Living Organics *Ofiicial Thread*

st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Cann said:
Yeah itll start to add up but its much cheaper initially than buying a RO system. Before I bought my RO system I used to take my jug to the store every few days to get water for my ladies and myself. Pain in the ass, but the water is perfect for living organics as it is 100% pure. So lets say you use 20 gal a week to water those ladies, thats only $4 a week, or a little more than $15 a month. At that cost you can buy water for a year for the price it cost me to buy my Stealth RO 100 gallon/day system. With only 4 plants it seems like a no brainer to me...once you up the plant count it starts to get a bit more complicated. Good on you for switching you're lifestyle to organics, it is definitely the way to be. Hopefully you havent been feeding anything to yourself that you wouldnt feed your ladies...last time i drank tap water I ended up with a gnarly bout of diarrhea less than 24 hours later....shit is deadly.

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RO systems are expensive, and waste a ton of water. They are kind of the opposite of organic principles.

A de-chlorination system can be purchased for about $70, and removes 99% of chlorine and chloramine and doesn't waste any water.
 
gladstoned

gladstoned

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st0wandgrow said:
RO systems are expensive, and waste a ton of water. They are kind of the opposite of organic principles.

A de-chlorination system can be purchased for about $70, and removes 99% of chlorine and chloramine and doesn't waste any water.
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No shit stow. That why I quite using mine, I just couldn't run water all day long just to fill a trash can.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Yeah, that stuff looks nasty. It's only found in 4% of US water supplies, so it's pretty unlikely that you have it in your water. Have you had your water tested?

I dunno ...collecting rain water could be another option.

It looks like you've had an epiphany lately when it comes to bottled nutrients. Well, RO systems are the bottled nutrients of the water purification world. Very wasteful, and expensive.
 
Cann

Cann

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lol yeah perchlorate aint good stuff...unfortunately I know for a fact that it is in my tap water. on my town's website there is a whole section dedicated to perchlorate FAQ...not a good thing.

rain water would be a good option if I didn't have poison acidic rain also...the inland empire ain't the friendliest place

i totally feel you about the waste from RO...but I can't think of a better option honestly. I did get the system that only has 2:1 wastewater instead of 3:1..for what it's worth. i try to be as earth friendly as possible..but sometimes you gotta make sacrifices. I can either drink poison and give it to my ladies as well, or my ladies and I can drink pure water, but waste some tap water in the process. compromises...

If i still lived in the PNW none of this would be a problem. rain water all day, and the tap is clean except for flouride and chlorine. not sure how to remove flouride...but chlorine is relatively easy. unfortunately I live in the desert now...
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Holy smokes!! Do you live in Baghdad? :-)

The water where I live (MI) is pretty decent. I had it tested, and aside from a small amount of chloramine it looked OK. But then again, I had never heard of that stuff you pointed out so maybe there's other shit in there that I'm not aware of.

Just when I thought I had one issue put to bed .....
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Tried to copy/paste it. No luck

Anyway, here's the breakdown:

Fluoride 0.75ppm
Nitrate 0.18ppm
Barium 0.01ppm
Selenium 1ppb
Chlorine 0.62ppm
Haloacetic Acids 15.1ppb

That is what is added to the water. Of course there could be other contaminants that find their way in such as e coli etc. I wish I could take a survey of the micro-heard and ask them if any of this stuff bothers them. I'd hate to use a RO unit if it isn't necessary.
 
Cann

Cann

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This is the water report for my city...in the eastern part of the Inland Empire in good ol' southern california. the year the water was sampled is in parentheses, and all of these numbers are averages, with the range supplied in the original document but I was too damn lazy to c/p that as well. the averages are scary enough...

Aluminum (2011) 0.025 ppm
Barium (2011) 0.015 ppm
Chromium (2011) 0.27 ppb
Copper (2011) 0.00016 ppm
Fluoride (2011) 0.60 ppm
Lead (2011) 0.098 ppb
Nitrate as NO3 (2011) 8.36 ppm
Nitrate + Nitrite(as N) (2011) 1.51 ppm
Nitrate as Nitrogen (2011) 1.94 ppm
Perchlorate (2011) 1.81 ppb (this is the average...up to 4.4 has been detected in parts of town)
Sulfate (2011) 30.05ppm
Sodium (2011) 11.2ppm
Boron (2011) 10ppb
Calcium (2011) 43ppm
Hexavalent Chromium (2011) 0.26ppb
Magnesium (2011) 8.4ppm
Potassium (2011) 2.65ppm
Silica (2011) 17ppm
Vanadium (2011) 4ppb



Trihalomethanes (2011) 21.3 ppb
Haloacetic Acids (2011) 17.69 ppb
Chlorine (2011) 0.83 ppm


Total Organic Carbon (2011) 1.28 ppm

Total Tritium (2007) 188.5 pCi/l
Radium 226 + 228 (2006) 0.93 pCi/l
Radium 226 (2006) 0.97 pCi/l
Radium 228 (2008) 0.7 pCi/l
Strontium 90 (2007) 1.7 pCi/l
Uranium (2011) 4.7 pCi/l
Radon (2011) 748 pCi/l

and then they have this:

Information About Radon

Radon is a naturally occurring gas
formed from the normal radioactive
decay of uranium. In 2007
testing, radon was detected in our
finished water supply. There are
no regulatory limits prescribed for
radon levels in drinking water – the
pathway to radon exposure occurs
primarily through its presence in the
air. Exposure over a long period of
time to air containing radon may
cause adverse health effects. If
you are concerned about radon in
your home, testing is inexpensive
and easy. For more information,
call your State radon program
(1-800-745-7236), the National Safe
Council’s Radon Hotline (1-800-SOSRADON), or the EPA Safe Drinking
Water Act Hotline (1-800-426-4791).




lol..sketchy. tap water, a.k.a. poison. and to think there are tons of folks here who buy formula for their babies and fill up the bottle from the tap...mmmmmm.

just fluoride is bad enough. this documentary isn't too bad

[video=youtube;ChRTCWk-Y4g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ChRTCWk-Y4g[/video]
 
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i'm about to mix up my first batch of rev's 2.1 mix, which calls for both powdered and prilled dolomite lime. i don't have prilled and cant source it, but have the powerded. i assume that if i apply 2 tablespoons lime per gallon of earth stuff (2 galllons each of soil, coir, and earthworms), which works out to be 3/4 cup, i should be good to go. any advice appreciated.
 
Cann

Cann

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i wouldn't follow the rev's mix...thats my advice lol. sounds like wayy too much lime.

a while back I did a little tutorial on soil building, that's the recipe I'd recommend. you'll find it halfway down this page: ROLS thread

good luck!
 
wil2279

wil2279

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I am going to try giving TLO a go this summer. My soil recipe calls for azomite trace elements... I am not able to get these... Is there anything I can use as a substitute or will I still have a good mix without this ammendment?
 
Cann

Cann

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rock dust. glacial or basalt.

bentonite clay also.


can you source either of those? try landscape yards or pottery supply stores
 
AliCakes

AliCakes

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In the future, Azomite can be found locally at most feed and seed stores. Calling around like Cann said could save you a lot of money. My 40 pound bag was only $22.
 
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