Tomato Root Formation

slade122

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Tomatoes are probably one of the easiest plants to clone in my experience. Tomatoes are incredibly resilient and are capable of handling high doses of nutrients at a relatively early age. I just wanted to post some day-by-day shots of roots forming on a tomato clone. I'm using a TurboKloner T24 with a time set to 1min on/4min off. Foxfarm Grow Big and Rootbastic are the two nutrients that I use in my reservoir. 6.0-6.5PH. Tap Water =280ppm. ECwith nutes = 400ppm
Day 5:
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Day 6:
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slade122

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What meter do you use ?

I just got this one a few days ago and still trying to understand the EC .500 .700 thing that people
post about..I'm confused.

http://www.amazon.com/COM-100-Waterproof-Combo-Meter-Temperature/dp/B000VVVEUI/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
Here is the PH meter that I am using:
http://www.amazon.com/Neewer-Digital-PH-009-Multimeter-Tester/dp/B005DWGR20/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1366833738&sr=8-3&keywords=ph+meter

Here is the EC/temp meter that I use:
http://www.amazon.com/HM-Digital-TDS-3-Handheld-Carrying/dp/B000VTQM70/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1366833703&sr=8-3&keywords=tds+meter

I find that these a relatively reliable despite the low price of the units.
 

slade122

Member
For the price I paid, I couldn't be happier. I frequently drop handhelds and got tired of replacing them with expensive meters. That is what eventually led me to the meters that I own now. Accuracy on the TDS meter is +-1-2% which is accurate enough for hydroponic applications. For example, my peppers I keep around 900ppm, with the included variation, the ppm could be 882-918. I have used Hanna meters in the past, just for reference. The only downfall is that you have two meters instead of one...
 

RainerRocks

Active Member
I have TDS solution 1000 ppm NaCI ,at 25C/77F.
Small print under 1000 ppm it says.....1060 as KCI -1450 as 442-2000ps

I read this on HM digital website and not sure I calibrated it correctly.

"For example, 1060 ppm KCl = 1000 ppm NaCl. Therefore, if you have a 1060 ppm KCl calibration solution, but a meter with the NaCl conversion factor, such as the TDS-3, you can still calibrate the TDS-3 with the KCl calibration solution. In other words, if putting the TDS-3 into a 1060 ppm KCl solution, the meter should read 1000 ppm."

So when I set my meter to KCI ppm and dip it in the 1000ppm solution should my meter read 1000ppm or 1060 ppm ?

Thanks and sorry for Hi-Jacking your thread .
 

slade122

Member
I have TDS solution 1000 ppm NaCI ,at 25C/77F.
Small print under 1000 ppm it says.....1060 as KCI -1450 as 442-2000ps

I read this on HM digital website and not sure I calibrated it correctly.

"For example, 1060 ppm KCl = 1000 ppm NaCl. Therefore, if you have a 1060 ppm KCl calibration solution, but a meter with the NaCl conversion factor, such as the TDS-3, you can still calibrate the TDS-3 with the KCl calibration solution. In other words, if putting the TDS-3 into a 1060 ppm KCl solution, the meter should read 1000 ppm."

So when I set my meter to KCI ppm and dip it in the 1000ppm solution should my meter read 1000ppm or 1060 ppm ?

Thanks and sorry for Hi-Jacking your thread .
The following should help you to understand. As it states, NaCL is most closely related to hydroponic nutrients. Because the meter comes calibrated by NaCL by default, your meter should read 1060ppm if you dip it in KCl.


The following is from:https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/290668-ec-tds-meter-help-needed.html

posted by someguy15

Difference is what chemical it is basing it's PPM 'guess' off of. All PPM meters are EC meters that convert. I prefer to use the NaCL EC setting on mine, and then convert to ppm (.5) or ppm (.7) depending on situation using the scale below. The only difference between the 3 ec settings are the temperature compensation curves. I choose EC NaCl.

(EC(mS))—(PPM.5)—(PPM.7)—(CF)
.4———200————-280———–4—–seedling/ rooted clones
.6———300————-420———–6—–
.8———400————-560———–8—–veg
1.0——–500————-700———-10
1.2——–600————-840———-12
1.4——–700————-980———-14
1.6——–800————-1120———16—–aggressive
1.8——–900————-1260———18
2.0——–1000————1400———20—–super aggressive
2.2——–1100————1540———22
2.4——–1200————1680———24
So if it reads 956, your ec is .956.... if it reads 104 and the x10 symbol is blinking, this is 1.04 EC, make sense?

