how marijuana should be legalised: taxing of grow related electricity

Figong

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You're mostly insane for proposing power rate increases - Michigan has seen 8 increases in less than 1 year (for the SE Michigan DTE coverage area, anyway) and with no lights on and their rate hikes, it's already high enough and looks like I'm running 4 600s and other gear.
 

Figong

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It's legal to grow nightshade why not marijuana?
Great plan! Hemlock, Angel's Trumpet, and Aconite Root hydro sounds like a fun time.

Edit: Except for the bronchoconstriction and the fatal cardiac rhythmic disturbances part
 

sine143

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You're mostly insane for proposing power rate increases - Michigan has seen 8 increases in less than 1 year (for the SE Michigan DTE coverage area, anyway) and with no lights on and their rate hikes, it's already high enough and looks like I'm running 4 600s and other gear.

true power rate would increase, but you'd also have a licensed electrician come install a badass power setup, and power rate would only increase for GROW SPECIFIC needs. hell in michigan I think i saw you have about 26k caregiver licenses to give out now that dispensaries are on the outs. 26k people paying a hefty increase in that state could really speed things up in the renewable energy field, and you *might* be able to see your house elec bill decrease by orders of magnitude over a 5 year period. elec companies may even be able to offer statewide rate cuts to EVERYONE based on the revenue generated by the additional charges.
 

match box

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I think having an electician check out you wireing is a good idea. Thats all though. Wa. is going to be testing what they sale in stores to make sure it's safe. There have been a couple of house fires here like 3 or 4 in the last few months. I had an electrician run new wire and put brakers in my panel so I don't burn my house down.
 

Figong

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true power rate would increase, but you'd also have a licensed electrician come install a badass power setup, and power rate would only increase for GROW SPECIFIC needs. hell in michigan I think i saw you have about 26k caregiver licenses to give out now that dispensaries are on the outs. 26k people paying a hefty increase in that state could really speed things up in the renewable energy field, and you *might* be able to see your house elec bill decrease by orders of magnitude over a 5 year period. elec companies may even be able to offer statewide rate cuts to EVERYONE based on the revenue generated by the additional charges.
Caregiver licenses are restricted now? Is that something new? I thought the only requirements for legality of it were age of 21+, agreeing to assist with patients use of marijuana, and no felony conviction with illegal drugs... That said, I could see how it may drop it, but with the additional charges.. I could also see that leading to just more power theft, and deaths of people trying to steal power. The list of deaths in Detroit alone for power stolen to simply stay warm is scary, growing mass plants to me would just point to potentially more of the same, as sad as it is.
 

sine143

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as outlined in OP, these restrictions, plus the heavy increase in elec rate, will seperate the best from the rest. IMO, if you are trying to make a living doing something, you better be damn near the best (dont have to be THE best, but you gotta be able to sit down with the person who is the best and match em bowl for bowl without them leaving the table). the people stealing power will have forfeited their right to *legally* grow, as they wont be conforming to the legal outlines, thus removing them from the new, competitive *legal* scene. I dont think people who are stealing power are going to be able to hack it when put up against the *best* growers who have their scene dialed. I'm not that informed on the Michigan scene. Just saw people bitching on other parts of the forum, if i've spread misinformation I'd like someone to post the correct info on the state of affairs in michigan, and I'll edit my post.
 

slowbus

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true power rate would increase, but you'd also have a licensed electrician come install a badass power setup, and power rate would only increase for grow specific needs. Hell in michigan i think i saw you have about 26k caregiver licenses to give out now that dispensaries are on the outs. 26k people paying a hefty increase in that state could really speed things up in the renewable energy field, and you *might* be able to see your house elec bill decrease by orders of magnitude over a 5 year period. Elec companies may even be able to offer statewide rate cuts to everyone based on the revenue generated by the additional charges.

bullshit !!!!!!
 

Fungus Gnat

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Great plan! Hemlock, Angel's Trumpet, and Aconite Root hydro sounds like a fun time.

