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[bowlfullofbliss]

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These are 5 weeks, I kept them on multi zen for an extra 2 weeks just to keep them "unstimulated" to see what would happen.

wow those pic's looks just like the Rare Dankness longs peak blue I just ran.........they foxtailed real bad just like that. the plants looked HUGE, and I expected massive weight, but they were def above average but not mega......this foxtailing is new to my grow room........I thought it was the strain but now, since I use H & G and seeing this......I'm wondering what the truth of the matter is.

none of the strains that were growing in coco with Botaniare nutes did this in the same grow room, with the high levels of co2. I used Humbolt Big Up powder with the botanicare.

 

[berkman858]

wow those pic's looks just like the Rare Dankness longs peak blue I just ran.........they foxtailed real bad just like that. the plants looked HUGE, and I expected massive weight, but they were def above average but not mega......this foxtailing is new to my grow room........I thought it was the strain but now, since I use H & G and seeing this......I'm wondering what the truth of the matter is.

none of the strains that were growing in coco with Botaniare nutes did this in the same grow room, with the high levels of co2. I used Humbolt Big Up powder with the botanicare.

Interesting, I had no foxtails with Blue Dream in coco with no CO2 but had nothing but foxtails with the same strain (same mom) in an undercurrent hydro setup with CO2. I had more than one variable that is different so it is hard for me to pin down the root cause. I definitely would like to know the cause, if just for my own curiosity.

 

[Slimjimham]

I only foxtail when using shooting powder, love h &g but that stuff always does it. I use moab powder instead. Also really trying to decife if amino is worth it, and yes tge algen chunked up and did the same to me. Im gonna call em

 

[Sativied]

I'm using most of the H&G products, got the "starterskit", hydro. I don't follow the schedule or calc precisely, instead I use hydro A B, root excel, enzym, drip clean, and some magic green, and just look at the plants and their nutes usages. Currently at 800ppm / 1.6EC. Going great ( see sig )

Switching to 12/12 today, meaning I will continue to add enzym and root excel for a while. On top of A & B of course.

Normally I would start giving flower nutes (used Plagron and Bac on soil for example) in about 2 weeks, when visible flowering starts. But, simply put, I don't have an h&G bloom/flower bottle and it seems it does not exist (got bud xl, booster, and shooter additives).

So I figured maybe the A B ratio would change after the first weeks flowering, but nope, neither the case..

Anyone who gets where I'm getting at doesn't need me to actually ask the question so I will suffice with: enlighten me please.

 

[Grandpapy]

During Veg I add multi Zen,
Flower, I add Top Booster (tells the plant to flower) bub xl and later the shooter.
EDIT:I'm located in the US, products may be called different things other places.

 

[Sativied]

I got Top Booster too. It's basically PK13/14, an additive I'd normally give on top of regular flower nutes. I have a bottle of "PK13/14" from H&G for soil, but also used guano+palm ash on an organic run.

Or do you specifically add top booster (sooner than regular schedule and less) to transform A B veg nutes in flower nutes earlier on? In the schedule they only use Top Booster once.

(edit: yes multi zen is the enzym I mentioned, probably couldnt register that name here)

 

[Grandpapy]

I gen follow direction, I have gone longer with the multi zen just see what might happen, (results....unnoticeable)
Next time I'll start the Booster a week or 2 sooner and see what good might come of it.
Mind you, I get great results using as directed.

 

[Lucius Vorenus]

I gave H&G a good 2 runs and now im going back to dry powders. I expected a bit more from H&G but didn't get it. Good clean nutes and all but the fact its a 2 part and requires the mixing time and didn't get me better results in the end kinda makes it a non deal for me.

 

[a mongo frog]

I gave H&G a good 2 runs and now im going back to dry powders. I expected a bit more from H&G but didn't get it. Good clean nutes and all but the fact its a 2 part and requires the mixing time and didn't get me better results in the end kinda makes it a non deal for me.

We're u using aqua flakes a&b?

 

[Lucius Vorenus]

We're u using aqua flakes a&b?

Cocos A&B, Top Boost, Bud XL, Roots Excel

I liked it all just fine. No complaints. I am just gonna stick with my dry powders+moab that are so much simpler to use and get me as good if not slightly better results.

 

[Sativied]

I gen follow direction, I have gone longer with the multi zen just see what might happen, (results....unnoticeable)
Next time I'll start the Booster a week or 2 sooner and see what good might come of it.
Mind you, I get great results using as directed.

Thanks for the info. I'd be curious to read the resulta of using a little booster earlier.

However, I've been comparing the US H&G site (on NL site there is only regular plantnutes, something with not advertising mj...) to a UK and a local dutch growshop and it's not getting any clearer. I think I need to send them a mail or call them. Here's the thing:

I got the starterskit from H&G, it contains the additives, drip clean, powder etc etc. The base nutes is a bottle of "Hydro A" and a bottle of "Hydro B". I've been using it for a little over a month and my planst look insane (in a good way). BUT on a UK growshop site they sell those bottles, basically just the word "Hydro" with A or B, as "Hydro Bloom A/B". They also sell bottles labeled "Hydro Grow A/B".

In the schedule / calc for hydro it does NOT make the distinction between Hydro Grow and Hydro regular. I'm referring to it as Hydro regular because I think the UK growshop "assumes" it's hydro bloom - while in reality "Hydro" seems to be for veg+bloom and "Hydro Grow" obviously specifically for vegging.

Since it's working fine so far and I haven't found a bottle that says "Hydro Bloom A/B" it seems like a non-issue, but, my local growshop can deliver pretty much everything, so I need to be specific in my order.

