$440 ounces @ Slater
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Figong
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Thanks for that one boss =)
cheeba soulja
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huh??
ri law - 21-28.6
1 patient = 12 mature (flowering) and 12 seedlings (vedging)
1 caregiver with 1 registered patient = 12 mature (flowering)and 12 seedlings(vedging)
1 caregiver with 2-5 registered patients = 24 mature (flowering) and 12 seedlings (vedging)
unrooted cuts do not count,but seedlings do as they have roots.
Figong
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Am trying to work out how 24 plants without a perpetual grow that violates the guidelines could come close to supplying 5 patients that have mid-range/moderate usage..
cheeba soulja
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its stupid that 1 to 2 patients and flowering plants can double but 2-5 it stays the same...1 of the many flaws in the MM program.
Figong
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C'mon over to Michigan, it's 12 per patient + 12 for yourself, max of 5 patients = 72 plants legally.
SxIstew
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Food And Drugs[h=2]CHAPTER 21-28.6
The Edward O. Hawkins and Thomas C. Slater Medical Marijuana Act[/h][h=3]SECTION 21-28.6-4[/h]
§ 21-28.6-4 Protections for the medical use of marijuana. –
(e) Registered primary caregivers and registered qualifying patients shall be allowed to possess a reasonable amount of unusable marijuana, including up to twelve (12) seedlings, which shall not be counted toward the limits in this section.
SxIstew
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I have been reading the act for 2 days now and have all the info I needed to know. you can apply(250 application fee non refundable) for a "Compassion center" or "Delivery service" however if approved compassion centers must pay 5000 to the DOH prior to opening the doors. every year that passes beyond Jan. 1st 2012, so this is year 2, another compassion center will be reviewed for clearance to open. by the end of 3 years, if there are 3 operating without issues they will then consider accepting applications again for compassion centers. but there is nothing about delivery services. and i'm still looking for where I read (5) patients per CG. when I find it i'll let you all read it for yourselves. if you can get up to 5 even with a max amount of 5oz, having a collective of more than 5-10 CGs in the same state(ours being as small as it is) with 5 patients each could easily become a delivery service. and each CG would operate under their own authority for law abiding purposes. I know that the feds are cracking down on MM Delivery Services this year in California. but seriously guys we are in RI. the funding is not there. the state itself wouldn't benefit from cracking down on it's CGs. they make more money by charging all registered card holders fee's than they would pulling cards. with the economy the way it is i'm not surprised to find more delivery collectives popping up without any problems. Sorry for those of you who CAN afford 400+ per oz. but most of us are growing our own for the reason WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT SHIT. if they have better prices go with them. they cannot shut down a collective supplying 50+ patients and following the law. there is no law against collectives. no law agains delivery services. you have a limit to how many patients EACH caregiver can supply medication for(I knew I saw 5 somewhere listed under Primary caregiver in the definitions section of the ACT) and a limit to what you can carry.
SxIstew
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All MMP card holders with 2 patients as well can have 36 in each without breaking the law. 24 in each total for your patients and 12 in each separated for yourself being a patient. it's a weird loophole.and for the smart ones out there MMP/MMC's who grow their own, for 2 others, and have another 2 growing for you as well. more availability means lower prices. right?
cheeba soulja
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they consider a seedling a plant with roots.it does not matter if its a sprouting seedling or a plant that has been vedging for 6 months.to them a seedling = anything with roots. and a mature plant =plant that has visible buds.
thats the guidelines they go buy.there were some busts where they counted dead plants that a grower thru aside in the room months ago that they never got around to throwing out.why did they count them? because they still had a root system intact.
cheeba soulja
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no card holder patient or caregiver or both even if your a patient and a caregiver with more than 2 patients can not have more than 24 flowering and 12 in vedge.