Edit: Except for the bronchoconstriction and the fatal cardiac rhythmic disturbances part
It was used for people with heart problems medicinally, in small amounts. My example was that something that is far more lethal is legal to grow, no permits. Should people get locked up for St John's wort?
 

sine143

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look, I dont think anyone gets locked up because weed is bad mmkay? like I said, 4.4k a p means SOMEONE is making a buttload of cash, and it aint uncle sam in this case, and lets just say he's pissed, and has been lashing out at anyone and everyone for the last 40 years.
 

Figong

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It was used for people with heart problems medicinally, in small amounts. My example was that something that is far more lethal is legal to grow, no permits. Should people get locked up for St John's wort?
I wasn't mocking your statement, by any means.. if my reply was misworded at all - aconite root in the proper amount in tea is good as an extremely heavy sedative, as long as it's done properly and by someone that's been doing it many many years. I was just thinking about the market for such things en masse.. is why I said genius idea initially.. followed by the inevitable of people trying to cut corners and make the mixes themselves, only to end up dead (with the added commentary) as an afterthought.
 

patrickkawi37

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i am paying 1500 a month for 5k watts plus ac and dehumidifiers. how much more do you think i should be taxed? this a madness theory. obviously you havent grown indoor enough to see that unless you do real well, you usually break even. the margin has been thinned. the only people making money are the select few with a green thumb. at least in california.. i can go through my phone and i have at least ten people in there that struggle run to run to make it. doesnt sound like the baller life everyone thinks it is.
 

sine143

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i am paying 1500 a month for 5k watts plus ac and dehumidifiers. how much more do you think i should be taxed? this a madness theory. obviously you havent grown indoor enough to see that unless you do real well, you usually break even. the margin has been thinned. the only people making money are the select few with a green thumb. at least in california.. i can go through my phone and i have at least ten people in there that struggle run to run to make it. doesnt sound like the baller life everyone thinks it is.
i'm not talking about cali. of course its hard, you guys have been shaping the industry for over 15 years! that is most definitely not the norm for the US today. with 5k watts, you pull what, at least 3 bows a month after properly setting up your cycle? 1500 a month doesnt sound bad for 3 lbs to me. I understand that there is a SHIT ton of labor involved. but this ties into the idea that if you're IN it, it wont matter to you because its your passion, and you're damn good at it. I currently run 1800 watts, and pay about $5 less than I did prior to *optimizing* my house. esp since its winter and I can cool everything with filtered outdoor air.
 

slowbus

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i am paying 1500 a month for 5k watts plus ac and dehumidifiers. how much more do you think i should be taxed? this a madness theory. obviously you havent grown indoor enough to see that unless you do real well, you usually break even. the margin has been thinned. the only people making money are the select few with a green thumb. at least in california.. i can go through my phone and i have at least ten people in there that struggle run to run to make it. doesnt sound like the baller life everyone thinks it is.

AMEN brother AFUCKINMEN
 

slowbus

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i'm not talking about cali. of course its hard, you guys have been shaping the industry for over 15 years! that is most definitely not the norm for the US today. with 5k watts, you pull what, at least 3 bows a month after properly setting up your cycle? 1500 a month doesnt sound bad for 3 lbs to me. I understand that there is a SHIT ton of labor involved. but this ties into the idea that if you're IN it, it wont matter to you because its your passion, and you're damn good at it. I currently run 1800 watts, and pay about $5 less than I did prior to *optimizing* my house. esp since its winter and I can cool everything with filtered outdoor air.

fuck dude give it a rest.You will kill off the rest of us punks just trying to survive.We need the gov out of our private homes.Fuck them and you
 

