Sugar in hydro?

[bongjockey]

I didnt say that jeorge didnt know shit...and that he wasnt the man.. wtf... calm down...

With all due respect to Jorge, his books are not entirely error-free. He's a good writer and collects volumes of information from various sources (Al B was asked at one time by Jorge to write a chapter), but sometimes those information sources contradict one another or an error slips through. These things happen. This is why updated and revised editions are printed.

All im saying is that I have not found in anywhere where it says to put it in hydro.

You're right- and there's a good reason for that. Sugars are useless as food for vascular plants. There's limited evidence for use of sugars as a soil conditioner but none for use as a fertiliser. Keep the stuff out of your hydro op.

 

[Florida Girl]

so you got the page... tell me .. is he talking about soil in there or hydro?

Actually I already quoted this exact paragraph in an earlier post on this thread. It says exactly:



Molasses, honey, and other sugars are said to increase soil microbials, enhance regrowth, and make the plant's use of nitrogen more effective. Molasses will raise the energy level of the plant and acts as a mile natural fungicide. Molasses is the "secret ingredient: in many organic fertilizers.



So I understand the point about "soil microbials"... he is clearly talking about soil there. HOWEVER.... when he says molasses will raise the energy level of the plant I don't get how that can be construed as ONLY pertaining to soil. Isn't that a "root" thing.... seems to me roots whether in hydro or soil would have their energy increased by feeding on the molasses (or sugar).

I could be wrong in my interpretation ... and in all fairness... I never claimed to be an expert. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it like everyone else.

 

[bongjockey]

wrong again there bong guy...the 2006 edition in my hand has a little information, but nothing concrete. page 289 in wter n nutrients...cant miss it big bold lettering that says SUGAR

The copy I have (well, from Al B's bookshelf) is dated 1993. Please refer to the 1993 edition- and then tell me I'm wrong again, k?

Son, your problem is that you're on this big fat overcompensating ego trip (Jordan... the... what?). It's all about YOU. YOU have to be RIGHT.

This time- you're not. I hope you're not too crushed. Seek psychological help if you can't get over it.

Anytime you read a cannabis forum and someone tells you 'ignore the science, do it my way' there's something amiss. It's not about the people, it's about the plants- and the plants don't care about YOU.

 

[genfranco]

your right florida girl... you did post that before.... I thought about the same thing ...roots ar roots... if help dirt.. why not hydro... well as i found out ... it feed the bad microbes that are in there (especially if nute temp is not kept under 70) and will eat your roots..actually breakes them up into gooo.... Hydrogen peroxide is what somewhat has saved me...well at least the roots have stopped dying... hydrogen peroxide will kill anything natural in your tank.... Which is why its not recommended to use with organics.... seems hydrogen peroxide will work with the lab ferts...Which im fine with... good luck all... I just wanted to see if i was crazy..... But like someone said on here is that you have to kinda try and find out.... well i have... and wanted to make sure it wasnt anything else instead of the sugar.... all that is happening here in this thread is arguing theory instead of someone coming on here and showing me some pictures and telling me he/she adds x amount at x week and nothing happens...

 

[genfranco]

and Is Not Using Soil!

 

[genfranco]

Has anyone used this?

 

[bongjockey]

I've used it in the past. Stopped using it after the (stupidly expensive) bottle ran out, made no difference, never bought any more. Won't hurt anything, though.

 

[genfranco]

With all due respect to Jorge, his books are not entirely error-free. He's a good writer and collects volumes of information from various sources (Al B was asked at one time by Jorge to write a chapter), but sometimes those information sources contradict one another or an error slips through. These things happen. This is why updated and revised editions are printed.



You're right- and there's a good reason for that. Sugars are useless as food for vascular plants. There's limited evidence for use of sugars as a soil conditioner but none for use as a fertiliser. Keep the stuff out of your hydro op.

Thank you sir... well explained.

 

[bongjockey]

no wuckas.

Probably a good time to note that while plants are largely made of cellulose, which is composed of simple sugars which are assembled by the plant from elemental components like N, H2O & CO2 in photosynthesis (the primary reaction is 6H2O + 6CO2 ----------> C6H12O6+ 6O or 6 water + 6 O2 molecules, photosynthesised, produce one sugar molecule + 6 oxygen molecules), this does not mean that giving the plant sugar in watering will help it at all. Doesn't quite work like that. If sugars can pass the root membrane, the plant would not be able to use them in the photosynthesis reaction.

