Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

[Doer]

I told a person earlier in real life thaf if he didn't stop annoying me I'd pull his stupid looking ears off.

Speak for yourself bro, you might pretend to like people in real life, I'd rather be blunt as fuck.

Diplomacy is only useful when you gain something from it

It kinda grows on ya....

 

[Doer]

Don't give us a diatribe on the end of the world.....talk about a waste of time, go find somewhere where you are even more irrelevant. The sad thing about a mind like yours is that inside you can see an intellect too lazy to let itself own the present or an ego so expansive it consumes its' audience because they almost admire the gall it takes. Regardless, the combination is powerful and I hope it serves you and the people who can care about you better than this. I don't know what you are about, just negate someone else, better yet show us what you got.

Well, I'm very glad to waste your time....and I read this very closely, I really did. I have no idea what you are talking about. And, how you can have a personal opinion of me through what I have written in this various forum?

But, ignorance is bliss as they say. So, try not to explain. I've said many times NOW is all there is. So, you can go play in traffic?

But, still, None of what you just said makes any sense, even sentence by sentence. I read it twice, so as not to waste my time. Just seems to me you lack the manners you would show in person.

Instead of bathing me in the warrnth of your personal regard, why not reply to my disdain of this Earth Mother nonsense?

You are showing hubbub and disorder, while I remain disciplined and calm.

 

[Dr Kynes]

hmm interesting. I was kind of on the side of not letting this shit get in the wild but you make great points. Hell Weed is a ummmm weed, and it barely grows in my yard. lol

cannabis is not a GMO anyhow since it is not a cash crop. no company can even attempt to sell GMO weed seeds in america save by the underground, and DJ Short and the Amsterdam Weed Breeder Collectives arent Monsanto.

weed is Kinda-Sorta-Not-Quite-Banned based on the entire species, not individual cultivars or varieties. i couldnt legally grow GM weed any more than i could grow cocaine, not even if i planted the new variety "La Millionaira"

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.11/columbia.html?pg=1&topic=columbia&topic_set=

(read this shit. it's fascinating, apparently Columbian Coca Growers have created their own Roundup Ready coca plant)

 

[Doer]

I don't know if Doer has the fight for this one...

May I have a stick...oh about 4 ft long?

 

[Figong]

cannabis is not a GMO anyhow since it is not a cash crop. no company can even attempt to sell GMO weed seeds in america save by the underground, and DJ Short and the Amsterdam Weed Breeder Collectives arent Monsanto.

weed is Kinda-Sorta-Not-Quite-Banned based on the entire species, not individual cultivars or varieties. i couldnt legally grow GM weed any more than i could grow cocaine, not even if i planted the new variety "La Millionaira"

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.11/columbia.html?pg=1&topic=columbia&topic_set=

(read this shit. it's fascinating, apparently Columbian Coca Growers have created their own Roundup Ready coca plant)

That's pretty crazy shit re: the coco plant! Monsanto isn't who I'm worried about in the big picture, am more worried about those already in the Pharma market like Bayer, or chem-based like Dupont... with some of their tests going back to the early 90's.. the chart below is pretty self-explanatory as to why I may be a bit worried.

