hothousemary
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jmt's??? do tellLol...candy!!! Your # Jump Is Prob. Do To Evap... Or The Plants Are Drinking There Water. Sounds Like An Adj. Is In Order, For A More Stable Run. Jmt's
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My first attempt at growing
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B. THC R+D
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Jmt's-just My Thoughts..........db. I Ant Gunna Tell Ya How To Run Yo Bitches. Unless That Is Needed??? Watch Yur Ph And Hitem With A Little Ro Or Your Water, And Bring The Ppm Down To Under The 1000 Mark More In The Low To Mid 900's Jmt's" Db.
I Ant Gunna Tell Ya How To Run Yo Bitches. Unless That Is Needed??? Watch Yur Ph And Hitem With A Little Ro Or Your Water, And Bring The Ppm Down To Under The 1000 Mark More In The Low To Mid 900's Jmt's" Db.
hothousemary
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your jmt's are wanted and honestly probably needed.... While this is a bright room for some it is still very dimly lit for me... I need all the guidense I can get!Jmt's-just My Thoughts..........db.
very nice looking setup! very nice looking plants! very nice looking gear! very scary flaming pussy!
got a couple thoughts for you.....
first, it took me awhile to find your fan... and when i did, i saw it was a small box fan. while this is better than nothing, an oscillating fan makes a LOT of difference. i had to take mine out of my flower room for a couple of reasons and the difference between the plants that grew with it and the ones that didnt is amazing... big beefy solid stems vs itty bitty wispy ones.
also, that oscillating fan will help with one of your specific questions... bugs dont like fans much
and since we are on bugs... i noticed that the baseboard in the room outside the grow area seems to be missing... looks like a gap in the drywall at the floor level... could be way wrong of course.... but you should seal that whole room up as much as possible to prevent bugs from getting in... seal the walls, seal the ceiling... make the room tight and as Grn said, keep that shit CLEAN!
if it was my space and i had extra cash and time on hand, i would probably build two (or more) smaller rooms into that big area... that would keep the areas a bit easier to control (unless mad heat becomes a problem, but that too can be overcome).
with all that gear, you could set up a couple of veg and flower rooms and really ramp things up!
another thing i noticed that you dont have going... and you are obviously interested in achieving the results from, is a cO2 rig. let me tell you, when i had my real room going, the cO2 tank and regulator made ALL the difference in the world! can cost a few beans and was a pain in the ass to get setup (valve opens, fans go off, weeeee) but it paid off!
in my current ghetto grow setup i am waffling between just skipping it totally or making one of those DIY yeast/sugar bottles for it... i waffle due to laziness and not being sure just how much of a difference such trace amounts of cO2 will make.... but i am pretty sure if i ever remember to get yeast at the store i will be using it... some has GOT to be better than none, right?
fucking sweet setup you have going though, for sure!
in the future, you might REALLY want to look into using a light mover! i say this cause most of your gear is really tight and comprehensive and that (and the cO2) is the only really noticeably thing missing... such a simple seeming thing can make a HUGE difference in yield! (up to 40%, i believe)
i have a question for you... as a new grower who is obviously (judging by the level of dust on your video gear) not into extra work... what made you go hydro instead of soil?
i am not debating that soil is better than hydro or saying you should be using soil (or soilless) to grow, just wondering at your thoughts.... because my AV stuff has so much dust on it i cant find it sometimes and hydro always just makes me go, "wow, what a fucklot of work!"
and for the record, i like the big ass inline pics instead of thumbs too
got a couple thoughts for you.....
first, it took me awhile to find your fan... and when i did, i saw it was a small box fan. while this is better than nothing, an oscillating fan makes a LOT of difference. i had to take mine out of my flower room for a couple of reasons and the difference between the plants that grew with it and the ones that didnt is amazing... big beefy solid stems vs itty bitty wispy ones.
also, that oscillating fan will help with one of your specific questions... bugs dont like fans much
and since we are on bugs... i noticed that the baseboard in the room outside the grow area seems to be missing... looks like a gap in the drywall at the floor level... could be way wrong of course.... but you should seal that whole room up as much as possible to prevent bugs from getting in... seal the walls, seal the ceiling... make the room tight and as Grn said, keep that shit CLEAN!
