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jamesvagabond

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Trichy Bastard said:
It's worth mentioning again that the bios tend to have 1 or 2 out of every ten that are duds (they will exchange them for free however), and the rest have mostly imperfect spray patterns when compared to eachother. However, fret not-they still grow the best roots with their droplet size, spray pattern, and excellent throw. Every person using the red cloudtops and other similar nozzles have all had the same issue of the roots making a large ball that eventually chokes itself off, whereas the bios seem to make longer flowing roots that go to the bottom of the chamber and then climb up the walls, filling the chambers in a nice even spread out manner.
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Could you explain the difference between the red cloudtops and the bios nozzles? I wonder what makes them produce different types of root growth? I am not looking at plastic nozzles but it is still useful info for sure, thanks.
 
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Aeropuff

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nuggly said:
Hey TB,
I had a question about the biocontrols, do you use any sort on check valve for drip control? I'm looking at some inpingment style nozzle similar to the biocontrols but I would need a solenoid for each nozzle. I have 6 totes in my tent and lots of poly tubing. the runoof after a spray cycle can be substantial.

nuggly
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Hey man

found this on ebay thought you might me interested...its a SS 1/4 impingement nozzle similar to the +$40 BETE PJ nozzle...going for $9 each...

link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRUE-AEROPONIC-NOZZLES-STAINLESS-YOU-WILL-NEVER-BUY-ANOTHER-ONE-/160977508648?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item257b01d928

Sorry if this has been posted already but I haven't seen them on ebay before. if you got one of those plastic 1/4 solenoid valves it would be a perfect match...
 
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jamesvagabond

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Aeropuff said:
Hey man

found this on ebay thought you might me interested...its a SS 1/4 impingement nozzle similar to the +$40 BETE PJ nozzle...going for $9 each...

link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRUE-AEROPONIC-NOZZLES-STAINLESS-YOU-WILL-NEVER-BUY-ANOTHER-ONE-/160977508648?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item257b01d928

Sorry if this has been posted already but I haven't seen them on ebay before. if you got one of those plastic 1/4 solenoid valves it would be a perfect match...
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I am really interested to see if anyone has experience with these. For the price it can't be beat for SS, I wonder what could be the issue? I assume it is hydraulic pressure only...
 
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oxanaca

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your awesome dude. impingement nozzles are so simple. TB claims the 0.016" "orifice size" biocontrol nozzle is the only hydraulic nozzle that has been proven to work
this converts to 0.4 mm.
on the ebay listing on the spread sheet there is a variant that has a 0.381mm orfice, im going to order one and see what gives
hopefully they send the nozzles there rating is a little jankier than im use to seeing in an ebay seller
Aeropuff said:
Hey man

found this on ebay thought you might me interested...its a SS 1/4 impingement nozzle similar to the +$40 BETE PJ nozzle...going for $9 each...

link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRUE-AEROPONIC-NOZZLES-STAINLESS-YOU-WILL-NEVER-BUY-ANOTHER-ONE-/160977508648?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item257b01d928

Sorry if this has been posted already but I haven't seen them on ebay before. if you got one of those plastic 1/4 solenoid valves it would be a perfect match...
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oxanaca

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the issue is they are made in asia. they dont have quality control like bete, and you cant call them up and ask them very specific questions like you could bete.
i dont think that should be a problem though as this is old school tech. its a hole and a pin.

jamesvagabond said:
I am really interested to see if anyone has experience with these. For the price it can't be beat for SS, I wonder what could be the issue? I assume it is hydraulic pressure only...
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Aeropuff

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oxanaca said:
the issue is they are made in asia. they dont have quality control like bete, and you cant call them up and ask them very specific questions like you could bete.
i dont think that should be a problem though as this is old school tech. its a hole and a pin.
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I have been very suspicious about all these US and EU companies lately ...they all just want to maximize profit...so these nozzles might actually be from the same factory that the BETE PJ nozzles are made in, you never know. Today everything is made China, I wouldn't be surprised if BETE manufactures these in a factory in China under the same quality control as the Alibaba ones. Just because BETE is a well established company with a brand name they can raise their margin and sell them for more $$...but maybe im just a skeptic hehe

Anyway I will be ordering some to try out, but since I live in the middle of nowhere in central eastern europe it might take some time to get them and test them. :D

Peace
 
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thump easy

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i love your guys style i got to compare with mine i gota see your flowers please im intrested i would love to see your flowers for shure????
 
