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guerrilla medic
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dana is alot of things, but at least he makes an effort to give the fans the fights they want to see. hunt vs jds just made too much sense not to do it. once jds realizes he cant hurt hunt standing up, to the ground they'll go. jds by 3rd round stoppage ground and pound. i wish they would sign a no take down clause!!!
Marla 420
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I don't agree, If that was the case we would have seen Hunt/JDS before when Reem got caught and they needed someone to step up. Mir and Hunt both had 3 fight win streaks, everyone was clamoring for Hunt since it would be a slugfest. Dana gave it to Mir in a one sided anti climactic Beat-down (We all knew this was gonna happen). The only reason this fight is happening is because the fans put their foot down on this and Dana had nowhere else to go with this fight. No one at HW was on a win streak and I bet if someone else was then that other person would have gotten the shot at JDS. Dana also gets alot of credit for MMA/UFC, but the one thing that saved the company THe Ulitmate FIghter Dana was against. He didn't want that show to happen but the Ferttitas said we are overruling you and doing it. I think the sport could have gone further faster with another president. With his Fuck you attitude and whiny crybaby rants. It's hard for professionals to take him serious. Vince Mcmann can be as retarded as he wants, WWE is fake. MMA is a real sport and needs a real pres. That's my 2 cents at least.
Padawanbater2
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It sounds like you've got a grudge against White
From what I've seen of the guy, he's a pretty decent dude, usually even if he doesn't like you as a person. The only time I've really ever seen him inject his personal feelings into a business situation was when Paul Daley threw a cheap shot at Koscheck, and that was completely justified.
Did you see him on Joe Rogans podcast?
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From what I've seen of the guy, he's a pretty decent dude, usually even if he doesn't like you as a person. The only time I've really ever seen him inject his personal feelings into a business situation was when Paul Daley threw a cheap shot at Koscheck, and that was completely justified.
Did you see him on Joe Rogans podcast?
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doowmd
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I'd like some sort of reference for where "Dana was against T.U.F." .
Seems like he's been one of the biggest voices behind the show and it's promotion since it's beginning.
Who could forget the first "So you wanna be a fuckin fighter" speech?
I'll admit DFW lies at times, or seems to have lied when things turn out differently than what he's tweeted or told the media. But he is a business man first and foremost. Sometimes a little white lie or stretching the truth is justifiable if it's means to an end. Did Mark Hunt turn down the JDS fight at first, or did he turn down the money he was offered at first (*to save an upcoming ppv*)? I'd guess the latter, DFW used the ol' "Hunt turned down the fight" trick to get the S.S. to accept something close to what he was first offered to step in.
Seems like he's been one of the biggest voices behind the show and it's promotion since it's beginning.
Who could forget the first "So you wanna be a fuckin fighter" speech?
I'll admit DFW lies at times, or seems to have lied when things turn out differently than what he's tweeted or told the media. But he is a business man first and foremost. Sometimes a little white lie or stretching the truth is justifiable if it's means to an end. Did Mark Hunt turn down the JDS fight at first, or did he turn down the money he was offered at first (*to save an upcoming ppv*)? I'd guess the latter, DFW used the ol' "Hunt turned down the fight" trick to get the S.S. to accept something close to what he was first offered to step in.
guerrilla medic
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you have an above average knowledge of mma and i agree with most of what you post....but on this one we'll have to agree to disagree. i think dana is full of shit at times but ultimately good for the sport.
Corso312
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Dana is a fucking turd..he wants the ufc to be like wwe n himself as McMahon. Neither all the fake drama n maybe him n Tito can pretend like they are gonna scrap again.lmao what a lame ass stunt that was.
Fans want Jones/Silva. Dana has failed to deliver
Dana gave that pretender lesnar 4 title shots in 5 career fights.
Fans want Jones/Silva. Dana has failed to deliver
Dana gave that pretender lesnar 4 title shots in 5 career fights.
guerrilla medic
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lesnar was the biggest draw the ufc ever had. pretty smart to get him high profile fights from a business standpoint. silva does not want to fight jones (or weidman for that matter) but dw got the weidman fight booked. thats a fight fans want to see. he may be a turd, but he's a good businessman and is passionate about mma. he does not strike me as anything similar to vince mcMahon.
Padawanbater2
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How is getting all of Lesnar's fans from the WWE interested in MMA and the UFC bad for the sport? That was a brilliant business decision.
guerrilla medic
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^it WAS brilliant....also, no offense corso but any knowledgeable mma fan should know that lesnar was no joke, in college he was a two time D1 all american and the 2000 ncaa champion. hes a phenomenal athlete, cain and overeem were just deadlier. im not even a brock fan honestly but those are just facts.
Padawanbater2
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http://www.mma-manifesto.com/ufc-ppv-data/top-selling-ufc-ppvs-of-all-time.html
People who stir up controversy can talk themselves into title contention (Nick Diaz, Chael Sonnen), it causes the fanbase to want to see the fight, so the organization sets them up, the exact same reason they have prefight press conferences, to stir up the fans. Every UFC fan knows they do this.. I didn't say it's right, and I actually think they should go by a more strict method of ratings and the number 1 guy should always be fighting against the number 2 guy, but that's just not the reality of the business.
Early on, this stuff was a goldmine for the UFC, especially Lesnar. TUF and Brock Lesnar are a big reason the UFC is what it is today. I'm glad he fought because it boosted the interest of the entire sport, with that you get better fighters, meaning, better fights.
Why don't you complain the same way about Diaz? Do you think he deserves a title shot against GSP? I don't, but he talked his way into the position. Chael never deserved those title shots against Anderson, but his mouth could be in the circus the way he got them.