if it was my space and i had extra cash and time on hand, i would probably build two (or more) smaller rooms into that big area... that would keep the areas a bit easier to control (unless mad heat becomes a problem, but that too can be overcome).
with all that gear, you could set up a couple of veg and flower rooms and really ramp things up!
another thing i noticed that you dont have going... and you are obviously interested in achieving the results from, is a cO2 rig. let me tell you, when i had my real room going, the cO2 tank and regulator made ALL the difference in the world! can cost a few beans and was a pain in the ass to get setup (valve opens, fans go off, weeeee) but it paid off!
in my current ghetto grow setup i am waffling between just skipping it totally or making one of those DIY yeast/sugar bottles for it... i waffle due to laziness and not being sure just how much of a difference such trace amounts of cO2 will make.... but i am pretty sure if i ever remember to get yeast at the store i will be using it... some has GOT to be better than none, right?
fucking sweet setup you have going though, for sure!
in the future, you might REALLY want to look into using a light mover! i say this cause most of your gear is really tight and comprehensive and that (and the cO2) is the only really noticeably thing missing... such a simple seeming thing can make a HUGE difference in yield! (up to 40%, i believe)
i have a question for you... as a new grower who is obviously (judging by the level of dust on your video gear) not into extra work... what made you go hydro instead of soil?
i am not debating that soil is better than hydro or saying you should be using soil (or soilless) to grow, just wondering at your thoughts.... because my AV stuff has so much dust on it i cant find it sometimes and hydro always just makes me go, "wow, what a fucklot of work!"
and for the record, i like the big ass inline pics instead of thumbs too
hothousemary
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bfq thank you for your feedback!! I love kinda co op help here!! You are another example of that and I am grateful..
btw the big ass font is only so the replys would be easy to find... And thanks again for checking my journal and the advice! Please continue to do so!very nice looking setup! very nice looking plants! very nice looking gear! very scary flaming pussy! *forgot about that post! lol Thought I was going to have to defend not having a std and my sex, yet again!
got a couple thoughts for you.....
first, it took me awhile to find your fan... and when i did, i saw it was a small box fan. while this is better than nothing, an oscillating fan makes a LOT of difference. i had to take mine out of my flower room for a couple of reasons and the difference between the plants that grew with it and the ones that didnt is amazing... big beefy solid stems vs itty bitty wispy ones.
that fan ya saw is the one on the right side of my grow, it is the smallest 4 fans I have in there... Ill put a pic here to show ya, ok well its gonna be several pics. If ya like pic heavy here ya go!
here is the one I think you saw, I put it here to try and flow through to the back side and lower canopy. plus its a hot room so I figured as lil still air in there as posible.. and I wanted to strengthen the stems..
This one is the first fan I put in the room during veg... its about 6ft away and always on high.
this one is here to cool from the hps lights... fuckers put off more heat than I ever thought they would.... After putting them in (the lights) I freaked on the heat and quickly tied a boxfan up from the ceiling at light level and just at the top of the canopy about 3ft away.. as luck would have it, the thing oscillates on its own perfectly.. this fan stays on low.
this one I put up right after the hanging box fan at canopy it stays on low also..
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/gonzopatience/HPIM0419.jpg
direct link wouldn't work on this one for some reason...
also, that oscillating fan will help with one of your specific questions... bugs dont like fans much
and since we are on bugs... i noticed that the baseboard in the room outside the grow area seems to be missing... looks like a gap in the drywall at the floor level... could be way wrong of course.... but you should seal that whole room up as much as possible to prevent bugs from getting in... seal the walls, seal the ceiling... make the room tight and as Grn said, keep that shit CLEAN!
the room is a lil unclean right now but because I have been working in there today. its panaling on the wall. Here is a pic to show the sealing job.. its good.
the stains on the ground are from cleaning the room with simple green when I prepped it.
if it was my space and i had extra cash and time on hand, i would probably build two (or more) smaller rooms into that big area... that would keep the areas a bit easier to control (unless mad heat becomes a problem, but that too can be overcome).
that was the plan, but I am presently switching jobs unexpected.. Its actually a great opportunity but has me cash strapped for a week or two...
with all that gear, you could set up a couple of veg and flower rooms and really ramp things up!