 

[JordanTheGreat]

what about the other essential functions of the plant? thats what it makes sugar for in the first place...dont you think giving it more would allow it to grow more vigorously? and jorge mentioned that it " makes the plant's use of nitrogen more effective ". and wouldn't that help it grow more?

 

[bongjockey]

Jorge would have been referring to the use of sugars as a soil conditioner. Sugars can feed some microbes which do advance the breakdown of complex organic fertilisers i.e. manure, greenwaste, etc. This WOULD increase the availability of nitrogen to the plant- if you're using compost or other organics in soil.

The root membrane is the filter that permits or halts substances from entering the plant. Since sugar is not a required part of photosynthesis, it more than likely will not pass the root membrane.

Even if you could give a plant sugar through the roots, you'd have to give it the same sort of sugar that the plant itself makes. Sugars are not all the same- and there's numerous types. You can bet that your plant will not be interested in sucrose as contained in molasses or table sugar. Sucrose is a complex sugar with a long molecular chain, C12H22O11, as opposed to C6H12O6 (isomers glucose, fructose) as made by plants.

 

[JordanTheGreat]

i know that it is not a necessary compound for photosynthesis, plants spend half of their flowering time in the dark...growing, using cellular respiration. sugar is the fuel in that process...why wouldnt supplying more sugars during anytime(especially in the dark since there is an absence of light for photosynthesis to occur) not be beneficial?

 

[bongjockey]

Transpiration all but stops and photosynthesis DOES stop in the dark. About all the plant does in a 12 hour dark period is make flowering hormone.

One more time- how are you planning to get the sugar past the roots- are you sure it will cross the root barrier- and will you be supplying C6H12O6, a sugar the plant can use, instead of sucrose?

You're wasting your time with sugar as a plant food, but remember- that in no way means that someone familiar with Barnum's Theory won't take the opportunity to sell you some magic sugar sauce for your plants.

 

[JordanTheGreat]

and in water culture i have heard that chelating agents are good...and sugar would be one. as a matter of fact with the ghetto ass grow i got going right now i have been trying using sugar from start to finish... im bout three weeks into my flowering stage and my babies are healthy. thats all im sayin, imma keep doin it cuz it works for me... until sumone tells me sumthing concrete. like the size of a sucrose molecule being too large to permiate the membrane of a root, or since sugars are one of the main building materials in plant cell walls that having more around wouldnt be useful.

 

[JordanTheGreat]

and what about the calvin cycle...? would it be useful at all there?

 

[bubblerking]

and in water culture i have heard that chelating agents are good...and sugar would be one. as a matter of fact with the ghetto ass grow i got going right now i have been trying using sugar from start to finish... im bout three weeks into my flowering stage and my babies are healthy. thats all im sayin, imma keep doin it cuz it works for me... until sumone tells me sumthing concrete. like the size of a sucrose molecule being too large to permiate the membrane of a root, or since sugars are one of the main building materials in plant cell walls that having more around wouldnt be useful.

Lets see your getto ass grow ill put my plants with no sugar to your plants any day i represent the true bay growers that use no sugar and no that sugar is bad in hydro

 

[JordanTheGreat]

im pretty sure that you've proven that you can produce without sugar, and i truly dont care what the fuck your doing...keep representing those guys and imma keep reppin that gOON sQUAD, and dont worry... im sure those "true bay area growers" will pat you on the back for jumpin all over me. its just too bad they aint factors, and neither are you. get off where your mad at and worry bout what the fuck you doin chump

 

[bongjockey]

and what about the calvin cycle...? would it be useful at all there?

If you can get it past the roots and use the right kind of sugar. You keep missing/ignoring the same points, why is that?

 

[JordanTheGreat]

im not missing them, im taking them into consideration with the plethera of information that you have been providing. now im starting to figure out how it would be beneficial...

 

[Pidgeon]

Listen people, this isn't a thread made to argue. It is clear the trying to convince Jordan that sugar isn't beneficial when he is getting results from his plants isn't going to do a damn thing. Plus, if somebody has root rot or some sort of hurtful algae growth on their roots doesn't mean that sugar was the only reason why it formed in the first place. Also, I have heard many many people say that small amounts of sugar to their res will increase yield and growth. But, you also have to take into account that a large number of these nutrients that we buy are not made with marijuana in mind. In fact many of the nutrients that we use are specifically designed for fruit bearing plants. So, can we please stop acting like Mr. Internet tough guy. Keep the personal attacks out of the forums..it makes you look like an immature idiot.