/12 until it gets mature enough to flower (this is probably why 12/12 from seed takes so long). The plants are only just showing preflowers now and they've been on 12/12 for a week, so my plants will only flower once they're mature enough then it's taken this first week to only just enter maturity? Which has probably knocked things back a week? If you can understand where I'm coming from?
Sometimes it even takes longer than a week to see pre-flowers. Every strain differs. Once 12/12 starts...that tells the plant...OMG WINTER IS COMING I NEED TO FLOWER BEFORE I DIEEEEE. How long it takes to flower/show flowers is all dependent on the strain, and the environment.
 

Chester Copperpot

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Ok thanks for the reply, g00sEgg. I feel like I'm going round in circles a bit lol what I'm trying to determine is that if they are only just showing preflowers/pistils then there will be some stretch to come? I'm just hoping that seeing as they are only just sexually mature there is time for them to get bigger and/or fill out?
 

g00sEgg

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Ok thanks for the reply, g00sEgg. I feel like I'm going round in circles a bit lol what I'm trying to determine is that if they are only just showing preflowers/pistils then there will be some stretch to come? I'm just hoping that seeing as they are only just sexually mature there is time for them to get bigger and/or fill out?
If they've only been flowering for a week...then they will, indeed, get bigger and fill-out.
 

^Slanty

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A better question would be what type of lighting are you using? This will be a big determining factor of how much stretch to expect!
 
The only thing the size of light has to do with anything would be how much and big a plant would get. I wouldn't say it has to do with its stretch. I can use 1 cfl bulb and my plant can stretch when it starts to flower.

Like gooseegg said they will start flowering when they are mature. They are mature when you see preflowers. Each plant differs so it depends.
Some count flower days from when the plant is placed under 12/12 I do that only from clone since the clones are copies of the mother and she was mature. But if I start from seed I start counting flower fromwhen I see a bunch of pistils. So if yours just started showing pistils now a week into 12/12 then yeah I would say some stretch is still to come.
 
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