Throwing in the Towel...

[UncleBuck]

this would be ripe for trolling, but i have tried trolling ZS before and it just doesn't work. dude is untrollable.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

Thanks for trying to help guys, it means a lot. I guess ill let you know how this praying thing works out... it's super weird, but i can't really think of anything else. I just hope i can have just one lucid dream where i can control it, rather than it control me... it's been far too long.

 

[MyPetSkunk]

Thanks for trying to help guys, it means a lot. I guess ill let you know how this praying thing works out... it's super weird, but i can't really think of anything else. I just hope i can have just one lucid dream where i can control it, rather than it control me... it's been far too long.

I would gather that you already know a few of the tricks to maintain lucidity. If you find yourself on the ground, rub the grass/pavement/whatever with your hands. If you are on your feet, spin in circles like a madman. Try to talk to yourself. I find tilting your head upwards also benefits. While looking down can bring on the losing it feeling. To ease flying, get a running start. Don't envision jumping, envision flying. When you do jump, flap them arms one time and leave them by your side. Corny sounding I know, but it works.

Also, if you can sleep on your back, that is the way to go. I personally cannot, and judging by you waking up and looking at your pillow, you probably don't either. I can't count the times my eyes have slid open to see the pillow while fighting to stay in it. Blasphemy!

I too have went through phases of having sub-par lucid dreams. But, all it takes is for you to capture that universe one more time, and it will negate all the miserable ones. Lifestyle changes have drastic effects on lucidity. Sleep patterns, drug use, stopping drug use, and certain diets being the most prevalent I think. I have some other suggestions if more dream control is what you are seeking, but I am not sure if that is the root of this thread.

 

[Heisenberg]

Perhaps when you fail to control your life you lose the privilege of controlling your dreams. You obviously disapprove of your behavior and perhaps confessing to us and to your girl is a way to try to gain a hold over it, which is inadequate. Praying may work so long as your brain perceives it as some measure of control.

The less we feel in control of our own actions the more vulnerable we are to faith aka make-believe. I personally suggest you grab yourself by the balls and take control rather than getting a mouthful of God's load. The struggle you feel is against instinct, which is powerful enough to seem supernatural as it doesn't come from your experience or philosophy, it comes from a part of you that doesn't care about those things.

You could try asking Dr Drew,

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[Flaming Pie]

Get a mouth ful? That is fucking nasty.

It is not inadequate to speak to others about something you think you have a problem with. It is the first step.

Praying is a comfort. It is not blind it is not even worship. It is just acknowledging the problem internally and asking for help. It reinforces your decision.

His INSTINCT is that he is wronging himself and his girlfriend. He is struggling against temptation, which is a life struggle. Not because the temptations are good for him, but because they FEEL good at the moment.

Instant gratification vs Long term gratification.

 

[Flaming Pie]

There are plenty of christians out there who muck up the general image of christianity.

It has been going on since the beginning of time. People quick to condemn others.

Then people who see these "christians" attacking others become over sensitive to anything to do with christianity because they view the people as "blind sheep" or "hateful".

Yes they are blind in a sense and some are very hateful.

But to condemn an entire religion/faith on the actions of these people is just as blind.

 

[Heisenberg]

Get a mouth ful? That is fucking nasty.

I couldn't agree more.

It is not inadequate to speak to others about something you think you have a problem with. It is the first step.

The inadequacy lies in the confession not being enough to make him feel he has a grasp on his situation. I didn't mean to suggest confession has no merit. Unburdening yourself to others often helps tremendously. It is both necessary and insufficient to address the problem.

Praying is a comfort. It is not blind it is not even worship. It is just acknowledging the problem internally and asking for help. It reinforces your decision.

Praying is more than just thinking, it is surrender and appeal to a higher agency predicated on the assumption that a higher agency exists. It is a surface comfort which seems to offer no solid practical advantage, therefore I can not recommend it, though I do not begrudge others if it works for them. Just as I wouldn't instruct others to simply "smile and make yourself happy", yet I wouldn't attack someone if they find smiling through life does the trick.

His INSTINCT is that he is wronging himself and his girlfriend. He is struggling against temptation, which is a life struggle. Not because the temptations are good for him, but because they FEEL good at the moment.

Instant gratification vs Long term gratification.

