my defoliated vs non defoliated... pictures inside.

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Apomixis

Apomixis

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I see what you did there. Very light, very nice to the plant. But I still can't understand why you would take leaves off that are bigger- they produce more usable sugar than the lower, older leaves. Big leaves=big photosynthetic product. Why bother at all?
Also, MJ flowers are racemes which, by their very nature will mature at different times. Correct me if I'm wrong here..
 
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Fresh 2 De@th

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Apomixis, the reason i took them off was to get better light penetration. you don't have to take them all off, just the one's that blocking the middle of the canopy. tbh, if you're going to give it a try, it's best you start while in veg stage.
also, if your plant is healthy, taking off leaves here and there through out its life cycle should not slow it down one bit. as i stated, one must really know how to read plants before he/she start advance techniques such as defoliating any other high stress training or pruning method.

it's just like topping, some strains take well to it and some don't. for example, you can top a plant and put it straight into flower, in some cases some people top while in flower, and the plant responds to it well. but then you got some that if you top them and don't give them enough time to recuperate she will start throwing male flowers all over the place or won't grow as fast as she use to.
 
Sir.Ganga

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Apomixis said:
I see what you did there. Very light, very nice to the plant. But I still can't understand why you would take leaves off that are bigger- they produce more usable sugar than the lower, older leaves. Big leaves=big photosynthetic product. Why bother at all?
Also, MJ flowers are racemes which, by their very nature will mature at different times. Correct me if I'm wrong here..
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No Apomixis your right they produce sugars, all of them do at different rates and throughout the grow period and yes they will mature at different rates at different heights on the plant. Once a leaf has past its prime it now becomes a liability to the plant using more energy than its worth. By removing these at the right time will only help the plant by allowing more energy transfer to the top of the plant or at least the branch you took the leaf from. Removing the inner shoots (suckers) will also transfer energy further up the plant.

The reason for removal of lower branches and shoots is to have all your growth in the grow zone allowing all flowers to mature at the same rate.
 
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ricky6991

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What i did to other plants was remove the large fan leaves going up main stem and left the ones on the top cola... all side branches are lollipoped until certain length that can out grow above shoots.

Again, get your head out of your ass. This post was my experience and what happened with me. THATS ALL. People can do as they please idc anymore... even my buddy who did the defoliating to both plants immediately noticed a difference in bud growth and said he feels like an idiot for doing it. According to that write up on defoliating he did it correctly. Read his post and tell me it does not say to say remove all fan leaves. All my sugar leafs are on still. So are you arguing that its wrong to remove all leafs? So all this bickering is from pruning afew leafs when you think they not fully functioning compared to defoliating which according to that write up is to remove all fan leafs not some when you want... so defoliation according to majority of people clearly is the art of removing all fan leaves. Whereas, in your eyes defoliating to just pruning afew leafs strategically.

How can people are about what works and what doesnt if they dont know the terms for which arguments based on.
 
PJ Diaz

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Ricky, that's just one dudes thread, not a how to manual. Most successful gardeners who practice leaf removal will tell you that a complete leaf strip job is stupid. It's all about moderation.
 
dopedeeii

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So Alexander gets his info from another source then passes misinformation to the rest of the riu world I see now I do admit the guy had sum nice top colas but it'll be alot of under developed lower parts so hey popcorn for him
 
zack66

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I personally think Alexander is one of the most knowledgeable folks on here. We all have our opinions on what makes a plant tick. I've read quite a few of his posts over the last few months and his info is right on!
 
Kite High

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Sir.Ganga said:
No Apomixis your right they produce sugars, all of them do at different rates and throughout the grow period and yes they will mature at different rates at different heights on the plant. Once a leaf has past its prime it now becomes a liability to the plant using more energy than its worth. By removing these at the right time will only help the plant by allowing more energy transfer to the top of the plant or at least the branch you took the leaf from. Removing the inner shoots (suckers) will also transfer energy further up the plant.

The reason for removal of lower branches and shoots is to have all your growth in the grow zone allowing all flowers to mature at the same rate.
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so says the idjit with the puny plants

I dub you the

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dopedeeii

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zack66 said:
I personally think Alexander is one of the most knowledgeable folks on here. We all have our opinions on what makes a plant tick. I've read quite a few of his posts over the last few months and his info is right on!
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I seriously don't doubt the guys cannabis know how but is there really a straight forward cannabis manual so to actually say this is how u do it r that is how u do it isn't apart of it mj is comprised of numerous different strains that r grown in different environments across the world so why talk as if God gave u(Alexander) a personal manual
 
Alexander Supertramp

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No thanks god, I do not need a manual. ...

I have decades of agricultural experience. Mostly growing annuals. Guess what cannabis is? An annual.........
My turn to beat a dead horse.....
[video=youtube;ETHvSTT6PA8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETHvSTT6PA8[/video]
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Alexander Supertramp said:
I have decades of agricultural experience. Mostly growing annuals. Guess what cannabis is? An annual.........
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Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't. If it is an annual it's the only dioecious annual that I know of. Some might argue that it's in fact a perennial, which is treated as an annual. The fact that you can reveg and have multiple harvests does support that theory. It could simply be that we've brought it to a climate that it doesn't really thrive as a perennial, so it's in effect become an annual. Point is, such things are not so cut and dry.

Out of curiosity, in your decades of agricultural experience growing annuals, what are the three most popular annuals you've grown?

[video=youtube;kv0-95ltk3M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv0-95ltk3M[/video]
 
Fazer1rlg

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ricky6991 said:
Ok so pics deffinetly suck... but they get the point across.

First picture is just a picture of a side node showing the plants maturity. Almost done!

Second picture is a skinnier bud with red hairs everywhere showing maturity. This is also the defoliated plant. Notice hardly any white hairs and no bulges of calyxes with fresh new white hairs... this bud only had 2 new bugles of new calyxes about 6 days ago. These have already receded red and mature. Growth stopped with new calyxes. This is the main top

Third picture is of an identical plant next to it. Not defoliated. Notice all the white hairs everywhere and very little red hairs. This bud is atleast 3-4x bigger in width and has a ton of new calyxes and white hairs coming off the new growth... this bud had 8-9 noticeable bulges of new growth 6 days ago. These calyxes have gotten bigger over the past week and hairs are still majority white. This is a main top.


The plants are, both equal size (about 6ft). Both clones off same plant(pineapple express). Sealed room with co2 at 1450ppm. Humidity at 40%(just lowered to 35%). Using lucas formula(just added MOAB thats why it burnt). Hydro ebb n flow system. Today is day 1 of week 7.

First hand experience for me shows NOT to take any fan leafs... in fact, this has me nervous to even pull a fan leaf off if its big enough to block 8 plants lol.
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Same exact thing happened to the plants I tried this "defoliation" I learned a good lesson never take leaves off again!
 
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Fresh 2 De@th

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once again, here's a pic of a plant that was defoliated. if you notice, only the big and mid sized fans in the middle was taking off, not every leaf on the plant.
you dudes can blame the technique all you want, but it's you that is truly the problem.





 
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