Moving to the US

kinetic

kinetic

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Dr. Greenhorn said:
you guys don't want to move to hawai'i. hawai'i sucks :razz: too much sunshine and good times
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I'm sure I could get work in datacom or telecom their. I think the sicilians on my wifes side would hunt me down for bringing the family so far away though lol
 
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minnesmoker

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kinetic said:
Also immigrants to the U.S. are afforded all kinds of loans and grants, unlike Canada where they want you to have a purpose, plan and/or a large bank account to become a resident. So that's always a nice thing to look forward to when coming to the U.S. I don't know about now but in the late 90's the Triad was vicious in Vancouver, I was warned to not be out alone near chinatown due to their violent nature. Australia's cost of living is huge from what a friend told me and they can be very small minded to outsiders. Everyplace has it's drawbacks. Where I live is much different than say where Doc is from or our Alaskan posters. That's part of America's draw. There are allot of different types of climates and enviorments to live in all in one Country.
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You are incorrect about immigrants. If not, prove it.

The UK has multiple climates.
Africa has multiple climates. Asia, Europe, even Australia have multiple climates.
 
kinetic

kinetic

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minnesmoker

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kinetic said:
Minne you do realize you listed mostly continents and not countries right? I was speaking about countries, not entire climates. C'mon buddy you can do better.
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We in the U.S. have a mentality about how continents, countries, and states break down. Take Europe for instance. If I expatriate to Germany. I can get a job in France, without much more than a piece of paper. I can get a house, and residence in Italy. I can take a train from Northern Europe to southern Europe. Australia is a country, as well as continent. You can freely travel between states. Asia is comprised, primarily, of India, China, Japan (an Island, but still considered part of Asia) and part of the former Soviet States. China has multiple climates, but is decidedly not free. With the exception of the northern rim, you can pretty much travel throughout Africa, and much of it is very beautiful, quite civilized, open, and (though not by law, by lack of enforcement) much more free than the U.S.

I am not saying anywhere's better than the U.S. but, we're also no better than most other countries.
 
kinetic

kinetic

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There's alot of countries we're better than. It may not be the best place to live for everyone and it's not the place to live for everyone. There are alot of other great places in the world, but there are far more worse off countries than America to live in.
 
Sativied

Sativied

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Orithil said:
I think paying some taxes is one thing, but do you live here? Have to put up with the policies that these people are laying down all the time?

If you're not here, in the thick of it, you don't know. This is my home, my home country in which the founding principals are being dismantled, by a group of people who apparently got the idea a few decades ago that if you convince people this is a democracy, they'll just roll with the shit figuring "Ah well, majority rules, maybe we'll win next time." when the fact is the individual's rights are supposed to be held paramount.

Yeah, maybe it's a touchy subject, maybe I get a little aggressive about it, but if you loved America as much as you claimed, and had to live in this society, you'd be pissed about it too. Legislating morality, robbing from the citizens to prop up businesses in what is supposed to be a free market economy, wasting our tax dollars on military equipment even the military doesn't want and says they don't need, getting our troops into situations they don't belong in, and waging war against their own.
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Good speech, I especially liked the "This is my home" part. Actually I agree with most of the above, what you say about democracy is similar to what I've been saying for many years (give people merely the perception of having influence).

I may not be there but most people I care about personally and professionally are, and I happen to be in a good position to compare. And that's what you are missing, I never claimed the US is as great as it can and should be, or even was, just not as horrible as some make it out to be. And since it was about moving to another country, if you want to compare destinations, consider EU policies (on top of national policies, don't get me started on the EUSSR...) or China, or Australia if you can stand their accent for longer than 5 minutes.

Yes, again, as I said, and repeated, it is common and healthy in a western society for citizens to be critical. It does however not apply as I was specifically talking about people from outside the US bashing about the US.

Orithil said:
but if you loved America as much as you claimed, and had to live in this society, you'd be pissed about it too.
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That's the whole point. I feel entitled to defend bashing against the US, not to be pissed about what "they" do wrong in "their" own country (at least not in a way expressed earlier in this thread...).

Orithil said:
a little aggressive
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a "little"? :lol: I don't care about tone, only contents.

Orithil said:
DISEASE
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Ah fuck me...
 
Orithil

Orithil

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That last one wasn't about the spelling error, it was emphasis. And who cares if someone outside the US bashes the US? Let them. Reverse your ideas and they work against you, THEY don't know, so all they're doing is talking idiocy. I know, and I'm speaking from experience. Yeah, maybe we have douche bags on par with other places, but we were a country founded to be better than our Government and our people are. Fat, lazy idiots with 5th grade educations and paid-for college degrees watching reality shows about pregnant teenagers and stuck-up housewives who fight all the time. Yeah, they have the right to do it, and I have the right to complain and be dissatisfied. By your logic, as someone outside the US you don't, but I do. It's not what they do in their country to me, it's what we do in our country, and it's embarrassing.
 
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