My first class with the golden teacher

MJG420

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Hopefully here in the next couple I will be right there with you guys! The anticipation is KILLING ME!!!! This also brings up a good question I have, is it alright when checking my jars to move my corn/verm mixture around to uncover anything perhaps not along the side of the jar? Considering starting another set of backup jars just in case these don't pan out.
 

canndo

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Nice growth acid.

Thanks poly.

So after fruiting could I steep/ sit the myc. in water, filter, evaporate, and then wash with ethanol? I imagine there would still be things from the grain that are soluble in both water and ethanol but is that bad other than being less pure end product than other methods? Would this be a reasonable way to get a dose-able solution?

I want do the ethanol extraction on fruits/ stones, it seems to be a great way to measure doses and to reduce and store material. I also just want to see the pure compound since I can pretty easily; it'll be fun like making hash oil. Hooray for extractions!

Well good luck, no home chemist I have ever read about or talked to has managed to isolate the pure or protopure active chemical. My experiments yield a sickly yellow paste that is far more potent than anything else around but I doubt it is more than about 30 percent pure - AND in order to preserve it, it must be mixed with an antioxidant which will dilute that purity. Methanol seems to be the solvent of choice
 

technical dan

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Ok, I do not have much experience with home chemistry so I doubt that I would achieve your ~30% purity, but I still want to make a psychedelic solution. Would it be stable to store to an ethanol solution in the freezer, or to store a supersaturated (via evaporation) solution in the freezer? This is one method others have used so I guess I would like to hear your take on it.

Yes methanol seemed to be what the serious/ experienced people used I would like to do at least the first one with ethanol since it is readily available consumable, and I already have some.
 

canndo

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I think you would be able to get to that purity with about any solvent. If evertything is cracker dry and your solvents are dry as well you want to prewash your mushroom powder with something that does not dissolve your target component. Mushrooms have fats and esters (?) and protiens and all sorts of things in them. Many of these things will dissolve in both your specific solvent and your nonspecific solvent so you want to wash as much of that crap from your product as possible. I don't remember which is the best - petrolium either maybe? It is a tough research because everyone has a different approach and even A. Shilgin winds up being wrong (about a precipitate being the target substance when in fact it is not). Anyway, after you have filtered that and tossed the solvent, and dried your materiel you can wash it with methanol - methanol without water, and get a yellow gum or tar like substance. It is not very stable and of course the strength can vary but if you mix that gum up with ascorbic acid and keep the mixture in the freezer it will last some amount of time.


I once did this with 91 percent rubbing alcohol and mixed the resulting almost orange gum (one would have thought there to be some blue in there somewhere), with flour. The resulting pills were a huge hit. I figure each pill was in the 15 - 20 mg range, no stomach cramps, no confusion. The ones I had left over I put in the freezer and when
I took them out to distribute them again, they were a shadow of their former selves, perhaps a third the potency. there is much to be learned about this sort of extraction and the results, when done right are far superior to the mushroom itself, without the nausea, the frenetic energy, the confusion and the stomach discomfort (contrary to mescaline which, no matter how pure, will still impart cramps and nausea).
 

technical dan

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Ok thank you for that explanation and the great amounts of info you have provided for this thread. I had read Shilgin's response to someone where the precipitate was said to be the target and I had been going with that understanding thanks for straightening that out.

I will probably asking for your knowledge again once I am (about to be) preforming the extraction.
 

polyarcturus

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i reuse all my jars, wash with hot water and soap, dry, clean with iso, fill with substrate PC. never had a contam i could trace back to the PC. always a dirty needle or infected culture, or left jar open too long for me.
 

Thundercat

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I don't see the need to process things like all that. Its a beautiful natural thing in its natural state, why start screwing with it and washing it with solvents and shit. I'm not a fan of BHO for the same reason. I get more then high enough smoking regular weed, eating mostly organic edibles. With mushrooms I feel like its disrespectful to the mushroom to abuse it like that. As far as the no nausea, cramps, or confusion. I find all those things to be very subjective. I've had and not had nausea off the same shrooms, and I find confusion to be very strain specific. The Koh Samoi that I liked so much did carry a mental weight that could leave you confused. The South Americans were very visual and didn't have hardly any "mind fuck". The russian Ereals I grew were an awesome mix of both.
 

canndo

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I don't see the need to process things like all that. Its a beautiful natural thing in its natural state, why start screwing with it and washing it with solvents and shit. I'm not a fan of BHO for the same reason. I get more then high enough smoking regular weed, eating mostly organic edibles. With mushrooms I feel like its disrespectful to the mushroom to abuse it like that. As far as the no nausea, cramps, or confusion. I find all those things to be very subjective. I've had and not had nausea off the same shrooms, and I find confusion to be very strain specific. The Koh Samoi that I liked so much did carry a mental weight that could leave you confused. The South Americans were very visual and didn't have hardly any "mind fuck". The russian Ereals I grew were an awesome mix of both.