Alfalfa	Monsanto	Resist glyphosate herbicide to control weeds	Bacteria, virus	Roundup Ready 2005
Canola	Bayer	Resist glufosinate herbicide to control weeds	Bacteria, virus	LibertyLink 2000
Canola	Monsanto	Resist glyphosate herbicide to control weeds	Arabidopsis, bacteria, virus	Roundup Ready 1999
Canola	Monsanto	Altered oil (high lauric acid) for soap and food products	Calif bay, turnip rape, bacteria, virus	Laurical 1995
Canola	Bayer	Male sterile to facilitate hybridization; resist glufosinate herbicide to control weeds	Bacteria	SeedLink 2000
Chicory (radicchio)	Bejo Zaden	Male sterile to facilitate hybridization	Bacteria	SeedLink 1997
Corn	Bayer	Resist glufosinate herbicide to control weeds/male sterile to facilitate hybridization	Bacteria, virus	SeedLink Date unknown
Corn	Bayer	Resist glufosinate herbicide to control weeds	Bacteria, virus	LibertyLink Date unknown
Corn	Bayer	Resist glufosinate herbicide to control weeds/Bt toxin to control insect pests (European corn borer)	Bacteria, virus	StarLink 1998 (approved only for animal feed)
Corn	Dow/Mycogen	Bt toxin to control insect pests (European corn borer)	Corn, bacteria, virus	NatureGard 1995
Corn ​	Dow/Mycogen​	Bt toxin to control insect pests (corn rootworm)/Resist glufosinate herbicide​	Bacteria, virus​	Herculex Rootworm 2005​
Corn	Dow/Mycogen DuPont/Pioneer	Resist glufosinate herbicide to control weeds/Bt toxin to control insect pests (Lepidopteran)	Corn, bacteria, virus	Herculex I 2001
Corn	DuPont/Pioneer	Male sterile to facilitate hybridization	Potato, corn, bacteria, virus	Name unknown 1998
Corn	Monsanto/ DeKalb	Bt toxin to control insect pests (European corn borer)	Bacteria	Bt-Xtra 1997
Corn	Monsanto/ DeKalb	Resist glufosinate herbicide to control weeds	Bacteria, virus	Name, date unknown
Corn	Monsanto	Bt toxin to control insect pests (European corn borer)	Bacteria	YieldGard 1996
Corn	Monsanto	Resist glyphosate herbicide to control weeds/Bt toxin to control insect pests (European corn borer)	Arabidopsis, bacteria, virus	Name unknown 1998
Corn ​	Monsanto​	Resist glyphosate herbicide to control weeds/Bt toxin to control insect pests (corn rootworm)​	Bacteria​	Name unknown 2006​
Corn	Monsanto	Resist glyphosate herbicide to control weeds	Arabidopsis, bacteria, virus	Roundup Ready 1998
Corn ​	Renessen (Monsanto and Cargill)​	Higher levels of lysine to enhance animal feed​	Bacteria​	Mavera High Value Corn with Lysine 2006​
Corn ​	Syngenta	Bt toxin to control insect pests (European corn borer)	Bacteria	Bt11 1996
Corn	Syngenta	Bt toxin to control insect pests (European corn borer)	Corn, bacteria, virus	Knock Out 1995
Corn ​	Syngenta​	Bt toxin to control insect pests (corn rootworm)​	Bacteria​	Name unknown 2007​
Corn (pop)	Syngenta	Bt toxin to control insect pests (European corn borer)	Corn, bacteria, virus	Knock Out 1998
Corn (sweet)	Syngenta	Bt toxin to control insect pests (European corn borer)	Bacteria	Bt11 1998
Cotton ​	Bayer/Aventis​	Resist glufosinate herbicide to control weeds​	Virus​	Name unknown 2003​
Cotton	Monsanto/ Bayer	Resist bromoxynil herbicide to control weeds/Bt toxin to control insect pests (cotton bollworms and tobacco budworm)	Bacteria	Name unknown 1998
Cotton	Monsanto/ Bayer	Resist bromoxynil herbicide to control weeds	Bacteria, virus	BXN Cotton 1995
Cotton	Monsanto	Bt toxin to control insect pests (cotton bollworms and tobacco budworm)	Bacteria	Bollgard 1995
Cotton	Monsanto	Resist glyphosate herbicide to control weeds	Arabidopsis, bacteria, virus	Roundup Ready 1996
Cotton​	Mycogen/Dow​	Bt toxin to control insect pests/Resist glufosinate herbicide to control weeds​	Bacteria, virus​	Bollgard II 2002​
Cotton​	Mycogen/Dow​	Bt toxin to control insect pests/Resist glufosinate herbicide to control weeds​	Bacteria, virus​	HerculexT I 2001​
Flax	Univ Saskatchewan	Resist sulfonylurea herbicide to grow in soils with herbicide residues	Arabidopsis, bacteria	CDC Triffid 1999
Papaya	Cornell Univ/ Univ Hawaii	Resist papaya ringspot virus	Bacteria, virus	Sunup, Rainbow 1997
Potato	Monsanto	Bt toxin to control insect pests (Colorado potato beetle)	Bacteria	NewLeaf 1995
Potato	Monsanto	Bt toxin to control insect pests (Colorado potato beetle)/resist potato virus Y	Bacteria, virus	NewLeaf Y 1999
Potato	Monsanto	Bt toxin to control insect pests (Colorado potato beetle)/resist potato leafroll virus	Bacteria, virus	NewLeaf Plus 1998
Rice ​	Bayer​	Resist glufosinate herbicide to control weeds​	Bacteria, virus​	LibertyLink 2004​
Soybean	Bayer	Resist glufosinate herbicide to control weeds	Bacteria, virus	Name unknown 1998
Soybean	DuPont	Altered oil (high oleic acid) to increase stability, reduce polyunsaturated fatty acids	Soybean, bean, bacteria, virus	Name unknown 1997
Soybean	Monsanto	Resist glyphosate herbicide to control weeds	Petunia, soybean, bacteria, virus	Roundup Ready 1995
Squash	Seminis Vegetable Seed	Resist watermelon mosaic 2 and zucchini yellow mosaic viruses	Bacteria, virus	Freedom II 1995
Squash	Seminis Vegetable Seed	Resist watermelon mosaic 2, zucchini yellow mosaic, cucumber mosaic viruses	Bacteria, virus	Name unknown 1997
Sugarbeet	Bayer	Resist glufosinate herbicide to control weeds	Bacteria, virus	Name unknown 2000
Sugarbeet	Monsanto/ Syngenta	Resist glyphosate herbicide to control weeds	Bacteria, virus	Name unknown 1999
Tomato (cherry)	Agritope	Altered ripening to enhance fresh market value	Bacteria	Name unknown 1996
Tomato	DNA Plant Technology	Altered ripening to enhance fresh market value	Tomato, bacteria, virus	Endless Summer 1995
Tomato	Monsanto/ Calgene	Altered ripening to enhance fresh market value	Tomato, bacteria, virus	FlavrSavr 1994
Tomato	Monsanto	Altered ripening to enhance fresh market value	Bacteria	Name unknown 1995
Tomato	Zeneca/ PetoSeed	Thicker skin and altered pectin to enhance processing value	Tomato, bacteria, virus	Name unknown 1995