Corso312
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I don't think chael or Diaz deserved shots, the ufc would be the same today whether lesnar was a brief failure or not. I don't care for the bullshit pre fight drama either...I watch for the fight n ignore the manufactured garbage prior.
$ does not mean wise or more revenue does not mean good for the sport ..look at baseball...bud selig let the ugh/ roids become an epidemic on his watch in 2 decades...sure more money but bad for the game n ratings suck now because alot of people got turned off by it after an initial popularity surge.
$ does not mean wise or more revenue does not mean good for the sport ..look at baseball...bud selig let the ugh/ roids become an epidemic on his watch in 2 decades...sure more money but bad for the game n ratings suck now because alot of people got turned off by it after an initial popularity surge.
Padawanbater2
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I disagree, I think Lesnar was a pretty big part of the success the UFC has had, not even current fan favorites can draw the crowds like he did, he was good at it since he did the exact same thing for years in the WWE. Dude was professionally trained to know how to stir shit up.
I do agree with you about the drama, especially in the TUF house, but again, the producers figured out that shit draws crowds.. More people = more money. I love it when the two fighters show ultimate respect for each other before the fight, or especially if they show mutual respect in the cage in the middle of the fight. I've even seen a few fights where the two guys hug each other before they start the 3rd or 5th round because they put on such an awesome show! Or when one guy knows he lost the fight, he'll raise the other guys hand at the end, I love seeing that stuff. It shows character. I think the UFC could be just as successful if they focused on that aspect of it instead of emphasize the drama.
Also, the fighter entrances, I've always hated that. I don't give a fuck what music the guy plays, who he's walking out with, or what he's wearing. I came to see the fight, they should stop showing those. I get the idea behind it, and it is better to see that than another goddamn Budlight or ARMY commercial, but fuck... Those have definitely been getting more and more like the WWE as time goes by.
I meant his presence was good for the sport because it expanded, more people became fans, more people became fighters, the diversity increased and it became recognized as a legitimate sport in the eyes of a lot of opponents before him. 10 years ago, there were grown men who felt it was "modern day gladiators", and other such bullshit.
I do agree with you about the drama, especially in the TUF house, but again, the producers figured out that shit draws crowds.. More people = more money. I love it when the two fighters show ultimate respect for each other before the fight, or especially if they show mutual respect in the cage in the middle of the fight. I've even seen a few fights where the two guys hug each other before they start the 3rd or 5th round because they put on such an awesome show! Or when one guy knows he lost the fight, he'll raise the other guys hand at the end, I love seeing that stuff. It shows character. I think the UFC could be just as successful if they focused on that aspect of it instead of emphasize the drama.
Also, the fighter entrances, I've always hated that. I don't give a fuck what music the guy plays, who he's walking out with, or what he's wearing. I came to see the fight, they should stop showing those. I get the idea behind it, and it is better to see that than another goddamn Budlight or ARMY commercial, but fuck... Those have definitely been getting more and more like the WWE as time goes by.
I meant his presence was good for the sport because it expanded, more people became fans, more people became fighters, the diversity increased and it became recognized as a legitimate sport in the eyes of a lot of opponents before him. 10 years ago, there were grown men who felt it was "modern day gladiators", and other such bullshit.
doowmd
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If it wasn't for Dana fuckn White we would not be talking about this shit today cause he was the one who persuaded the Fertitta's to buy the fuckin bankrupt UFC in the first place! The UFC would've went into the shitter (it already was but would've finished dying a poor miserable death) w/o Dana. That's a known FACT! I have watched interviews where Lorenzo says "Dana talked us into taking a chance on it for 2 million. So if Dana is so bad for the sport then wtf do you have to say about that? Also, on the Lesnar topic:
@ Corso:
How can anyone say w/ a str8 face that the biggest ppv draw IN THE HISTORY OF THE FUCKIN SPORT was anything but good for the sport of MMA?!?!?!?!?! Lesnar was a legit bad motherfucker and got an intestinal disease that cut his mma career short. If he'd went str8 from college wrestling to mma he'd have been one of the all time best hw's ever. But mma wasn't paying much back in the early 2000's so he went for the money: WWE
When it(mma) started paying big money he came on over. But all that doesnt even matter. The point is: If he brought over a million wrestling fans, and a 1/4 of them stayed on as new full time MMA fans, then isnt that a good thing that he exposed and gained that many ppl to the sport? Or would u rather keep it only for the "hardcore" fans?
@ Corso:
How can anyone say w/ a str8 face that the biggest ppv draw IN THE HISTORY OF THE FUCKIN SPORT was anything but good for the sport of MMA?!?!?!?!?! Lesnar was a legit bad motherfucker and got an intestinal disease that cut his mma career short. If he'd went str8 from college wrestling to mma he'd have been one of the all time best hw's ever. But mma wasn't paying much back in the early 2000's so he went for the money: WWE
When it(mma) started paying big money he came on over. But all that doesnt even matter. The point is: If he brought over a million wrestling fans, and a 1/4 of them stayed on as new full time MMA fans, then isnt that a good thing that he exposed and gained that many ppl to the sport? Or would u rather keep it only for the "hardcore" fans?
Corso312
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Speak for yourself, been watching since day one...the rented VHS tapes...with technology. Came more marketability ...like every other sport in the world...I will agree that if lesnar went into mma from college he could gave been great..but he didn't n that is why he couldn't hang with the big boys in ufc ..not because of his intestinal problems(steroid) related probably ..he was used to fake fighting not real hits to the jaw.
Shea_Heights
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^^Seemed to me lesnar could take a punch in the carwin fight you should watch it if u havent. Trust me after u watch it u will change your opinion about lesnars toughness