I have no problem reading English, actually prefer it, but with the product names in Dutch being different it would be nice to find something else on their Dutch website than their "Plantnutes" product...

 

[Grandpapy]

Here's link to the "US" feed schedule and products. Wish I could be help.http://www.house-garden.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/HGAquaCocoHydroFeedChart.pdf

toll free number at the bottom of page.

 

[Sativied]

Yeah that's the main one I use for reference, as well as the US calc. I got that pdf from the dutch site through a direct link as well. The dutch site 'was' similar (with the menu options for all products) but now it only promotes a bottle of regular universal "plantnutes" and some bragging that they also have a TV commercial now for that product. Even the webshop now only offers that one product for €5.50 ($7)... weird.

The H&G starterskit is supposed to be good for a complete cycle so I guess it's fine, but since I need a little more A and B than the 1 liter bottles included I am going to give them a call nevertheless and see what's up with Hydro Grow vs Hydro regular (sold as Hydro Bloom by growshop) and the new slimmed down website.

Anyway, thanks nevertheless!

Edit: local growshop offers an H&G PK13/14 bottle at the same size of a H&G Top Booster bottle which they also offer, same stuff, yet latter is 40% more expensive. So maybe Top Booster is a special kind of PK13/14 although the label / listed ingredients are the same.

 

[berkman858]

I'm using most of the H&G products, got the "starterskit", hydro. I don't follow the schedule or calc precisely, instead I use hydro A B, root excel, enzym, drip clean, and some magic green, and just look at the plants and their nutes usages. Currently at 800ppm / 1.6EC. Going great ( see sig )

Switching to 12/12 today, meaning I will continue to add enzym and root excel for a while. On top of A & B of course.

Normally I would start giving flower nutes (used Plagron and Bac on soil for example) in about 2 weeks, when visible flowering starts. But, simply put, I don't have an h&G bloom/flower bottle and it seems it does not exist (got bud xl, booster, and shooter additives).

So I figured maybe the A B ratio would change after the first weeks flowering, but nope, neither the case..

Anyone who gets where I'm getting at doesn't need me to actually ask the question so I will suffice with: enlighten me please.

Top Booster and Top Shooter (or Shooting Powder) are your flowering nutes. H&G doesn't start the flower nutes until a few weeks into flower. They build the structure or foundation first and then put massive flowers on top of that solid structure, or at least that's what I have surmised from the flowering schedule and from talking to an H&G rep.

 

[Sativied]

Top Booster and Top Shooter (or Shooting Powder) are your flowering nutes.

Those are additives. Top Booster is PK13/14 and the shooter is for triggering additional flowering. Both used later on in flowering, not like base flower nutes which normally replace veg nutes around visible flowering time.

Google for House and Garden Hydro Bl (and google will finish it )

But for example:
http://www.hydrohobby.co.uk/nutrients-and-additives/house-and-garden-nutrients-and-additives.html

 

[Grandpapy]

Those are additives. Top Booster is PK13/14 and the shooter is for triggering additional flowering. Both used later on in flowering, not like base flower nutes which normally replace veg nutes around visible flowering time.

Google for House and Garden Hydro Bl (and google will finish it )

But for example:
http://www.hydrohobby.co.uk/nutrients-and-additives/house-and-garden-nutrients-and-additives.html

I see. They have come out with a 2 part base, Veg A&B then Bloom A&B. Seems a waste (disposing of additional plastics) I hope it dosen't happen here, the addition will mean their product line wont fit on my mixing shelf. at least not the 5l.
I'm sure they are justifying it financially. Time will tell.

 

[Sativied]

I see. They have come out with a 2 part base, Veg A&B then Bloom A&B.

More specifically, they have come out with a Veg A&B as only the veg listed at the link above actually says "Grow" on the bottle itself. The one they sell as Bloom does not actually say Bloom on the bottle, just Hydro (or cocos/aqua). It seems that in the UK the latter is considered Bloom but not sure if that has any motivation apart from the other being named Grow specifically. I'll ask them tomorrow and will post here.

 

[Sativied]

Ok, just noticed a "Corporate" section at the H&G .nl site. A couple of things others might find interesting (it's all in English)

First, check out their new catalog:
http://www.house-garden.nl/corporate/catalogue.htm

Second, check out the feeding chart for 2-component hydro/cocos/aqua at http://www.house-garden.nl/corporate/pdf/AB_1.pdf
A MAJOR difference I noticed is that it says to use Multi Zyme (your Multi Zen) throughout the entire flowering cycle. But it also confirms the difference between bloom/flower and veg base nutes. Note at week 2 flowering it goes from Grow to Bloom (which is the regular).

The bottles labeled "Hydro A/B" (i.o.w. those without Grow on the label) are also called (in their catalog) "flower base nutes". It explains why I could not find a bottle "Bloom" - it is implied.

I.E.: you are all vegging with H&G flower base nutes (which worked pretty well for me )

Other differences with US chart:
- Magic Green is not listed by Foliar spray is, and is used only during veg period (doh...) I got a bottle of Magic Green though.
- Drip clean is only used during vegging period, not during flowering - that seems flat out wrong.

About a month ago these were still seeds:
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[berkman858]

Those are additives. Top Booster is PK13/14 and the shooter is for triggering additional flowering. Both used later on in flowering, not like base flower nutes which normally replace veg nutes around visible flowering time.

Google for House and Garden Hydro Bl (and google will finish it )

But for example:
http://www.hydrohobby.co.uk/nutrients-and-additives/house-and-garden-nutrients-and-additives.html

OK these must not be available in the US yet. My hydro store doesn't carry them.

 

[True1002]

I'm 27 days into flower. Can I still use top booster?