SxIstew
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Have you read the Medical Marijuana Act? As a patient you are allowed 12 plants in each cycle. as a caregiver you are allowed 12 plants in each cycle PER PATIENT, meaning 24 and 24 if you have 2 patients or more. however, as long as the rooms are separate, and you have MMP and MMC certification, you CAN grow for yourself separate from your patients within the law. with proof that you are only using the personal grow for personal use, not accepting donations for overages (though apparently you can get paid from compassion centers without an issue?) RI limits of 24 plants forces the assumption of 2 patients per caregiver when it is CLEARLY state under Definitions of a Primary Caregiver-5 patient max.... Patients are only allowed 2 caregivers. caregivers are allowed 5 registered patients.
ok this thread has went many places... afew in the wrong direction.
***(g) A primary caregiver may receive reimbursement for costs associated with assisting a registered qualifying patient's medical use of marijuana. Compensation shall not constitute sale of controlled substances.
ok this means PRIMARY caregiver can recieve compensation from a REGISTERED patient legally... ok now onto the next thing,
*(o) A registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver may give marijuana to another registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver to whom they are not connected by the department's registration process, provided that no consideration is paid for the marijuana, and that the recipient does not exceed the limits specified in § 21-28.6-4.
now this says that as long as you hold a REGISTERED card (aka - legal cardholder) you may GIVE meds as long as it stays within normal limits (aka - 2.5oz max) to another cardholder. provided NO COMPENSATION is paid for the meds.
therefor, what we learned today is you CANNOT leagally accept payment or 'donation' if that person is not 1 of you 5 patients if your a caregiver... if your a patient you CANNOT legally pay for meds to a cardholder who is not 1 of your 2 caregivers... this is why a dispensary takes one of your caregiver spots so the transaction is legal.
so long story short, yes you can make a travel service but you can only accept payment if the cardholder you are meeting is REGISTERED TO YOU. so pretty much if your a caregiver and have 5 patients signed to you with DOH then legally go bring them meds for money and call youself a delivery service if you want. the seconf you take a 'donation' from cardholder not registered TO YOU by DOH. you can be arrested as a drug dealer.
multiple caregivers get together an register there 5 patients each and call yourself a 'group'... now you have several caregivers maxed out, you still CANNOT accept a 'donation' from patient unless that patient is REGISTERED YOURS. so its pointless to do so. state doesnt care if your best friend has 5 patients in need, unless those 5 are REGISTERED to you, you can only give free meds to them.
no ifs, ands, or buts about it... its pointless. just fill your 5 spots with people you trust and provide meds to them an keep it legal.
***(g) A primary caregiver may receive reimbursement for costs associated with assisting a registered qualifying patient's medical use of marijuana. Compensation shall not constitute sale of controlled substances.
ok this means PRIMARY caregiver can recieve compensation from a REGISTERED patient legally... ok now onto the next thing,
*(o) A registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver may give marijuana to another registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver to whom they are not connected by the department's registration process, provided that no consideration is paid for the marijuana, and that the recipient does not exceed the limits specified in § 21-28.6-4.
now this says that as long as you hold a REGISTERED card (aka - legal cardholder) you may GIVE meds as long as it stays within normal limits (aka - 2.5oz max) to another cardholder. provided NO COMPENSATION is paid for the meds.
therefor, what we learned today is you CANNOT leagally accept payment or 'donation' if that person is not 1 of you 5 patients if your a caregiver... if your a patient you CANNOT legally pay for meds to a cardholder who is not 1 of your 2 caregivers... this is why a dispensary takes one of your caregiver spots so the transaction is legal.
so long story short, yes you can make a travel service but you can only accept payment if the cardholder you are meeting is REGISTERED TO YOU. so pretty much if your a caregiver and have 5 patients signed to you with DOH then legally go bring them meds for money and call youself a delivery service if you want. the seconf you take a 'donation' from cardholder not registered TO YOU by DOH. you can be arrested as a drug dealer.
multiple caregivers get together an register there 5 patients each and call yourself a 'group'... now you have several caregivers maxed out, you still CANNOT accept a 'donation' from patient unless that patient is REGISTERED YOURS. so its pointless to do so. state doesnt care if your best friend has 5 patients in need, unless those 5 are REGISTERED to you, you can only give free meds to them.