another thing i noticed that you dont have going... and you are obviously interested in achieving the results from, is a cO2 rig. let me tell you, when i had my real room going, the cO2 tank and regulator made ALL the difference in the world! can cost a few beans and was a pain in the ass to get setup (valve opens, fans go off, weeeee) but it paid off!
again this the job change.... have tank but nothing else..
in my current ghetto grow setup i am waffling between just skipping it totally or making one of those DIY yeast/sugar bottles for it... i waffle due to laziness and not being sure just how much of a difference such trace amounts of cO2 will make.... but i am pretty sure if i ever remember to get yeast at the store i will be using it... some has GOT to be better than none, right?
fucking sweet setup you have going though, for sure!
in the future, you might REALLY want to look into using a light mover! i say this cause most of your gear is really tight and comprehensive and that (and the cO2) is the only really noticeably thing missing... such a simple seeming thing can make a HUGE difference in yield! (up to 40%, i believe)
i have a question for you... as a new grower who is obviously (judging by the level of dust on your video gear) not into extra work... what made you go hydro instead of soil?
i am not debating that soil is better than hydro or saying you should be using soil (or soilless) to grow, just wondering at your thoughts.... because my AV stuff has so much dust on it i cant find it sometimes and hydro always just makes me go, "wow, what a fucklot of work!"
I went hydro because I was given the lights fans co2 can, nutes, and hydroponics system. I have pics and post eailer in this journal on all that.. I was given this stuff by someone who is expecting something from it.. So my logic is that I will get started like this, learn what I can, gain knowledge yata yata yata.. and maybe around my 3rd grow start growing some ordered seeds and have a soil grow in a corner of the room.. but I am still a newb so I imagine that can change as I learn what I am doing..
and for the record, i like the big ass inline pics instead of thumbs too
i am not surprised to see that you actually have my points already covered... very solid grow you have going! i am impressed for a n00b run, it is VERY good!
as for temps on the HID's... two words: cool tube.
you simply would not believe the difference they make!
also, when you break down the big area to smaller ones with walls, you can control the temps a lot better... pull cool air from a cool and low area, dump the hot air somewhere high and far away. my shabby little flower area actually stays a couple degrees cooler than the outer room that it is in just from active exhaust and passive intakes and a bit of a ghetto cool tube setup i put on my CFL racks. and you can do things like put the ballasts outside the grow area so that the ambient temperature isnt effected.
i just found out today that the Missus will let me use a real honest to goodness closet, so i will be going back to HID MUCH sooner than i thought! YAY! the particular closet is built around an old and unused chimney in the house too.... good bye evil hot air!
oh, and for the record, i had read your thread well enough to know you basically won the grower's lottery on equipment, i just missed that you got the hydro gear too... no real need to use soil instead of hydro... i was just looking for an opinion.... and since we are back on it.... since you are using hydro and are a slacker (see dust ) what are your thoughts on it... is it a lot of work or no big deal?
looking at your recent pics again... i bet if you just put a ceiling in and exhausted above it your temps in the grow area would drop dramatically. i mean have the ceiling hang about where your mylar stops.
looking really good though! this "n00b" setup flat out blows away a few "pro" ops i have seen over the years!
as for temps on the HID's... two words: cool tube.
you simply would not believe the difference they make!
also, when you break down the big area to smaller ones with walls, you can control the temps a lot better... pull cool air from a cool and low area, dump the hot air somewhere high and far away. my shabby little flower area actually stays a couple degrees cooler than the outer room that it is in just from active exhaust and passive intakes and a bit of a ghetto cool tube setup i put on my CFL racks. and you can do things like put the ballasts outside the grow area so that the ambient temperature isnt effected.
i just found out today that the Missus will let me use a real honest to goodness closet, so i will be going back to HID MUCH sooner than i thought! YAY! the particular closet is built around an old and unused chimney in the house too.... good bye evil hot air!
oh, and for the record, i had read your thread well enough to know you basically won the grower's lottery on equipment, i just missed that you got the hydro gear too... no real need to use soil instead of hydro... i was just looking for an opinion.... and since we are back on it.... since you are using hydro and are a slacker (see dust
) what are your thoughts on it... is it a lot of work or no big deal?looking at your recent pics again... i bet if you just put a ceiling in and exhausted above it your temps in the grow area would drop dramatically. i mean have the ceiling hang about where your mylar stops.