 

[roseypeach]

two words HELL NO!

The idea of GMO seeds, corn, whatever, I refuse to use. I don't want anything that mother nature didn't put together her damn self. A TRUE GMO HATER here!

 

[Dr Kynes]

two words HELL NO!

The idea of GMO seeds, corn, whatever, I refuse to use. I don't want anything that mother nature didn't put together her damn self. A TRUE GMO HATER here!

what about forced hybrids and forced mutation crops?

those are unnatural, and cannot exist without human artifice as well.

 

[Figong]

what about forced hybrids and forced mutation crops?

those are unnatural, and cannot exist without human artifice as well.

Agreed, saw a few fruit trees in the 4seasons nursery catalog yesterday that when in bloom, produce 5 or 6 different types of fruit on 1 tree.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Agreed, saw a few fruit trees in the 4seasons nursery catalog yesterday that when in bloom, produce 5 or 6 different types of fruit on 1 tree.

those are grafted, even the craziest frootloops cant argue against grafting.

 

[Figong]

those are grafted, even the craziest frootloops cant argue against grafting.

The tree was a seedling, didn't see any graft wounds/scars in the pic - must look closer. I was wondering of someone actually had the time/drive and re-built it from the ground up given that it's almost 50 bucks for 1 sapling.

 

[Doer]

Agreed, saw a few fruit trees in the 4seasons nursery catalog yesterday that when in bloom, produce 5 or 6 different types of fruit on 1 tree.

....not that there is anything wrong with that....

 

[Figong]

....not that there is anything wrong with that....

Agreed, I see no issue with that at all.

 

[Doer]

So, seriously. I think this is just right around the corner. Where are you on bat ears? Or dog snout on young adults?