patrickkawi37

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i'm not talking about cali. of course its hard, you guys have been shaping the industry for over 15 years! that is most definitely not the norm for the US today. with 5k watts, you pull what, at least 3 bows a month after properly setting up your cycle? 1500 a month doesnt sound bad for 3 lbs to me. I understand that there is a SHIT ton of labor involved. but this ties into the idea that if you're IN it, it wont matter to you because its your passion, and you're damn good at it. I currently run 1800 watts, and pay about $5 less than I did prior to *optimizing* my house. esp since its winter and I can cool everything with filtered outdoor air.
HAHA lets not worry about what i pull. some people are good at there jobs, cant directly hate on them because of this. but i will tell you this much. if my runs are on point meaning no down time... i have to get 4 pounds a harvest to pay my bills. thats alot to worry about considering there are factors that will wipe you out in days, not to mention, if law enforcement came through i am risking them taking it all leaving me -10gs. id imagine im paying somewhere around 30 cents a kilowatt hour for tier 3 plus fees. this is highway robbery. lol at optimizing your house... i only run my tv and a 13w cfl during the day. i dont even use the microwave after the tier 3 time has kicked in. i hang dry my clothes. i am the ultimate tight wad about saving money on electricity and im getting fucked. anyways, i can sit here and tell you this shit til im blue in the face... just like the guy that taught me told me. but the reality is... everyone thinks pot growers are rich until they are one themselves.
 

sine143

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HAHA lets not worry about what i pull. some people are good at there jobs, cant directly hate on them because of this. but i will tell you this much. if my runs are on point meaning no down time... i have to get 4 pounds a harvest to pay my bills. thats alot to worry about considering there are factors that will wipe you out in days, not to mention, if law enforcement came through i am risking them taking it all leaving me -10gs. id imagine im paying somewhere around 30 cents a kilowatt hour for tier 3 plus fees. this is highway robbery. lol at optimizing your house... i only run my tv and a 13w cfl during the day. i dont even use the microwave after the tier 3 time has kicked in. i hang dry my clothes. i am the ultimate tight wad about saving money on electricity and im getting fucked. anyways, i can sit here and tell you this shit til im blue in the face... just like the guy that taught me told me. but the reality is... everyone thinks pot growers are rich until they are one themselves.
let me get this straight, i'm not trying to knock you dude. I bounce off 3 dollars to my name EVERY month. talk about tight. If you're good at your job, and you believe its your life calling, you should consider moving. it would be hard, but no harder than getting fucked by the power company every month as is.

Would I be happy about paying the extra tax myself? fuck no. do I think it would be the fair way to do it? yes, but every state, fuck, every county would probably have different rates and regulations, somewhat modelled after how retarded the elec companies have gotten with their rates already. And as I said, over time, rates for EVERYONES homes should drop with the potential multiple millions of dollars getting dumped right into making power cheaper and cleaner in your area due to the taxes you have to pay. again, perfect world blah blah, but seriously, the govt can really do whatever they want until we pick up arms against them in revolution, so its time to start looking for the best possible solutions to make this work for everyone.

fuck dude give it a rest.You will kill off the rest of us punks just trying to survive.We need the gov out of our private homes.Fuck them and you
If you're not down with the tax, stay illegal, I'm not gonna knock it (cause thats where I am now), and hell, once people make the change, you should be able to enjoy selling your product at a slightly increased rate in comparison to pre reform, as everyone who is *legally* growing will be paying much more for power. and seriously, lighten up and toke up. you act like i'm fucking drafting a piece of legislature as we type and baracks peaking over my shoulder with his stamp of approval inked up. I am ALL FOR keeping gov't out of our homes, however, I just dont see anyway to end this wave of IMO unjust arrests and deaths for fucking weed, other than to offer some time of incentive to STOP the madness.

side note, yeah power companies are getting out of hand. someone needs to do something. millions of dollars in tax money from *somewhere* would probably help.
 

patrickkawi37

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first you say electric should cost dollars per kilo hour and now you say i should move because my electric rates are ridiculous? i am complaining about my power bill yes.. but as i said, im good at my job, and i can pay it and still be comfortable. if not, i would be getting the care discount for the broke folks. the margins have been set, we dont need regulation. the price of a pack in cali controls the growing population just fine.

you say your electric is cheap, so im going to take that as your not in cali. meaning prices of packs are up, while prices of electricity is down. this makes your profit margin a whole hell of alot higher than the guy in california. so really, id appreciate it if you just stop talking cause you have no idea what your talking about.
 

blacksun

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This electricians install a new meter in or around the grow space, limited to a set amperage (which hell, could be as many as 100 amps). this electricity is HIGHLY taxed. instead of .11 cents a kwh, i'm talking like, 2 bucks a kwh (or more, depending on how things go you know).


Um, fuck that, if that ever happened I would just continue to not tell them that I grow.
 
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