looking really good though! this "n00b" setup flat out blows away a few "pro" ops i have seen over the years!
hothousemary
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Thanks for good vibes man! the thing that worrys me the most with what you have said is my exhaust... while I have more than enough I put it in a bad place for the changes I have made since... plus its like 91 outside now so I struggle with heat. Ive been lucky in that I have been in situation where I acquire seeds from hi grade bud, only because large amounts came and went my way.. Ive since ended that bit work.. I let a good while pass before I started this project.. Sooo I have a ton of pretty good seed... and the bud it came from produced very lil seed.. maybe 2-4 per lb.. more others some only one... so with that in mind I am going to use a squirl cage fan that I have to pull from a cool spot in the room and split the flow to the lights with two small dryer vent ducts.... soon as I figure out how I wanna do it Ill post pics.. But as soon as I harvest this I am going to rip down the whole operation and rebuild to what I have learned.... After i put the hps up I found a mh bulb I am assuming that these ballast are switchable since they came with that bulb.. haven't gone as far as to plug it in and test it... don't know the consequence if its not wrong.. blow up???? just not work?? ruin ballast?? but I will use that along with the cfl next veg..i am not surprised to see that you actually have my points already covered... very solid grow you have going! i am impressed for a n00b run, it is VERY good!
as for temps on the HID's... two words: cool tube.
you simply would not believe the difference they make!
also, when you break down the big area to smaller ones with walls, you can control the temps a lot better... pull cool air from a cool and low area, dump the hot air somewhere high and far away. my shabby little flower area actually stays a couple degrees cooler than the outer room that it is in just from active exhaust and passive intakes and a bit of a ghetto cool tube setup i put on my CFL racks. and you can do things like put the ballasts outside the grow area so that the ambient temperature isnt effected.
i just found out today that the Missus will let me use a real honest to goodness closet, so i will be going back to HID MUCH sooner than i thought! YAY! the particular closet is built around an old and unused chimney in the house too.... good bye evil hot air!
The reason I want to grow soil is that a ton of people I respect have shared your opinion that soil is the best! Now that I have a chance to truly test that theory I will... Im expecting the soil to be better in flavor if nothing else but Im going to enjoy the experiment..
as far as the amount of work that I have to put in. I really think that once I settle on a set up that I like it wont be much work at all..... And Ive been enjoying it..... Just shows a pot head slacker can be one motivated mutha fucker with the proper motivation!!@
oh, and for the record, i had read your thread well enough to know you basically won the grower's lottery on equipment, i just missed that you got the hydro gear too... no real need to use soil instead of hydro... i was just looking for an opinion.... and since we are back on it.... since you are using hydro and are a slacker (see dust
looking at your recent pics again... i bet if you just put a ceiling in and exhausted above it your temps in the grow area would drop dramatically. i mean have the ceiling hang about where your mylar stops.
looking really good though! this "n00b" setup flat out blows away a few "pro" ops i have seen over the years!
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yes, they can explode.... they usually just die.... but.... Russian roulette never seemed to have good odds for me
in my experience, MH kicks ass for veg... using MH and HPS on a light mover for flowering hit the spot
with the temps up to 91 outside (better you than me!) what are the temps like around the plants?
in my experience, MH kicks ass for veg... using MH and HPS on a light mover for flowering hit the spot
with the temps up to 91 outside (better you than me!) what are the temps like around the plants?
GrnMan
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If it is a switchable ballast, it will more then likely have a "switch" on it somewhere to change from MH or HPS.
If it's a digital ballast, I don't think there is a "switch", they are setup to run both of them already I believe.
hothousemary
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Ok so after reading r+d last post i got to work and changed the rez..
5th day flowering
ppm before run off is 778 after hour or so runoff brings it to 801
ph is 5.7 before 5.9 after.. should I use my ph down here?
10 gal distilled water.. *Im getting a fucking osmosis filter as soon as I can*
high temp 88 present top of canopy 88 bottom of canopy 87.. hottest part of day as well.
low 77
humidity max 64
low 51
present 5.8
largest plant is 24in with 11 nodes....
How long before I should be able to tell sex.... seems like from what I have read 7 days is what I should expect... but i think I may be seeing the formation of some lil man nuggets.... Im sure its too early to tell but hate the wait!
now for my skinimax style soft port... for the hardstuff ya gotta check the dirt bag or grn...