Ah - what you say is true, that it may well be an insult to the organism to reduce those lovely fruit to a mush in order to extract it's esscence On the other hand, there are some who will not take this sacrament at all if they might be subject to extreme discomfort (and i don't mean taste). Now would the mushroom object to this if it were the only way?

I have done many extractions but only on the leavings, the dust and particles that cling to the picked mushrooms - it is an eaiser job, it does not violate my code and I think it might just help folks.
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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so i took my 1 fully colonized jar and cased it in pure verm...brought it up to 170 for at least 39 min and brought up to field moisture...then spread the corn around in it and pressed down. its in a throw away pan lined with a black bag and back in the incubator,

will be using straw but i wanted to test this verm tek and i had one jar starting to sweat so i just did it.

my food processor dosent make the straw into a pawder but it does do a good job of shredding it, i fig about 3 hours of processsing straw i will be gtg to pasturize and case my last 7 jars
 

technical dan

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I am planning to eat the fruits before messing with extractions. I have not been overly uncomfortable from when I have eaten shrooms and I don't mind the taste but I would see/ try this method at least once to see how it is. With weed I get/ appreciate the different highs from flower and oil. I also like to keep oil around for when I hurt myself, it's great for pain relief far more effective than herb IMO. At this time as I have said I would like to try an extraction, but this could change after watching and living with the organism. I can see your points especially how it disrespects the organism I agree (to a degree) that it does, the modification/ processing does fundamentally alter the resulting substance away from the life that created it and thus the extract is not equivalent to the natural form. It is not respectful to the organism since you(I) are altering it rather than accepting it as is. But I also see (at this time) value in extracts.
 

Lothario

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You will be shooting yourself in the foot if you do not case. I know what they say, that casing is optional and that you will get the same results but, frankly, they are wrong, I have posted some pictures and I defy anyone to match those canopies without casing, and the yields are commensurate with the canopy.

There are a host of reasons to case and only a few not to - one being laziness.

Are you serious??? Casing layer is completely unnecessary and obsolete for cubes.
 

aCiDjEsUs

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So upon closer inspection of the jars from the first batch I noticed that right under the inoculation point the substrate looked like it's "wet", I tried to take a picture and I don't if you guys can see anything in those pictures, rest of the substrate looked ok like a it should no contaminations or any other nasties. I was just wondering about that patch of substrate looking kinda wet. Any of you guys have seen anything like this before?

Ok here are two best pictures IMAG0770.jpgIMAG0771.jpg

Plus I got 5 more jars cooling down right now so I can knock them up in the morning.
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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i say just toss em man....if they were your last hope then i would say give em some more time but where you have more jars cooling and some already colonizing i would say its safer to just ditch em.
 

aCiDjEsUs

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I think that "wet" looking substrate around inoculation points was/is a contamination, I got same thing going in few of my jars from the second batch, jars from the second batch with "wet" looking substrate are not showing any signs of life, and when I take a whiff around the injection points it smells "strange" plus those jars with "wet" looking substrate have some congestion on the inside walls, looks like little droplets of water but they're tiny.

So I'll just wait for an opinion from more experience growers ;)
 

Thundercat

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I tend to agree it doesn't look right to me. I'm not sure if its actual contram growth, or moisture released from a contam we can't see yet.
 

aCiDjEsUs

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I tend to agree it doesn't look right to me. I'm not sure if its actual contram growth, or moisture released from a contam we can't see yet.
Thunder, you think I should keep the jars and keep an eye on it? rite now I got them in my "incubator" tote with the rest of the jars or should I just set them aside?
 

Thundercat

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I'd set them aside watch them a few more days, and then toss them. Don't open them either way incase it is a contam.
 
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