Instinct gives him the temptation, the struggle comes from his personal narrative, which has developed from knowledge, experience, intellect and compassion, conflicting with instinct. To a person who is used to resolving conflict with logic and pragmatism, I can see how this could feel imposing and extraordinary.

 

[eye exaggerate]

...strife, sounds tough. Maybe it would help to see that 'God' figure as your higher self. Ok, the craziest response I can post is about confession. I know, I know...don't get me started on the reasons not to. The concept is really quite valid. It's not that you're looking to find answers, it's about being able to leave the negative sht with an eternally neutral atmosphere. The 'God' thing will eventually lead you to the 'Mother' thing. She's all around us, makes a person feel less 'small' when they realize that kind of compression.

I should stop here, I'll start to make no sense real soon

 

[Heisenberg]

Giving into temptation, feeling it's anguish and struggling against it's grasp are all part of the process of learning to resist it, IMO. Strong men are tempered.

 

[PuffinRaph]

I'm in law school, but I also study psychology and I have to say, praying is not a bad idea. I'm not implying a miracle is going to happen, but if you cheat your subconscious into think a divine or superior force is going to help you, it will actually solve your problems! Your best bet is not to worry about it so much, try not to be too much stressed out by the time you go to sleep and do your prayer!

 

[Flaming Pie]

Prayer didn't "solve" my problem. I don't believe prayer does that.

Hard work and daily recognition of the problem solves the problem.

 

[Flaming Pie]

Changing my behaviors helped me the most. Avoiding things that made me think about cheating.

But everyone slips and eventually falls back into old patterns and behaviors.

The key is to realize that those behaviors lead you where you ultimately don't want to be.

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

So, i just had a lucid dream... but i couldn't control it, this has been happening for about 6 months now, many aspects about these lucid dreams have been the same. This one started out with me waking up from from my girlfriends bed (as i was taking a nap in it when i fell asleep), i noticed a distinct burning smell, as i looked outside through the window there was a car, and a boat on fire... my girlfriend was beside me and turned and i said look at that, they are on fire, when i turned again they weren't on fire.

I then looked through the window at a peculiar house, part of it was missing... i squatted down to get a better look and as my eyes traveled past the middle divider of the window it was back to normal, that's when i knew i was in a dream.

My girlfriend disappeared, i walked over to the door... but somehow i knew even before i got there that it would be locked, sure enough, it was. I turned around and knew that i wouldn't be able to get out the window either... (as this has been happening for months now) so i sat down cross legged... then all the sudden i appeared outside, and i saw the trees start to burn, a fire bigger than the landscape, and a feeling of dread comparable to my sleep paralysis night terrors.

I knew i was dreaming so i tried to fly into the sky like i usually do, to only come back down, i turned away from the fire and started to try to fly away, but it was more like a really long jump.. i started losing control and moving in circles until i managed to catch onto a tree branch, i didn't know what else to do... i figure, a back flip seems kind of scary from up here... lets just try that, so i did... and i slowly woke up with my eyes open looking at my pillow. The feeling of dread, guilt and fear did not subside for a while after i awoke.

I haven't told anyone about these things, but they have been happening regularly, different signs, different things happening that i can't explain even within this reality (yet nothing supernatural). I am afraid i am going to go to hell, and i think i have been getting extremely minor glimpses of what it is going to be like. I don't know what to do, I'm either going mad, or i need to make a change, or both. I have to stop doing things that go against what i think is right, if i don't, i am terrified that i will suffer for it when i die. I hate thinking like this, but it just won't go away, it keeps staring me in the face, the more time passes the more intense the feelings and reality of it all becomes. The more i try to deny it, the more powerfully it seems to bombard my mind.

I think I'm going to start to pray, though i don't like the bible nor the teachings. These things are really hard for me to say, because they go against everything i stand for, logic, science, evidence, this reality... but it is so persistent that i can't deny it any longer, and i don't really have anyone else to tell this stuff to.

I think I'm just going to try that out for a while, to see if these visions stop, to see if these dreams come to an end. I haven't been the best person lately, cheating on my girlfriend, which is something i know i need to stop doing... though i haven't done it in months and it was only a few times.

I don't know, i guess I'm ready for the ridicule, the scientific hypothesis, the spiritual interpretation, and the theological explanations. I guess I'm just looking for any kind of advice that may be able to help me out with this. The only other things i can think of are to pray for forgiveness to some god, and to try my best to refrain from doing things that i think are wrong... any other advice, thoughts or ideas are more than welcome.

