Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Genetically Engineered Cannabis yes or no?

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Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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Figong said:
The irony of information showing Monsanto/GE projects failing... on page 187.. not so coincidental?
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it's not ironic at all, i stated way back in the early days of this brobdingnangian monstrosity that GM crops have not fulfilled their promise generally, except for the BT cotton, which has kicked the boll wevil in the nuts and saved many indian smallholders and family farms from ruin, and a few drought and virus resistant varieties of grains which deliver decent yields in places where ordinary cultivars just wither and die.

on a commercial scale GM crops have mainly been a benefit to the producers of GM seeds, not the people who believed the hype and bought them.

unfortunately for DNAprotection and his minions, they are not agruing that GMO's are a bad investment for farmers,, they have been arguing the ridiculous, nay RIDONKULOUS propositions that GMO's are toxic, dangerous, carcinogenic, mysteriously powerful and able to kill bees when the crop in question has no attraction for or relationship with bees, or that GMO's are a super secret plot to destroy home growers of dope and garden vegetables.

i could prove that GMO's are a bad investment for most farmers with simple math, but thye didnt want to talk about that, they wanted to predict doomsday scenarios and make crazy claims.

heres the real farming fact, unless your tilling half a million acres with top of the line mechanized farming equipment, and planning to grow government subsidized commodity crops,, GMO's dont deliver yields that exceed their costs. an extra 2 bushels an acre from a GMO doesnt beat the costs of the seedstock unless your banging out hundreds of thousands of bushels with super low expenses for tillage, irrigation and harvest, basically what the media calls "Factory Farms". GMO's only work in economies of scale.

all the other claims about destroying the native genetic diversity (domestic crops have no native analogs to contaminate with their dirty genes) being toxic (USDA Choice Bullshit) causing cancer (Grade AAA Premium Bullshit) or that they require pesticides or special fertilizers to grow (Dude... Really?) are 100% garbage.

this is a forum full of dope growers, i cant believe how many people fell for this crap based on the title and the scary bullshit about "GMO Dope" but when you start claiming that GMO's require special nutrients and pesticides,, these potheads should have shown those clowns the door.

In reality, if i offered seeds for cannabis that were guaranteed 100% female, every fucking time, were highly resistant to powdery mildew, immune to spider mites, or got you 30% higher when you smoked it, i wouldnt be able to keep the stoners off my shit.

EVEN IF IT WAS GMO'ed LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER
 
Doer

Doer

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Dr Kynes said:
they make a venom much like snakes, you can eat em, venom and all.

gila monsters are a freaky dare food in northern mexico and southern texas. they arent poisonous, they are venomous.
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We had this thing in Texas called the Horned Toad. It's isn't a myth. They will spurt blood at you from their eye sockets.
Check your tea shirt, Dude!
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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DNAprotection said:
Supreme Court Appears to Defend Patent on Soybean...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/bu...case.html?_r=0

Oral Arguments in Bowman v. Monsanto - Patent Law Blog (Patently-O)
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more mindless derp fromn the prince of the herp a derps.

opposition to patent and copyright law is quite common among those who know they will never hold a patent or copyright.

but they want.

want want want.

all the things they desire should be free for them to take, based on their want.

and they get childishly butthurt if the developers of those things want to get paid for their work.
 
Doer

Doer

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Harrekin said:
They patented a "computer programme code" of sorts they created.

Microsoft would sue you if you were profiting off pirated Microsoft Office...
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Looky t'chere, Ma! They trin' to say thars a difference with program code and dna code....That's just not true, is it?
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Doer said:
Looky t'chere, Ma! They trin' to say thars a difference with program code and dna code....That's just not true, is it?
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Can you tell me a difference between the two except one is organic (in the scientific, non-hippy sense) and one is inorganic?
 
Doer

Doer

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There ain't none, I tell you what! Oh, wait, Ma just told me there is a slight difference. We can't program DNA.

We can only, nip/tuck. It's what we call porting, not programming. You port Solaris code to Linux, if you can. You port early software releases to to new hardware.

That's exactly what DNA re-combining is and no more. It's a port of written code to new hardware.

The main thing is we can't even code "hello world" with DNA.