Reason I prefer EC is it never changes. Too often people throw around PPM measurements and never note if its the .5 or .7 scale. As you can see this makes a big difference... at 1EC, the (.5)ppm is 500, but the (.7)pmm is 700. If the person doesn't mention what scale, we really have no clue which to choose.

With this meter you can measure EC (NaCL, 442, KCL) or PPM (NaCl & KCL are .5 scales) and (442 is a .7 scale)


What is the best way to calibrate a TDS or EC meter?

Answer: Standard reference solutions are used. The bottles are marked with the conductivity (EC) value in milliSiemens/cm and the corresponding ppm values for sodium chloride (NaCl) and potassium chloride (KCl) solutions, and sometimes for a "442" reference mixture. The conductivity of sodium chloride solutions is close to that of hydroponic mineral nutrients, so a "1000-ppm NaCl" standard is most frequently used when calibrating the meter for hydroponic solutions. You should follow the calibration instructions in the manual, which the manufacturer of your meter provided.

Source:
http://generalhydroponics.com/site/index.php/resources/faqs/tds_ec_ppm/
 

RainerRocks

Active Member
Now I'm really confused and read what you wrote numerous time :(

I only use my meter to monitor my hydroponic set-up and my drinking water..that's it.

I don't understand this .5 or .7 or how it comes into play. Very confusing.

What does aggressive and super aggressive even mean ?

If you want to to start another thread so as not to hi-jack your thread that's good .
 

slade122

Member
NaCl & KCL are .5 scales.

As far as agressive, that refers to the strength of the solution, higher means more "agressive" feeding. This is a general marijuana-based guide for nutrient strength, however this does not apply to all plants. For example, tomatoes can handle well above 2000ppm.
 

slade122

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Tomatoes are probably one of the easiest plants to clone in my experience. Tomatoes are incredibly resilient and are capable of handling high doses of nutrients at a relatively early age. I just wanted to post some day-by-day shots of roots forming on a tomato clone. I'm using a TurboKloner T24 with a time set to 1min on/4min off. Foxfarm Grow Big and Rootbastic are the two nutrients that I use in my reservoir. 6.0-6.5PH. Tap Water =280ppm. ECwith nutes = 400ppm
Day 5:
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Day 6:
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Day 4: Roots just beginning to appear
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Day 7: Roots continue to explode, noticed new foliage on the top of the plant
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slade122

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Day 8: Roots continue to grow rapidly, foliage continues to grow, slowly. You can tell most of the energy is being put in to the roots.
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slade122

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Day 9:
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Day 10: Roots continue to get dense. Hairs are starting to form on the larger roots.
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Day 11: Plant starts to show signs of increased foliar development
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slade122

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This plant is more than ready to be transplanted to rockwool, which I use for all of my clones, regardless of if they are going in to a soil or hydroponic system. I feel that rooting it strongly in rockwool first reduces shock when transplanting to dirt. I use the same solution for my clones as I do for all of my seedlings and transplants. I'm going to continue growing this plant in the TurboKlone for a few more days before I move it to a rockwool macroplug for the sake of seeing what the TurboKlone does over a 2 week period.
 

slade122

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Here is a picture of the mother plant that donated the clones:
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Day 12: Looking good...
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Day 13: Reached the top of the turboklone humidome today, one more day until transplant.
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Day 14: Last day, this guy is really ready to be transplanted, and will do phenomenally in any system/dirt that I move it to. This guy will go under a 100W MH flood light that I turned in to a remote ballast unit for now.
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slade122

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Here is a picture of a plant a few weeks after it has been transplanted to an Ebb and Felow System. The plant I am holding was transplanted at day 8, whereas the plant to the left is the 2 week aero clone featured in the previous section of this post. The tray is flooded 4 time daily, with a nutrient solution of around 500ppm @. In total, i placed 15 clones in to this tray, which is filled with rockwool slabs. These vivacious plants only take a few days to root in to the media.20130528_094431.jpg
 

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Here is a picture of a plant a few weeks after it has been transplanted to an Ebb and Felow System. The plant I am holding was transplanted at day 8, whereas the plant to the left is the 2 week aero clone featured in the previous section of this post. The tray is flooded 4 time daily, with a nutrient solution of around 500ppm @. In total, i placed 15 clones in to this tray, which is filled with rockwool slabs. These vivacious plants only take a few days to root in to the media.View attachment 2675885
 
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