no ifs, ands, or buts about it... its pointless. just fill your 5 spots with people you trust and provide meds to them an keep it legal.
you are wrong... read the entire act i suggest before you grow.
it does say you are allowed 12 and 12 per patient as a caregiver BUT, the MOST you can have is 12veg and 24 flower. patients can only have 12 and 12 because they only provide for themselfs...
also, it states in the law the MOST you can have as a cardholder is 12 veg and 24 flower. so if you have a patients card AND a caregivers card with 2 patients assigned to you, you limit is still 12 veg and 24 flower.
this is another 'grey' area in our lovely guilty till proven innocent state. you will be arrested for being over plant count if you have 12veg an 12flower for your patient card and 12veg and 24 flower in your name for being over plant count.
also, dont get caught up in what your reading from other cardholders... the law does not say anything about seperate rooms....
the one thing you are right about is the dispensary is paying cardholders who are not registered to them for meds. according to state law the cardholders can be arrested for accepting the money since we are not registered to them. however, the dispensary is legally allowed to pay the cardholder. cardholder just cannot legally take the payment.
gotta love our state.
SxIstew
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I've read it and it bounces all over the place from beginning to end. how are ANY PLANT WITHOUT BUD OR FLOWERS considered seedlings? I can pick off all my preflowers and call my plants seelings? they allow 12 "Mature Plants" what is mature? flowering? I'm done trying to figure all this out. I'll just stick to growing instead of research and posting.
Its bunch of crap... one day someone will be arrested for taking donations from a cardholder who is NOT registered to them and will argue in court, legally you can sell meds to dispensary that is NOT registered to you but not a patient. And that will change the entire game...
either the dispensary will not be able to buy meds off cardholders and will go broke cause cannot grow enough to supply or they will change laws so any cardholder can accept money from any cardholder period.... or they just ammend the laws so any cardholder can take money from a dispensary without being registered to it. Which is likely the case.
either the dispensary will not be able to buy meds off cardholders and will go broke cause cannot grow enough to supply or they will change laws so any cardholder can accept money from any cardholder period.... or they just ammend the laws so any cardholder can take money from a dispensary without being registered to it. Which is likely the case.
cheeba soulja
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exactly.its good to have the facts on these laws before growing.if reading the laws yourself is confusing there are RIPAC meetings you can attend free of charge if your a cardholder.they have orientation meetings that explain all the laws and any questions you may have.then there are regular meetings that keep you in the information loop from evreything to changes in the law to how to grow ETC.
cheeba soulja
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this is there guidelines and what LEO goes by -
mature = budding plants
seedling = anything with roots not budding.
Anabolic1979
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The law needs to be changed to allow any card holder to enter a compassion center/ dispensary to by meds without having to make them your caregiver.. That's the silliest thing that I find here! It gives the patient less control and too much to these centers.
then they cannot investigate sales... its all about control.
state needs to see every sale, to who an when. by having them registered they know no meds is going on the street. dispensary could get sneaky and sell on street and write it off to random patients if they were not needed to register. also, there is 25$ fee which adds up for state.
the dispensary is pretty much under the same 'sales' guidelines as a caregiver... so to allow dispensary to have extra rights to legally sell to a patient rather than provide caregivers to legally provide many patient would never fly since its know and will be argued that a caregiver is a better option for patients... they dont want it to be that obvious that all they care about is tax money rather than people having medicine at an affordable and convience.
state needs to see every sale, to who an when. by having them registered they know no meds is going on the street. dispensary could get sneaky and sell on street and write it off to random patients if they were not needed to register. also, there is 25$ fee which adds up for state.
the dispensary is pretty much under the same 'sales' guidelines as a caregiver... so to allow dispensary to have extra rights to legally sell to a patient rather than provide caregivers to legally provide many patient would never fly since its know and will be argued that a caregiver is a better option for patients... they dont want it to be that obvious that all they care about is tax money rather than people having medicine at an affordable and convience.