That would be so cool. A red frog with black letters. Hello World!
 
Figong

Figong

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Doer said:
There ain't none, I tell you what! Oh, wait, Ma just told me there is a slight difference. We can't program DNA.

We can only, nip/tuck. It's what we call porting, not programming. You port Solaris code to Linux, if you can. You port early software releases to to new hardware.

That's exactly what DNA re-combining is and no more. It's a port of written code to new hardware.

The main thing is we can't even code "hello world" with DNA.

That would be so cool. A red frog with black letters. Hello World!
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Not entirely accurate, you can re-program DNA with a virus if it's constructed to do so.
 
Doer

Doer

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Figong said:
Not entirely accurate, you can re-program DNA with a virus if it's constructed to do so.
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No, that's porting. The virus is just like a virus in a computer system. You port to the virus dna, with what you are going to nip/tuck. Then the virus does the nip/tuck port.

We cannot write DNA code.
 
Figong

Figong

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Doer said:
No, that's porting. The virus is just like a virus in a computer system. You port to the virus dna, with what you are going to nip/tuck. Then the virus does the nip/tuck port.

We cannot write DNA code.
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I see what you're saying.. was just thinking it's more of a re-programming.. especially in the sense of "Someone has disease X that affects every cell in their body.. the virus introduced removes it with deletion or substitution, then re-addition" - guess it's more perspective-based from my side that's the difference.. although how it works and the end result are the same.
 
Doer

Doer

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Well, that's right. These are techie, geek details. So, let's give a real world example.

To write code against a human hardware platform, you have to understand the human code. We don't. We decoded the genome but found another one. We found sitting on top of this DNA code is another code, called the epi-genome.

It seems to be written with methy- radials of the proteins that maybe function as the on/off switches. Those create the differences in humans, much much more than the relatively identical DNA sequences. And beyond that we know very little.

You know that programming at first takes vast, dumb hardware and gets it to do anything at all....Like print "hello world."

So, to actually re-write human DNA we could start with a Hello World that can change a subjects eye color from blue to green and back to blue without any harm.

We are no where near even understanding how to being that effort.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Doer said:
Well, that's right. These are techie, geek details. So, let's give a real world example.

To write code against a human hardware platform, you have to understand the human code. We don't. We decoded the genome but found another one. We found sitting on top of this DNA code is another code, called the epi-genome.

It seems to be written with methy- radials of the proteins that maybe function as the on/off switches. Those create the differences in humans, much much more than the relatively identical DNA sequences. And beyond that we know very little.

You know that programming at first takes vast, dumb hardware and gets it to do anything at all....Like print "hello world."

So, to actually re-write human DNA we could start with a Hello World that can change a subjects eye color from blue to green and back to blue without any harm.

We are no where near even understanding how to being that effort.
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MS-DOS was shit, but its turned into Windows 8 now...you gotta type the code to learn it ;)
 
Doer

Doer

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Harrekin said:
Harvard Scientists Encode Entire Book onto DNA:
http://www.zdnet.com/harvard-scientists-encode-an-entire-book-onto-dna-7000002879/

DNA stores poems, a photo and a speech:
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/347702/description/DNA_stores_poems_a_photo_and_a_speech
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Nice try...but this is paint your wagon, stuff. Electron gun, witting on the head of a pin, type efforts.


Using dna to encode human patterns of language is NOT the same as coding DNA to change human attributes.

DNA strands seem to be the best chance for detecting dark matter. I posted that in the Science.

Messing with DNA is not the same as messing with organisms with DNA.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Doer said:
Nice try...but this is paint your wagon, stuff. Electron gun, witting on the head of a pin, type efforts.


Using dna to encode human patterns of language is NOT the same as coding DNA to change human attributes.

DNA strands seem to be the best chance for detecting dark matter. I posted that in the Science.

Messing with DNA is not the same as messing with organisms with DNA.
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http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/05/scientists-create-first-self-replicating-synthetic-life/

EDIT: And a link from the same article about how he "watermarked" his synthetic creation.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/01/venter-institut/

Im not gonna be able to keep up much longer, just picked up some BOMB "medicinals" ;)
 
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