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Aeropuff

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oxanaca said:
or if your not cool with paying $9, check this out they will drill any size orfice you want, and only US $0.5 - 0.6 with a 10 piece minimum order

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/231434493/Impingement_misting_nozzle.html
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Take into consideration that the price given is an Incoterm price, FOB 0.5 to 0.6 US $. This means that they will deliver the goods FOB which means FREE ON BOARD, meaning the price includes delivery to a ship (and loading on the ship) at a named port, and in this case the port is Shenzhen. So you will be responsible for any freight, insurance, loading and unloading cost from that point onward. You MAY also have to pay import agent fees, customs etc...so by the time you get your 10 pieces to the US or EU the price will be much higher hehe so it might not be worth the hassle and just be better order from the ebay seller...if you look at his photo on his ebay site it is the same photo from one of the alibaba listings. He probably just orders large volumes as mentioned above and then sells them individually on ebay...I doubt he manufactures them locally.

I apologize for going off topic. Im done now :)
 
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Aeropuff

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jamesvagabond said:
I am really interested to see if anyone has experience with these. For the price it can't be beat for SS, I wonder what could be the issue? I assume it is hydraulic pressure only...
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I believe your assumption is correct, hydraulic only, but that's a good thing for us non-air assisted HP Aero folks ;)

The only thing is that a while back (few years ago) I PM'd Atomizer about the PJ impingement nozzles by Bete and he wasn't really fond of them, cant remember was it because of the +$40 price, or the angle of the spray, or the clogging issues due to the extremely small orifice diameter...but hes wasn't really into them. Which disappointed me a bit because I thought I found the holy grail for 80-100psi hydraulic nozzle...wish he could chime in and let us know his thoughts...

Anyway I believe they would be ok as long as you had enough of them, and a large enough chamber for the mist to spread out nicely But I guess we will just have to test them and see the results!
 
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Mike Young

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I also remember Atomizer saying that the bete's weren't ideal. I thought it because they were designed to run at much higher pressures. In the video on their website, the pj is being hit with 850 psi, and the mist looks like it came from an air atomized nozzle. At 100 psi, I'm sure it's not all that great. Worth a try @ $9 though.
 
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Aeropuff

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Mike Young said:
I also remember Atomizer saying that the bete's weren't ideal. I thought it because they were designed to run at much higher pressures. In the video on their website, the pj is being hit with 850 psi, and the mist looks like it came from an air atomized nozzle. At 100 psi, I'm sure it's not all that great. Worth a try @ $9 though.
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yeah that could be it. Its kind of weird tho...the video on BETEs site show them blasting at 850psi and right above it it says "Spray angles: 90°. For best 90° pattern, operate nozzle at or above 60 psi (4 bar)"

And in the Open Performance Data Table PDF it gives you data from 30psi to 400psi

Link: http://www.bete.com/products/pj.html

So I guess they have a wide pressure range...
 
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Mike Young

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I'm not saying they wouldn't work. It's strange that they'd show their video running 850 psi, more than double of what the spec sheet reads. Even if 400 was max, and 30 min, the middle of the road would be 200+ Those orifice diameters are way smaller than what I've seen/heard to be successful.
 
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Aeropuff

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Mike Young said:
I'm not saying they wouldn't work. It's strange that they'd show their video running 850 psi, more than double of what the spec sheet reads. Even if 400 was max, and 30 min, the middle of the road would be 200+ Those orifice diameters are way smaller than what I've seen/heard to be successful.
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Whats the downside of such a small orifice? Clogging issues or something else?
 
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Mike Young

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Actually, taking another look at the spec sheet, it looks like they have some with larger orifices' but the flow rates get up there pretty quick.

Bio .016" = 1.125 gph
Bio .025" = 2.25 gph

Bete .015" = 3.54 gph
Bete .024" = 9.6 gph

To get similar throughput as the bio's you'd have to run the .008" - .012" PJ's. Personally, I would just go with the bio's. I know I've slammed them in the past, but I also never traded my shitty ones back to them.
 
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nuggly

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I'm going to order some of the PJ nozzles but the cheap ones from China to test. I dont under stand how two nozzles with the same size passage can have such different flow rates. The Stainless ones would be really nice if they work out.

nuggly
 
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oxanaca

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what pressures are those flow rates at

Mike Young said:
Actually, taking another look at the spec sheet, it looks like they have some with larger orifices' but the flow rates get up there pretty quick.

Bio .016" = 1.125 gph
Bio .025" = 2.25 gph

Bete .015" = 3.54 gph
Bete .024" = 9.6 gph

To get similar throughput as the bio's you'd have to run the .008" - .012" PJ's. Personally, I would just go with the bio's. I know I've slammed them in the past, but I also never traded my shitty ones back to them.
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