Thanks RIU.

AY UP Zaehet , you need to get your logical head back on and start thinking straight , ive had lucid dreams of floods quite often, that fucks with my head , literally i look out my window and the whole world outside is under water with just the tops of houses and tall things sticking out the top , everything is swelling and swaying just like being out at sea , its truly terrifying , but i remind myself that its a dream and its my brain still firing all kinds of shit around whilst im sleeping .
i highly doubt you are having some kind of religious awakening , i reckon you just got a lot of stress going on thats playing out in your dreams .

 

[Zaehet Strife]

AY UP Zaehet , you need to get your logical head back on and start thinking straight , ive had lucid dreams of floods quite often, that fucks with my head , literally i look out my window and the whole world outside is under water with just the tops of houses and tall things sticking out the top , everything is swelling and swaying just like being out at sea , its truly terrifying , but i remind myself that its a dream and its my brain still firing all kinds of shit around whilst im sleeping .
i highly doubt you are having some kind of religious awakening , i reckon you just got a lot of stress going on thats playing out in your dreams .

Thanks bro, means a lot.

 

[Dalek Supreme]

There was this guy in AA that did not want to worship a God.He humbled himself,
and prayed to his radiator in his room.He is clean,and sober to this day.
Some people have more of this in there brain than others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMzJ0HGgxXM
The ultrascience of 11 dimensional hyperspace makes things beyond our imaginations possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFZ80G4m_7Q
Take what I say,and believe as a sidenote of what makes sense to you(if any of it?).
Hyperspace is a bottomless ocean of energy all around us with no space,or time.
Dreams are more than psychological,but it makes a great portion of the experience
with masking our perception of it.I believe the spark that holds electrons together originate in hyperspace.Energy cannot be created,or destroyed.Our
biochemical brains being linear hiccups in the dream state as our thoughts meld
with the energies that hold no space or time.The duality of the dream state
gets clouded by ones own thoughts,and experiences while interacting with others
on the hyperdimensional level.Even though others are awake while you are sleeping for the hyperdimensional does not use time.I am saying your girlfriend popping
in then out may have been her hyperdimensional mind,or just someone else,but your mind put a mask of a familiar face on it.The mind is powerfull,and I see sleep
paraylisis as a jammed door of dual realities were a concentrated thought on moving just one finger,or simply going back to sleep frees up the jammed door.
I see dreams like a stone thrown in a pond with interacting ripples of other
stone throwers from the hyperabyss.

2:00 "A voice from within"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0WjV6MmCyM
Religion is a mindclasp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkXOwBIRX7Y
I say do right by others,and the stuff of the past learn from,and not be burdened by them.If lucid dreaming affects your waking life then go back to unawake mind when it happens,but keep in mind it can be a valuable tool.

 

[Flaming Pie]

^wut? I had a very hard time reading that. Was it copy pasted?

 

[Dalek Supreme]

^wut? I had a very hard time reading that. Was it copy pasted?

Yes.Sometimes the connection dips as I press submit lossing all data,so I type too notebook.Enjoy the vids...LULZ

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

Thanks bro, means a lot.

its cool man ive been in your position a few times , you have to remember the bible and nearly all other religious scripture is so vague , literally anyone anywhere in the world can pick bits out of it , that they can relate to, and then be tricked into thinking its personal , its kind of like how tarrent readers work , look at the commandments , everyone is guilty of breaking commandments because they were written by humans who knew what humans were guilty of and are very likely to be compelled to indulge in .
i hope you can clear your mind , and sort your problems out man , a heavy indica usually stops me from dreaming to hard .
i often wonder how i would veiw the world if no one had ever mentioned religion to me ever ,and i had lived my life never knowing anything about hell or heaven , i believe id be a much more care free person without alot of fear i feel today .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f49ZkWDwVdc

 

[Flaming Pie]

I don't understand why people are so opposed to religion.

It is not a negative thing unless PEOPLE use it for negative things.

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

I don't understand why people are so opposed to religion.

It is not a negative thing unless PEOPLE use it for negative things.

are you fucking kidding ? EVERYTHING about religion is negative , according to like yourself , you are BORN with SIN , but hey whats fuckin negative about that , QUIT nit picking little bits of religion you like and take a look at it as a whole.