I think that is nute burn.... what causes the ppm to jump up so much? it was 804 5 days ago??
I also sprayed down the leaves with water and the with with sparkling water... checked label this time round...
5th day flowering
ppm before run off is 778 after hour or so runoff brings it to 801
ph is 5.7 before 5.9 after.. should I use my ph down here?
10 gal distilled water.. *Im getting a fucking osmosis filter as soon as I can*
high temp 88 present top of canopy 88 bottom of canopy 87.. hottest part of day as well.
low 77
humidity max 64
low 51
present 5.8
largest plant is 24in with 11 nodes....
How long before I should be able to tell sex.... seems like from what I have read 7 days is what I should expect... but i think I may be seeing the formation of some lil man nuggets.... Im sure its too early to tell but hate the wait!
now for my skinimax style soft port... for the hardstuff ya gotta check the dirt bag or grn...
I think that is nute burn.... what causes the ppm to jump up so much? it was 804 5 days ago??
I also sprayed down the leaves with water and the with with sparkling water... checked label this time round...
hothousemary
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cool.. Thanks for the time frame...
hothousemary
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the largest has 11 nodes... I took a pic but its blury as hell.... I have 10 mega pixal camrea but it has auto focus and I cant seem to get a good close up... damn cam cost me a bundle to.... probably can done with it but I cant seem to figure that one out...
cant advise you really on the pH since it is hydro... but it sure sounds right to me (hydro wants lower pH than soil, right?)
those temps get a bit warmer than would make me happy, not horrid though, so it might be fine... getting the cO2 tank running though would take some (maybe enough) of the edge off.... your plants only seem to think it is a little warm (slightly upward curling leaves) so it may be ok.
sexing on my last two batches (checked my notes) took 10 and 14 days, respectively. by my reference material i used for them, 15 days was expected. (one of Garden Knowm's books).
yeah, that looks like some nute burn going on... not too bad though, so i would just concentrate on getting the nutes right rather than chasing the problem... get it stabilized and things should, er, stabilize
and reading the label is always good
so um, why so few plants?
those temps get a bit warmer than would make me happy, not horrid though, so it might be fine... getting the cO2 tank running though would take some (maybe enough) of the edge off.... your plants only seem to think it is a little warm (slightly upward curling leaves) so it may be ok.
sexing on my last two batches (checked my notes) took 10 and 14 days, respectively. by my reference material i used for them, 15 days was expected. (one of Garden Knowm's books).
yeah, that looks like some nute burn going on... not too bad though, so i would just concentrate on getting the nutes right rather than chasing the problem... get it stabilized and things should, er, stabilize
and reading the label is always good
so um, why so few plants?
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hothousemary
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Im gonna quit referring to you as grnman and call ya teddy tech! I checked my camera and couldn't find a setting for digital macro.. could it be called something else?
GrnMan
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lol..hmm..what model camera do you have? It could be called macro or something of that nature. Look for something that has a flower on it. Sometimes these camera manufacturers use that as a symbol for that function.
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hothousemary
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cant advise you really on the pH since it is hydro... but it sure sounds right to me (hydro wants lower pH than soil, right?)
those temps get a bit warmer than would make me happy, not horrid though, so it might be fine... getting the cO2 tank running though would take some (maybe enough) of the edge off.... your plants only seem to think it is a little warm (slightly upward curling leaves) so it may be ok.
sexing on my last two batches (checked my notes) took 10 and 14 days, respectively. by my reference material i used for them, 15 days was expected. (one of Garden Knowm's books).
yeah, that looks like some nute burn going on... not too bad though, so i would just concentrate on getting the nutes right rather than chasing the problem... get it stabilized and things should, er, stabilize
and reading the label is always good
so um, why so few plants?
honestly only 5 because I didn't know what I was doing and I new it so i didn't want to get in over my head.. Im glad that is what I have though.. barley enough room in the tray for those 5.. plus the manifold I have for the drip system only has 6 outlets...
Yup ive got the ppm down and im gonna see what happens.. happened once before and grnman helped me get it under control.. Im expecting them to be fine..
Hopefully when I figure out my next lil fan Ill give some relief to the heat.
hothousemary
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its a hp photosmart R960....
no flower either... I remember seeing that setting on another camera I had....