EDit (i read too much si fi)

 

[Dr Kynes]

The tree was a seedling, didn't see any graft wounds/scars in the pic - must look closer. I was wondering of someone actually had the time/drive and re-built it from the ground up given that it's almost 50 bucks for 1 sapling.

hmmm

i would double check.

a common ploy at nurseries is to pull the tag and stake from a more expensive plant and replace it with a much cheaper variety of similar size or description

you may hve see a 5 way graft tree tag on a standard single graft seedling, but all commercially available apple trees are grafted at least once, for desirable fruit wood on sturdy rootstock. (in fact almost all fruiting perennials are grafted)

edit:

upon review you said it was in a catalog. that make sit even easier to explain, catalogs always show an idealized image as a representation. even if the image has no bearing on the tree at question.
my mum had a 5 way grafted apple tree for several years (before she brutally killed it by making me transplant it 5 times in one year, no joke) and you could totally see where the root stock was grafted with the differing varieties for each limb.

 

[Doer]

Well, grafting is hardly gm.

 

[burgertime2010]

Well, I'm very glad to waste your time....and I read this very closely, I really did. I have no idea what you are talking about. And, how you can have a personal opinion of me through what I have written in this various forum? But, ignorance is bliss as they say. So, try not to explain. I've said many times NOW is all there is. So, you can go play in traffic? But, still, None of what you just said makes any sense, even sentence by sentence. I read it twice, so as not to waste my time. Just seems to me you lack the manners you would show in person. Instead of bathing me in the warrnth of your personal regard, why not reply to my disdain of this Earth Mother nonsense? You are showing hubbub and disorder, while I remain disciplined and calm.

Sitting in judgement mocking, hijacking a dialogue and injecting your plaigarism, you are not Sun-Tzu and those are poor manners too. You are irrelevant in this case...deal with it. It takes balls to pontificate as you do about panic and death and unknowable truth without humility. The "calmer than you are" approach. Leave the dialogue alone unless you have an original thought....empathize...we have to deal with you not, the other way around. Your horse is dead and your sword is dull, Mother Earths' severed head shares your pillow while you sleep blissfully, none the wiser. Bliss is not me, I am hubbub and disorder. Leave well enough alone, you got nothing on me.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Sitting in judgement mocking, hijacking a dialogue and injecting your plaigarism, you are not Sun-Tzu and those are poor manners too. You are irrelevant in this case...deal with it. It takes balls to pontificate as you do about panic and death and unknowable truth without humility. The "calmer than you are" approach. Leave the dialogue alone unless you have an original thought....empathize...we have to deal with you not, the other way around. Your horse is dead and your sword is dull, Mother Earths' severed head shares your pillow while you sleep blissfully, none the wiser. Bliss is not me, I am hubbub and disorder. Leave well enough alone, you got nothing on me.

is that the new Tupac?

its beautiful prose.

 

[Doer]

Sitting in judgement mocking, hijacking a dialogue and injecting your plaigarism, you are not Sun-Tzu and those are poor manners too. You are irrelevant in this case...deal with it. It takes balls to pontificate as you do about panic and death and unknowable truth without humility. The "calmer than you are" approach. Leave the dialogue alone unless you have an original thought....empathize...we have to deal with you not, the other way around. Your horse is dead and your sword is dull, Mother Earths' severed head shares your pillow while you sleep blissfully, none the wiser. Bliss is not me, I am hubbub and disorder. Leave well enough alone, you got nothing on me.

Kinda with a back beat, right? UH hu...UH hu... Like that?

Boy, that was a raw nerve about that space rock I guess.

"Subtle and insubstantial, the expert leaves no trace; divinely mysterious, he is inaudible. Thus he is master of his enemy's fate."

(guess who?) Sun Tsu

I kinda liked that horse, too.

 

[burgertime2010]

Kinda with a back beat, right? UH hu...UH hu... Like that? Boy, that was a raw nerve about that space rock I guess. "Subtle and insubstantial, the expert leaves no trace; divinely mysterious, he is inaudible. Thus he is master of his enemy's fate." (guess who?) Sun Tsu I kinda liked that horse, too.

Meet her halfway to 2029.

 

[Doer]

Bucephalus. The horse's name was Bucephalus. Dead now, thanks to you.

So what is this gibber-jabber anyhow, Mayan Apocalyptic Modern?

The big rock, come from Sky. Many flee, many die.

This doesn't seem real to you, does it?

Mother would never doom her childern with her Right to be in the way?
It could never happen in your lifetime, we hope.

And, uh, aren't you kinda bossing me around a bit? Do this? Do that?

Do you think I will? Or not? Or is it salvia?